NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[mastin2]

Fifty-fourth Votecount

:

(Second Votecount Day Two,

AKA, the "Don't lynch the mod, he is town" votecount.

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Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
EddieFenix - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Bacde - 1 (Bulbazak)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Haylen - 1 (Cephrir)

With

21

alive, it's

11

to lynch.

Day Two's deadline is Thursday, June 20th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-06-20 12:30:00).

mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA over the weekend.
AngryPidgeon, the co-mod, is V/LA over the weekend.

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Oooooh, boy...

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Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
EddieFenix - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Bacde - 1 (

Bulbazak

)
Desperado - 1 (

ArcAngel9

)
Haylen - 1 (

Cephrir

)

Last votecount was page 114, post 2825.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D2

thezmon221:
CrashTextDummie:
Cephrir: Haylen
Nachomamma8:
PeregrineV:
Bacde: Nachomamma8
EddieFenix:
Bulbazak: Bacde
Thor665:
Desperado:
penguin_alien:
Slandaar:
Seanald:
ThAdmiral:
Haylen:
Kublai Khan:
Amethyst Kitty: EddieFenix
ffullisade:
Om the Destroyer:
ArcAngel9: Desperado

Spoiler: Votecount History D2

On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 01:48p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 2820.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 01:56p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

EddieFenix

in post 2823.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 03:25p,

Bulbazak

votes

Bacde

in post 2830.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 03:39p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Desperado

in post 2839.
On Fri, May 5/31/13 @ 03:44p,

Cephrir

votes

Haylen

in post 2842.

[ffullisade]

hi guys.

nacho, I hear from mollie that you are looking pretty scummy. tell me it ain't so.

what else do I need to know?

- fery

hey ffery

now, more than ever, I need you to not sheep the "project themselves as power players" crowd

because this game is a bigger mess than a pot of south carolina shrimp gumbo spilled over a gopher hole (although actually w/ 1 bluescum down we are doing alright)

mollie is towntowntown so I figure you are town for being in the same slot, HELP MEE

I got to about page 13 yesterday and then decided to wait and see if mollie and I survived the night before reading the whole damn thread.

13 pages was enough to get a scum vibe off Red Ryu, though, as well as a sense of unease about Nacho. I don't really know Thor. he was another active player during the period before day 1 voting was supposed to start. How do you feel about him? Think he's town?

pedit hi maramala! same question to you?

[Slandaar]

I hate multiball...

VOTE: Thor

[ffullisade]

also....fuuuuu I thought our name was ffusillade.

- f

[Bacde]

I got to about page 13 yesterday and then decided to wait and see if mollie and I survived the night before reading the whole damn thread.

13 pages was enough to get a scum vibe off Red Ryu, though, as well as a sense of unease about Nacho. I don't really know Thor. he was another active player during the period before day 1 voting was supposed to start. How do you feel about him? Think he's town?

pedit hi maramala! same question to you?

Thor is scum in the sense that he is actively hindering town achieve our win condition, which is lynching nacho-scum and then watching the rest of the scum crumble

Does he have a scum role PM? Its hard to say

[Bacde]

Besides this being a gigantic load of WIFOM, this theory is also horribad.

Nacho is too good to do something as obvious and stupid as that.

Odds are that it is either someone off of the Nacho wagon who wanted to keep suspicion on Nacho, or someone on the wagon who wanted to continue pushing the case for a mislynch.

Obvious counter-WIFOM

Yes, nacho is good. That's why he killed Red Ryu and not me

I haven't made the argument that Nacho is bad at this game once, so I guess you're the one who is misrepping?

Notice that it is not my case about why you are scum. It is my reasoning about why you are not blue scum. I've never admitted that my scum case against you was bad. Ever. You're going to have to try to misrep me harder if you want to succeed.

If you actually think I am red scum then you must think I am bussing nacho because nacho IS RED SCUM

[Bacde]

Can we stop making gog damn counter wagons to the 2-3 people have a mass amount of votes on, this is what causes a no lynch.

idgaf about the eddie case right now because he's not Nacho, Desp, or OS.

We need 13 within 2 days, so stop with the bullshit counter wagons and go with something that is actually viable. /drunk

Not trying to be a dick but we need to actually get a lynch and not waster 108 pages and not even lynch.

There is a plurality rule

Your attempts to appear town are fooling no one

ok I was fooled tbh Syr but this post explains why red ryu shot you

funny... his name is red ryu but he was blue scum

go figure

[EddieFenix]

Besides this being a gigantic load of WIFOM, this theory is also horribad.

Nacho is too good to do something as obvious and stupid as that.

Odds are that it is either someone off of the Nacho wagon who wanted to keep suspicion on Nacho, or someone on the wagon who wanted to continue pushing the case for a mislynch.

Obvious counter-WIFOM

Yes, nacho is good.

That's why he killed Red Ryu and not me

I haven't made the argument that Nacho is bad at this game once, so I guess you're the one who is misrepping?

Notice that it is not my case about why you are scum. It is my reasoning about why you are not blue scum. I've never admitted that my scum case against you was bad. Ever. You're going to have to try to misrep me harder if you want to succeed.

If you actually think I am red scum then you must think I am bussing nacho because nacho IS RED SCUM

How did Nacho kill Red Ryu if you don't mind my asking?

[Bulbazak]

Eddie Fenix: I've played with Eddie before. Not only that, but I've modded several games that he's been in. I've seen enough that I'm able to discern between his scum and his town game. This is his town game.

Kublai Khan: He's genuinely been scumhunting, and he feels very town to me.

Ffullisade: Two things: 1.) The Thor/Mollie interaction from d1. Mollie actually was dodging Thor's questions. It was enough to move them out of the town pile. 2.) Majiffy was the only one who backed Red Ryu up about directing the night actions. Everybody else who commented was against it, iirc, and referred to it as anti-town.

Om the Destroyer: I didn't like their earlier pushes d1. It just didn't feel like town-HD to me. After I made my case against them, they started attacking me hardcore and just claiming everything I said was a misrep, instead of actually arguing the points. This is similar to what Baby Spice did to Nacho at the end of d1. He also white knighted Oversoul big time (I initially thought it was a chainsaw defense, but I began to think otherwise toward the end of the day.).

Also, your questions reminded me of some things that I need to check out. Anymore questions before I dive into the ISOs?

[Bacde]

Besides this being a gigantic load of WIFOM, this theory is also horribad.

Nacho is too good to do something as obvious and stupid as that.

Odds are that it is either someone off of the Nacho wagon who wanted to keep suspicion on Nacho, or someone on the wagon who wanted to continue pushing the case for a mislynch.

Obvious counter-WIFOM

Yes, nacho is good.

That's why he killed Red Ryu and not me

I haven't made the argument that Nacho is bad at this game once, so I guess you're the one who is misrepping?

Notice that it is not my case about why you are scum. It is my reasoning about why you are not blue scum. I've never admitted that my scum case against you was bad. Ever. You're going to have to try to misrep me harder if you want to succeed.

If you actually think I am red scum then you must think I am bussing nacho because nacho IS RED SCUM

How did Nacho kill Red Ryu if you don't mind my asking?

it was

YOUR

factional kill that you used w/ nacho

why are you pretending you don't understand my argument?

[Bacde]

ugh the thing about bulbazak is that he's probably town

[Bacde]

Eddie Fenix: I've played with Eddie before. Not only that, but I've modded several games that he's been in. I've seen enough that I'm able to discern between his scum and his town game. This is his town game.

what are the differences between his scum/town game?

I'm interested because I'm heavily reading Eddie as a scumpartner w/ nacho

UGH are you sure he's town?

[Red Ryu]

Go Scum.

[EddieFenix]

Besides this being a gigantic load of WIFOM, this theory is also horribad.

Nacho is too good to do something as obvious and stupid as that.

Odds are that it is either someone off of the Nacho wagon who wanted to keep suspicion on Nacho, or someone on the wagon who wanted to continue pushing the case for a mislynch.

Obvious counter-WIFOM

Yes, nacho is good.

That's why he killed Red Ryu and not me

I haven't made the argument that Nacho is bad at this game once, so I guess you're the one who is misrepping?

Notice that it is not my case about why you are scum. It is my reasoning about why you are not blue scum. I've never admitted that my scum case against you was bad. Ever. You're going to have to try to misrep me harder if you want to succeed.

If you actually think I am red scum then you must think I am bussing nacho because nacho IS RED SCUM

How did Nacho kill Red Ryu if you don't mind my asking?

it was

YOUR

factional kill that you used w/ nacho

why are you pretending you don't understand my argument?

THAT'S funny.

NOW, explain your extremely weak argument.

[Bacde]

SCREW YOU RED RYU WTF YOU ARE SCUM IN ALL MY GAMES AND NOW I LOOK BAD BECAUSE OF YOU

UGH YOU PROBABLY DIDNT EVEN THINK NACHO WAS SCUM YOU FREAKING COATTAILS RIDING SCUMBUTT

[ffullisade]

actually was dodging Thor's questions. It was enough to move them out of the town pile. 2.) Majiffy was the only one who backed Red Ryu up about directing the night actions. Everybody else who commented was against it, iirc, and referred to it as anti-town.[/quote]
that is so majiffy.

I'll be focusing more on reads than on strategy probably. I know my strengths and weaknesses.

figuring you out is going to be a priority after our first game together.

- f

[Bacde]

THAT'S funny.

NOW, explain your extremely weak argument.

i can do the same thing

howabout you make an argument before you demand that I explain mine (for the nth freaking time)

[ffullisade]

ugh quote fail...trying again.

Ffullisade: Two things: 1.) The Thor/Mollie interaction from d1. Mollie actually was dodging Thor's questions. It was enough to move them out of the town pile. 2.) Majiffy was the only one who backed Red Ryu up about directing the night actions. Everybody else who commented was against it, iirc, and referred to it as anti-town.

that is so majiffy.

I'll be focusing more on reads than on strategy probably. I know my strengths and weaknesses.

- f

[Bacde]

figuring you out is going to be a priority after our first game together.

lol?

I haven't betrayed you once. Ever. I wasn't even betraying you in that first game.

You keep referring to our first game as though I did a bad thing

Sure, 42 ended up being scum but I wouldn't have seen that w/o my top scumread being lynched in that game

and I helped you realize that AP was scum in that game

I'm a good guy man, and my reads are good. Maybe they aren't perfect, but they are good

and nacho isn't sitting right with plenty of people for a reason

[Bacde]

ugh quote fail...trying again.

Ffullisade: Two things: 1.) The Thor/Mollie interaction from d1. Mollie actually was dodging Thor's questions. It was enough to move them out of the town pile. 2.) Majiffy was the only one who backed Red Ryu up about directing the night actions. Everybody else who commented was against it, iirc, and referred to it as anti-town.

that is so majiffy.

I'll be focusing more on reads than on strategy probably. I know my strengths and weaknesses.

- f

maybe mollie changed her scum meta to match her town meta but I have a good reason to believe that isn't the case, which means you are in a town slot

fyi bulb's read on me is as wrong as his read on you

[Bulbazak]

Besides this being a gigantic load of WIFOM, this theory is also horribad.

Nacho is too good to do something as obvious and stupid as that.

Odds are that it is either someone off of the Nacho wagon who wanted to keep suspicion on Nacho, or someone on the wagon who wanted to continue pushing the case for a mislynch.

Obvious counter-WIFOM

Of course that part is WIFOM! But you said that I used WIFOM in the case against you. This is not the case against you. This is why I believe Nacho is not scum. You want to know how I came to that conclusion? Because if I was scum, and I had a wagon on me like the one Nacho had, the last thing I would do would be to shoot one of the major pushers of my wagon. Now I know that Nacho is a better player than I am, and understands what I do. Therefore, there is no way he would have shot Red Ryu as scum. Especially with you trying to shove his wagon down everyone's throat. The same goes to why he wouldn't shoot you as scum. It's too obvious and an overall bad move.

I haven't made the argument that Nacho is bad at this game once, so I guess you're the one who is misrepping?

the case on nacho is that nacho rules at mafia

but for some reason this game he is really lame

and his posts are lame

Want to run that by me again?

Notice that it is not my case about why you are scum. It is my reasoning about why you are not blue scum. I've never admitted that my scum case against you was bad. Ever. You're going to have to try to misrep me harder if you want to succeed.

If you actually think I am red scum then you must think I am bussing nacho because nacho IS RED SCUM

I never said that Nacho was red scum. I believe he is town. Don't confuse your reads with mine.

[ffullisade]

figuring you out is going to be a priority after our first game together.

lol?

I haven't betrayed you once. Ever. I wasn't even betraying you in that first game.

You keep referring to our first game as though I did a bad thing

Sure, 42 ended up being scum but I wouldn't have seen that w/o my top scumread being lynched in that game

and I helped you realize that AP was scum in that game

I'm a good guy man, and my reads are good. Maybe they aren't perfect, but they are good

and nacho isn't sitting right with plenty of people for a reason

that was to bulba. he fooled me pretty badly in the first game we played. and left me alive to endgame too, damn him.

- f

[Bulbazak]

Eddie Fenix: I've played with Eddie before. Not only that, but I've modded several games that he's been in. I've seen enough that I'm able to discern between his scum and his town game. This is his town game.

what are the differences between his scum/town game?

I'm interested because I'm heavily reading Eddie as a scumpartner w/ nacho

UGH are you sure he's town?

If he was scum, he'd be using the chaos of the large game to disappear into the woodwork, but he's actually being open, honest, and fully engaging with the game. He's also doing a lot of actual scumhuting, which he wouldn't do if he were scum.

figuring you out is going to be a priority after our first game together.

lol?

I haven't betrayed you once. Ever. I wasn't even betraying you in that first game.

You keep referring to our first game as though I did a bad thing

Sure, 42 ended up being scum but I wouldn't have seen that w/o my top scumread being lynched in that game

and I helped you realize that AP was scum in that game

I'm a good guy man, and my reads are good. Maybe they aren't perfect, but they are good

and nacho isn't sitting right with plenty of people for a reason

You know she's talking about me, right? But thanks for showing us your nervous scum side.

fyi bulb's read on me is as wrong as his read on you

Look. Buddying.

[Bacde]

Of course that part is WIFOM! But you said that I used WIFOM in the case against you. This is not the case against you. This is why I believe Nacho is not scum. You want to know how I came to that conclusion? Because if I was scum, and I had a wagon on me like the one Nacho had, the last thing I would do would be to shoot one of the major pushers of my wagon. Now I know that Nacho is a better player than I am, and understands what I do. Therefore, there is no way he would have shot Red Ryu as scum. Especially with you trying to shove his wagon down everyone's throat. The same goes to why he wouldn't shoot you as scum. It's too obvious and an overall bad move.

ugh this argument for nacho being town is ALL wifom

and your argument for me being scum is that I'm pushing on nacho

I'm leading you to water dude, DRINK IT

[Bacde]

Look. Buddying.

YES I AM DOING THAT

I DONT UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT

YOU SEEM TO BE IMPLYING THAT IT IS SCUM-BUDDYING BUT YOU ARE DOING A PISS-POOR JOB OF IT BECAUSE YOU CANT EXPLAIN IT FURTHER THAN JUST SAYING "BUDDYING" OR "ATE" OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANNA JAB AT