Newbie 1382 (Game Over)

[pitoli]

Notquitethere, I answered it in #130. Now are you just skimming the thread or what?

[Fear the poster]

Fear/Xiao analysis: Game starts on 25th. Fear comes in aggressive and leaderly, Xiao immediately makes excuses for not posting. Despite the claim that HE_(sorry) won't remember to post, he's close behind Fear overall for posting leader: 38/31 as of this post, I believe.

I vote Xiao for posting without content or opinion. Fear jumps to Xiao's defense, saying "I don't think newbie scum would do that". Interestingly Xiao doesn't correct Fear on the 'newbie' card despite today's offense - in fact Xiao doesn't really talk to Fear at all. No thanks, no suspicion at the defense... instead we get a very neutral

"You're a weird dude, Fear. I suppose you'll make this game interesting, though."

Fear's next several posts to Xiao are borderline coaching. "Show me how you think" Post moar, basically. Granted Town!Fear would probably say the same thing here, but he takes a more confrontational pose with others of minimal content than Xiao (lortaku, rmpeacoc, pitoli, nqt).

Post 55, Xiao reiterates the null read on Fear. Xiao isn't this wishy-washy on anybody else, or if they are, they're just not saying anything about them.

Post 83 on the other hand, Xiao seems to be saying that Fear might be calling him (Xiao) Town because he (Fear) is scum. Very confusing sentence, but the only other way to read it is that Xiao is saying that Xiao's defiance is a scum tactic, and I'm not willing to buy that.


...which catches us up to where my gut went bonkers. Questions?

I really hope our lesser posters get to posting soon. We're almost halfway through Day One.

So, Flay, do you genuinely believe that Xiao/I are a scum team? Your argument is that we've been the most active players (lol wat?) and that I had an early town read on him which he had no idea how to deal with. 1) none of those arguments make sense and 2) there is no suggestion of us being scum in that. Just that you are concerned about our interactions. Yet you somehow talk about my level of contribution and how Jerrbear/lorkatu haven't contributed at all. Why do you assume that both scum are hiding in the most active posters rather than those who don't have any content?

Lork/Jerr you both vanished as soon as people started questioning you. This makes me unhappy. When I'm unhappy I lynch people. Come back.

rmpea/Xiao I could not be more bored by your TvT. You were both rude, now get over it and hunt scum instead of being mad at each other.

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 1.8

Xiao Long (3)

: notquitethere, Mr. Flay, rmpeacoc

JerryArr (2)

: Fear the poster, jon_h61

rmpeacoc (2)

: Xiao Long, lortaku

lortaku (1)

: pitoli

No Vote (1)

: JerryArr

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

The deadline is Saturday, June 8, at 4:00 PM CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-06-08 16:00:00).

[Xiao Long]

I'm the only player who isn't content with this lynch so either I am scum with Xiao or Xiao is town.

Not true. I could very well believe you being scum and setting up a situation here where you can say 'I told you so!' after town is lynched-- a classic scum tactic.

Which would mean I'm town, yet you have your vote on me and still claim I'm the scummiest in the game.

I think Xiao is behaving rude and uncooperatively, and is ballooning perfectly innocent things you've said into issues which simply aren't there. Reads at the bottom of the post.

Oh look, hopping to her defense. Excellent scum strategy.

Xiao Long
- Beligerent, uncooperative, refuses to engage with simplest of questions, plays Call of Duty, said he'd be willing to lynch peacock even if she's town

Well, colour me underwhelmed, after days of contentless postings this is all you can give me for why I'm scum? That I'm rude and I play CoD? And refuse to engage in the simplest questions? You mean refuse to engage in your fluff? With the time you've had, I could have made an excellent case for why I'm scum. You're not even trying, you're just staying on the wagon you think is most likely to take off. And we're supposed to believe you're town?

[lortaku]

Missed the question in 106. I'd say the lurker would be more suspicious, since mislynches happen very often, and people can get the wrong idea.

Know I'm probably digging my own grave here =\
Also, I'm not currently taking my finals, but I'm preparing for them. My school is all whack and the schedule is weird. I have more free time this upcoming week, so I can try to be more active.

UNVOTE:

I was voting based on a hunch, since it's both unlikely to be true, and everyone else seems to think rmp is town, I'll unvote.
As for everyone else, the game hasn't gone long enough for me to make any proper reads.

I feel that Xiao and rmp are both Town at this point, since they seem pretty town, and rmp being upset seems pretty genuine.

I'd say that one of the people who are currently voting for Xiao is probably scum, since it's the largest bandwagon at this point, and it hasn't really changed much throughout the day.

[pitoli]

Lortaku, are you capable of independent thought or are you always this conspicuous when sheeping? -___-

[JerryArr]

A questions for all. Please answer as I think you might all actually agree with me and no one is saying anything.

Do you consider someone saying that they are town a 'claim'?

In this game, no. There's only two factions in this game, and claiming scum is outright dumb, so I don't believe anyone would claim anything other than town.

How do you feel about this exchange between Xiao and I?

I think Xiao was too harsh to you, and I don't blame you for not wanting to deal with the game for a day.

@Jerry Can we get more SPECIFICS as to why you think I'm scum.

I thought you were scummy because you did something that, in my mind, was scummy, specifically, the alleged contradiction. I apologize if I did or said something that implied you were dumb or anything like that.

(I met an Olympic Gold Medalist and got to hold her metal!!!)

Nice!

Jerry

Your reticence to vote is starting to smack of scummish reticence to commit. Remember what I said-- the lynch is town's weapon to hunt scum.

Understood. My apprehension to vote stems from me not wanting to screw up after voting Xiao and putting him at L-1 earlier.

JerryArr
[...]
- In favour of a day one no lynch.

On a site where every other player no lynches, almost through tradition, with a bunch of power roles, sure. Here, no way. I do not want a no lynch here on day 1.

[Xiao Long]

Jerry, putting me at L-1 wasn't a screw up. Putting someone at L-1 is only really a screw up in Lylo. If someone were to hammer me carelessly on D1, that would cast a lot of suspicion onto themselves. Don't worry about putting people at L-1 today, place your vote where you think it should go.

[pitoli]

Jerry, putting me at L-1 wasn't a screw up. Putting someone at L-1 is only really a screw up in Lylo. If someone were to hammer me carelessly on D1, that would cast a lot of suspicion onto themselves. Don't worry about putting people at L-1 today, place your vote where you think it should go.

I still think you should be careful with the L-1 votes. Sometimes it happens on Day 1 that wagons build really quickly and then die after a claim... If this happens enough times it can be good for scum.

[Fear the poster]

I'm watching my stories right now and I'd like to hear more from Flay, jerr, quite and Lork before I come back. Those are the four players I am interested in lynching/think might be scum.

I strongly oppose a lynch outside of those players. Except for Jon. I only weakly oppose a lynch on him.

Everyone: I'd like your comments on the above players and which you think we should lynch, which you think we should not consider and which are stupid.

[pitoli]

It looks like your lynch candidates are the half of town with less posts lol.

Lortaku falls behind the "I'm just a newbie" wall too often for it to feel genuine. I'd like for more people to help me pressure him but not sure if I can commit to lynching him yet.

Read on Jon has lessened to a null at best.

I don't get what you see in Xiao. His attitude isn't that helpful and despite his number of posts, I feel his desire to scum hunt is lacking.

[Xiao Long]

I'm watching my stories right now and I'd like to hear more from Flay, jerr, quite and Lork before I come back. Those are the four players I am interested in lynching/think might be scum.

I strongly oppose a lynch outside of those players. Except for Jon. I only weakly oppose a lynch on him.

Everyone: I'd like your comments on the above players and which you think we should lynch, which you think we should not consider and which are stupid.

With the information we have now, my choice in lynch order would be:
Notquitethere
Lortaku
Flay
Jerry

But I'm not that interested in a Flay or Jerry D1 lynch when others have been scummier. I also don't see why you and Pitoli's opinion of Jon has fallen, can you two explain that please?

I don't get what you see in Xiao. His attitude isn't that helpful and despite his number of posts, I feel his desire to scum hunt is lacking.

I think you're mistaken. It might seem like my desire to scum hunt is lacking purely because half the people in this game only have around 10-15 posts making it hard to read. Any questions I would have had for them have already been asked, which leaves me doing nothing until they post more. =/
That said, I'm still not convinced rmp is town, but notquitethere is getting scummier every time he posts.

[Mr. Flay]

@Flay:

do you usually try to pin the team on Day 1? I've been told not to do that, on occasion.

I'm actually not trying to pin a team. It was a gut reaction based on a page or two, but we're still talking about it because Fear challenged it. Xiao stands a much better chance of being scum than Fear does at this stage, but IF one flips... in any case, don't overstate the case. It's a sidebar to my overall point that Xiao is too calm and collected for town being run up. Fear, this answers you as well. My main thrust is at Xiao, as I consider you null-Town right now. Only way you're likely to flip soon is through a NK, which would mean you're Town, so... (Town never lynches an active aggressive player with logic D1; save that for if/when you're still suspiciously alive at endgame).

Post 83 on the other hand, Xiao seems to be saying that Fear might be calling him (Xiao) Town because he (Fear) is scum. Very confusing sentence, but the only other way to read it is that Xiao is saying that Xiao's defiance is a scum tactic, and I'm not willing to buy that.

I am saying that my defiance is a scum tactic? Wait, what? You've lost me.

Exactly. That interpretation doesn't make any sense, so you must have been talking about Fear having a scum goal in calling you Town in 86 (the first half of the sentence). Confirmation of that interpretation would be helpful.

It looks like your lynch candidates are the half of town with less posts lol.

Possible scum slip.

lortaku, you really need to vote or at least post reads. Of the people on Xiao's wagon, which do you think is the likely scum?

Jerry, you really need to take more stands, and probably stake a vote. Stop talking about the Olympic Gold Medalist and fretting about L-1. Day One is half over.

pitoli reads as newbieTown right now to me. Still need a lot more content.

I'm watching my stories right now and I'd like to hear more from Flay, jerr, quite and Lork before I come back. Those are the four players I am interested in lynching/think might be scum.

Obviously I think my own activity is fine and my reads make sense. [/inb4FlayjustclaimedTown]

Of the other three, I think JerryArr stands the most chance of being scum, with notquitethere close behind. I can see a non-Scum motivation for nqt's obsession with hypotheticals, but it's also a REALLY easy way to look like you're generating content and participating without actually taking any stands or moving the game forward. lortaku on the other hand is just largely absent, so hard to read.

Jerry, on the other hand, seems to have a fairly good grasp of the game, but he Freaked Out when called on the L-1 vote. He's been gunshy with his vote ever since which, given his past site's history with NL on D1, might be understandable, but it's past the useful stage now. He needs to vote ASAP, because soon we're going to get to the "clock is running out we have to lynch Someone" stage of D1, and that's when scum can really shine in a game this small.

So, Xiao, Jerry, nqt, lortaku are my scumreads right now, in that order. Not talking about Town reads in depth today, sorry.

[Mr. Flay]

Sorry, this was directed at Fear:

Only way you're likely to flip soon is through a NK,

[Xiao Long]

Post 83 on the other hand, Xiao seems to be saying that Fear might be calling him (Xiao) Town because he (Fear) is scum. Very confusing sentence, but the only other way to read it is that Xiao is saying that Xiao's defiance is a scum tactic, and I'm not willing to buy that.

I am saying that my defiance is a scum tactic? Wait, what? You've lost me.

Exactly. That interpretation doesn't make any sense, so you must have been talking about Fear having a scum goal in calling you Town in 86 (the first half of the sentence). Confirmation of that interpretation would be helpful.

Oh, now I see what you're saying. I reread that post like five times trying to figure out what you meant. Yes, that's what I was saying, that Fear being so sure I'm town may be a hint of his alignment. But there are much scummier people that should be lynched first.

[JerryArr]

I'm watching my stories right now and I'd like to hear more from Flay, jerr, quite and Lork before I come back.
[...]
Everyone: I'd like your comments on the above players and which you think we should lynch, which you think we should not consider and which are stupid.

Not sure why

Flay

is worried about me using five minutes out of seven days to congratulate someone, especially when you say D1 usually lasts until near the deadline, but otherwise I think he is fairly towny. Only other thing is he may be on the lower end of the post scale, but I don't mind, because when they do come, they are good for town. This means, unlike the other two, I'm not going to need more scumhunting posts from Flay for me to think he's town, although more are always appreciated.

Can't say I'm as against NQT's hypotheticals as some (it's a newbie game, after all), but I can't help but think he's been a bit authoritative. He's null for me.

OK, I'd like to see a few more good posts from lortaku before I can consider him town. Considering that many of us have done at least something, whether it's a list or calling out certain players, him saying the game hasn't gone long enough to make reads is silly.

VOTE: lortaku, so we can see more.

[JerryArr]

I'm watching my stories right now and I'd like to hear more from Flay, jerr, quite and Lork before I come back. Those are the four players I am interested in lynching/think might be scum.

I strongly oppose a lynch outside of those players. Except for Jon. I only weakly oppose a lynch on him.

Everyone: I'd like your comments on the above players and which you think we should lynch, which you think we should not consider and which are stupid.

@Flay:

do you usually try to pin the team on Day 1? I've been told not to do that, on occasion.

I'm actually not trying to pin a team. It was a gut reaction based on a page or two, but we're still talking about it because Fear challenged it. Xiao stands a much better chance of being scum than Fear does at this stage, but IF one flips... in any case, don't overstate the case. It's a sidebar to my overall point that Xiao is too calm and collected for town being run up. Fear, this answers you as well. My main thrust is at Xiao, as I consider you null-Town right now. Only way you're likely to flip soon is through a NK, which would mean you're Town, so... (Town never lynches an active aggressive player with logic D1; save that for if/when you're still suspiciously alive at endgame).

Post 83 on the other hand, Xiao seems to be saying that Fear might be calling him (Xiao) Town because he (Fear) is scum. Very confusing sentence, but the only other way to read it is that Xiao is saying that Xiao's defiance is a scum tactic, and I'm not willing to buy that.

I am saying that my defiance is a scum tactic? Wait, what? You've lost me.

Exactly. That interpretation doesn't make any sense, so you must have been talking about Fear having a scum goal in calling you Town in 86 (the first half of the sentence). Confirmation of that interpretation would be helpful.

It looks like your lynch candidates are the half of town with less posts lol.

Possible scum slip.

lortaku, you really need to vote or at least post reads. Of the people on Xiao's wagon, which do you think is the likely scum?

Jerry, you really need to take more stands, and probably stake a vote. Stop talking about the Olympic Gold Medalist and fretting about L-1. Day One is half over.

pitoli reads as newbieTown right now to me. Still need a lot more content.

I'm watching my stories right now and I'd like to hear more from Flay, jerr, quite and Lork before I come back. Those are the four players I am interested in lynching/think might be scum.

Obviously I think my own activity is fine and my reads make sense. [/inb4FlayjustclaimedTown]

Of the other three, I think JerryArr stands the most chance of being scum, with notquitethere close behind. I can see a non-Scum motivation for nqt's obsession with hypotheticals, but it's also a REALLY easy way to look like you're generating content and participating without actually taking any stands or moving the game forward. lortaku on the other hand is just largely absent, so hard to read.

Jerry, on the other hand, seems to have a fairly good grasp of the game, but he Freaked Out when called on the L-1 vote. He's been gunshy with his vote ever since which, given his past site's history with NL on D1, might be understandable, but it's past the useful stage now. He needs to vote ASAP, because soon we're going to get to the "clock is running out we have to lynch Someone" stage of D1, and that's when scum can really shine in a game this small.

So, Xiao, Jerry, nqt, lortaku are my scumreads right now, in that order. Not talking about Town reads in depth today, sorry.

EBWOP: "NQT" and "lortaku" should be bolded in the previous.

[pitoli]

It looks like your lynch candidates are the half of town with less posts lol.

Possible scum slip.

How is this a scum slip...?

I like Flay, his reasoning lines up with mine on some things and his logic even convinces me on a few points.

[JerryArr]

Mod

: For whatever reason, the board added the multiquote I had had on when I intended to EBWOP. Please remove the quotes in 216?

Sorry, I cannot do that, as it changes the content of your post (even if it is just extra quotes). ~Zaicon

[Xiao Long]

OK, I'd like to see a few more good posts from lortaku before I can consider him town. Considering that many of us have done at least something, whether it's a list or calling out certain players, him saying the game hasn't gone long enough to make reads is silly.

VOTE: lortaku, so we can see more.

Is there anything else about him that makes you think he's scum, or are you just voting so he'll post more?

It looks like your lynch candidates are the half of town with less posts lol.

Possible scum slip.

How is this a scum slip...?

Can I make a special request that no one explain this? I'd have preferred if Flay didn't point this out just now as it could have been useful later on.

[Mr. Flay]

Xiao I don't get what we get out of not explaining it. The slip (if it is such) is already out there.

pitoli, which of my logic do you agree with? What do you disagree with? POST MORE.

[Xiao Long]

Perhaps, but if it is a slip, then not explaining it prevents Pitoli from being able to correct it which could cause another slip. I still think she's probably town, but if she's not, it could be useful. Does this make sense or does it seem incredibly unlikely?

[pitoli]

If the "slip" is about me calling the players on Fear's list "town" then I think that's slightly ridiculous.
It should have been obvious that I wasn't calling their alignment, I was using town in the sense of "this game's group of players".

agree with Flay on:

- idgaf attitude can be town or scum
- Jerry's hesitance to vote
- a likely scum motivation for NQT's hypothetical questions

disagree on:

- a Xiao/Fear team

convinced of:

- Xiao's calm and collected play (but not as a reason for why he's scum)
- Jerry's general scumminess

[JerryArr]

OK, I'd like to see a few more good posts from lortaku before I can consider him town. Considering that many of us have done at least something, whether it's a list or calling out certain players, him saying the game hasn't gone long enough to make reads is silly.

VOTE: lortaku, so we can see more.

Is there anything else about him that makes you think he's scum, or are you just voting so he'll post more?

Mainly so he posts more.

[notquitethere]

(Just coming home from a wedding- not my own- expect a post with content soon)