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[Nero Cain]

you could like quote said list.

[Mac]

You're trying to be funny and it's just digging you into a hole. Krabs was a Town read, you are a scum read.

Town Reads:
ferret
Sven
Desp
AA9
Skull

Scum Reads:
Mutley
Malcom
RATEDR
AA

Skull, AA, Sven, Desp, and Nero all seem Town to me. I think that some of the scum are Mutley, AA9, and Raven.

lol seriously ferret are you having a joke.

your iso literally mentions desp twice^ above to call him town

and yet you are fine for him being lynched.

pray tell, what changed your mind?

[Mac]

i will also quote said list when I'm awake tomorrow, i'm very drunk and tired at the moment.

[ferretlover]

Desp's actions seemed towny until recently. I would be happy with a Desp lynch today.

Not sure if I have done this already so

VOTE: Desperado

[Nero Cain]

1. Jebus ***
2. zachattack * Darthe *
3. ArcAngel9 ***
4. Desperado
5. Squidward ** penguin_alien *
9. ferretlover
10. Ravenpaw
11. Amethyst Actor (Ms. Marangel/The Acting Method Hydra) *
12. Fuzzyman
14. FuDuzn * petapan
17. Mac
18. TheEsquire **
19. The Goat

In everyone's next post

I want ya'll to order this list

from scum to town. Anyone that does not do it will go into my "people to shoot pile"

I don't understand why this is so hard. The phone people will eventually go home.

[Ravenpaw]

@Nero
Scum to town-

Fuzzyman
Jebus
Ferret
Mac
Esquire
AA9
Petapan
Goat
Darthe
Penguin
AA
Desperado
Ravenpaw

[Mutleyddmc]

scum to town

Ferret
penguin
Desp
Petapan
ravenpaw
Esquire
jebus
darthe
aa9
fuzzy
goat
aa
mac

[ferretlover]

I won't be off of my phone until maybe a week or 2 later

[Desperado]

3. ArcAngel9 ***
9. ferretlover
11. Amethyst Actor (Ms. Marangel/The Acting Method Hydra) *
12. Fuzzyman
18. TheEsquire **
1. Jebus ***
19. The Goat
14. FuDuzn * petapan
5. Squidward ** penguin_alien *
10. Ravenpaw
17. Mac
2. zachattack * Darthe *
4. Desperado

Arc, ferret, Raven, Darthe, and Mac are the only reads I feel strongly about. Darthe and Mac in particular are the two most obvious town now that Skull has met his untimely demise.

[Darthe]

Ferret,
Jebus
Raven
Arc, Mac
Fuzzy
Penguin
Esquire
Despo
AA, Zach, Peta
Nero



I am curious why Malcolm, Mutley, and Pere were left off?

[Nero Cain]

I am curious why Malcolm, Mutley, and Pere were left off?

As I explained, I'm not interested in killing them. Why did you leave Goat off your list?

[Desperado]

Dry humoured. What are your scumtells?

AA, AA9, and Monkey

On Thursday I'm nowhere on ferret's scumdar.

I'm on a phone so I can't.

I also am wondering why some of us should need to make a list even though those in question already have.

I would be great with. Desp lynch today.

VOTE: Desperado

Desp's actions seemed towny until recently. I would be happy with a Desp lynch today.

Not sure if I have done this already so

VOTE: Desperado

On Saturday, ferret makes it clear that my recent actions are responsible for his read on me changing abruptly. Here is everything I did between Thursday and Saturday:

We are nagging so much.. Can we just lynch monkey and move further.. this day been long enough!!!

You need to die too.

@ArcAngel- Don't take this the wrong way, or overreact, but I feel as if you may have received a role with a mafia-aligned win condition. For this reason, I feel the need to lynch you.

Vote: ArcAngel

One of the primary reasons is that Monkey was your RVS vote and in the course of two posts, segued into a legitimate vote on Monkey for rolefishing. The next 38 posts were continued attacks on Monkey or anyone who said he might be town or on Nero for voting you or others for arguing with you. There appears to be a lack of actual scumhunting, and instead there exists a tunneling on a single player, and most other posts are arguing with other players about that player.

youre wrong, ISO me, I did stated my reasons about Monkey, He is horrible, useless and

all he was doing stating list of lurkers as scum,

He is not worthy and not town at all. And, the weirdist part is that you came to monkey's defence? since when?

Vote: ArcAngel9

The bolded is something that you (incorrectly) accused ferretlover of doing, not Monkey. In my experience, townies don't usually forget what scum tells were exhibited by which scum read, especially when they've been tunneling said scum read for the entire game.

...that's it. Ferret didn't respond to what I said about arc in any capacity, he just voted me. Then failed to mention it again even after someone questioned him, choosing to vaguely refer to my "actions recently" instead. But the original set of quotes between himself and mutley came directly after ferret and I had exchanged some words, so that clearly hadn't pinged his scumdar, which means that the only thing he could be referring to is my push on Arc. So why not just say that? Either a) he doesn't want to associate himself with Arc in the process of defending her, or b) he doesn't know why he thinks I'm scum. Neither is town motivated.

We are nagging so much.. Can we just lynch monkey and move further.. this day been long enough!!!

You need to die too.

You need to find Scum not me.
So stop posting fluff and

get a real case to call me scum.

Derpo!!


AA, Ferret could be town, but not sure. I will have to ISO him again.
Can you help me understand why you're not comfortable with Monkey's lynch?

@ArcAngel- Don't take this the wrong way, or overreact, but I feel as if you may have received a role with a mafia-aligned win condition. For this reason, I feel the need to lynch you.

Vote: ArcAngel

One of the primary reasons is that Monkey was your RVS vote and in the course of two posts, segued into a legitimate vote on Monkey for rolefishing. The next 38 posts were continued attacks on Monkey or anyone who said he might be town or on Nero for voting you or others for arguing with you. There appears to be a lack of actual scumhunting, and instead there exists a tunneling on a single player, and most other posts are arguing with other players about that player.

youre wrong, ISO me, I did stated my reasons about Monkey, He is horrible, useless and

all he was doing stating list of lurkers as scum,

He is not worthy and not town at all. And, the weirdist part is that you came to monkey's defence? since when?

Vote: ArcAngel9

The bolded is something that you (incorrectly) accused ferretlover of doing, not Monkey. In my experience, townies don't usually forget what scum tells were exhibited by which scum read, especially when they've been tunneling said scum read for the entire game.

And a nice oppurtunist vote Despo, Get a life!!!

Recap:

I express my interest in an Arc lynch after she lazily pushes her Monkey tunnel
She tells me to "stop posting fluff" (citation needed) and get a real case on her
I get a real case on her
She completely ignores it and calls me opportunistic.

Scum.

Some of the middle of that list is pretty weak reads, but the top six town reads I'm pretty sure on. And I'd lynch anywhere in the top six scum reads right now.

I'm not getting this push on ArcAngel9. Her reactions don't seem in line with her scum play and seem way more like her reactions as town. Nero Cain, what's your take there? P-edit: you obviously have her as town as well. I assume you'd agree with the first part of this paragraph, then?

I've only seen Arctown once; I get the blatant OMGUS and the lack of thread presence, but I don't get the personal insults and tunneling. Can you recommend some Arctown games that track with her behavior here? Or maybe some of her scum games, if that's what you feel more strongly in saying.

Some of the middle of that list is pretty weak reads, but the top six town reads I'm pretty sure on. And I'd lynch anywhere in the top six scum reads right now.

You mean this line?

I think despo is scum scum scum. Ditto for peta. Can you explain those.

Some of the middle of that list is pretty weak reads, but the top six town reads I'm pretty sure on. And I'd lynch anywhere in the top six scum reads right now.

You mean this line?

I think despo is scum scum scum. Ditto for peta. Can you explain those.

...yes, I mean that. petapan's sense of irritation throughout his ISO feels genuinely town. My take is that scum wouldn't explicitly say that they hadn't bothered reading. His voting The Goat over Mutleyddmc comes from specifically not wanting Mutley as the lynch, which seems more definitive than he needs to be as town. Desperado just isn't nearly as scummy as my top six scum reads. He's in the middle, and depending on how my brain's firing on any given day, those middle reads might reorder slightly. But he tries to engage with people who aren't engaging with him in a way that goes beyond what it seems he'd feel compelled to do as scum. Much more pro-town than MonkeyMan576's awful reaction to daykills, or Fuzzyman trying to lynch you on a jest, or Mutleyddmc being scummy himself and in a horrendously scummy slot, or Jebus throwing around votes with no interest in engaging. The Goat's reactions to xMalcolmx bug me, and I think there's some merit to the cases presented on ferretlover. So I'd lynch any of them over Desperado right now.

there are certain players that I have no interest in killing. Why are you not doing your list?

No comment on penguin's relatively in depth explanation of his read on me? I gave up on trying to get you to explain why you were scumreading me a long time ago, but why aren't you engaging penguin at all on this?

[Darthe]

I am curious why Malcolm, Mutley, and Pere were left off?

As I explained, I'm not interested in killing them. Why did you leave Goat off your list?

Forgot him.. Updated.

Ferret,
Jebus
Raven
Arc, Mac
Fuzzy
Goat
Penguin
Esquire
Despo
AA, Zach, Peta
Nero



I am curious why Malcolm, Mutley, and Pere were left off?

I don't agree with leaving people off the list btw, it is selfish and short sighted. You would be better to include them so that people have to give full lists, scum has less wiggle room and more room for error, and then the lists have more purpose.

I say that people should add in everyone (save themselves). I am correct in saying that those three are the only ones left off aren't I?

[xMALCOLMx]

@ Nacho how confident are you in mutleytown? Who would you vote if it wasn't Darthe? I don't want to do that either.

VERY confident in mutleytown. I pretty much literally cannot vote him because he is too town. I could vote penguin. I could probably still vote Goat, although I'm unsure in that. Esquire is a fantastic lynch as well.

hat Monkey did was on d1 speculate why the Shield killed GoodCopBadCop (he claims he was also speculating who) as proved by the following post

I think that the paranoid way he's handling his lynch is very town.

It seemed to me like simple bad play to attack players who are (to me at least, and the general consensus so far as I can tell) town and I would consider once regular but... so many separate irregular votes with no purpose (admittedly) strike me as someone who overstepped and recognized it in trying to blend early game.

Yeah it seems like bad play in either alignment. I don't think Ferret's thought process as scum involves damage control; I think it involves fear and avoiding the thread.

Setting himself up as a mediator..? Did you not read the post?

Why?

I would disagree. Submissiveness happens anytime the individual doesn't have a ready plan to charge in another direction, so to speak or would rather avoid confrontation. It fits his play, which isn't simply bad play but has the distinct ring of care associated with scum in my opinion.

Do you know who has this mindset? Newscum scum. Explain the rest; I don't want you to devolve into gut everytime I ask you to explain something.

This one isn't arguable, sorry. Breadcrumbing: good. False breadcrumbing: okay in the right situation. Seeing someone elses breadcrumb: good for accountability. Announcing someone elses breadcrumb on thread: bad. I recognize that this was a hypothetical, hence I didn't continuously argue it, but there is no advantage gained by pointing out a breadcrumb that would not better serve after the individual claims.

I'm saying different site metas are different and the observation was stupid as hell in this format but not scummy.

My general notion of town play is that people play less cautiously as town because their lives are worth less than those are as scum. In essence, if you want to fake being town you can't play a perfect game. People wonder why you aren't being NK'd. People use PR's on you to be sure you aren't awesome scum. People just don't trust an overly done performance and will sense it being off. Thus, I caught onto this (initially gut and pretty confirmed to me by what I found in my casework) because it seemed too much so in the opposite direction, someone who was trying to look bad enough to skirt, but not be killed.

I am rarely caught out for being "too involved". I occasionally am "too involved" as either alignment due to the makeup of the game.

If this is an easy target then why are you so for him? Ferret is being successful and I am aiding the town to the best of my ability by finding these sorts of inconsistencies. What going would I be if I spread myself thin on people who didn't stick out to me as much?

You'd also be more useful because you'd have reads that didn't suck.

Nacho where are you?

Drinking my sorrows away.

Darthe
penguin
fuzzyman
esquire
goat
jebus
monkey
arcangel9
desperado
petapan
ferret
ravenpaw
amethyst actor
mac

I don't agree with leaving people off the list btw, it is selfish and short sighted. You would be better to include them so that people have to give full lists, scum has less wiggle room and more room for error, and then the lists have more purpose.

I say that people should add in everyone (save themselves). I am correct in saying that those three are the only ones left off aren't I?

he's not being leashed so that doesn't matter?

[Ravenpaw]

Alright I’ve added in the peeps that were left out:

Monkeyman
Muttley
Fuzzyman
Jebus
Ferret
Mac
Esquire
AA9
Petapan
Goat
Darthe
Penguin
AA
NeroCane
Malcolmx
Desperado
PeregrineV
Ravenpaw

Also with the deadline fast approaching we need to get someone to L-1 like asap.

[Nero Cain]

I don't agree with leaving people off the list btw, it is selfish and short sighted. You would be better to include them so that people have to give full lists, scum has less wiggle room and more room for error, and then the lists have more purpose.

I say that people should add in everyone (save themselves).

Its

MY

shots. I have no issue with going cavalier and shooting who I want but I'm not infallible. I still get to make the final kill choice but I'd listen to others opinions. Any talk of "leashing" is auto kill. I'm doing this out of the goodness of my heart.

+ This game is a lurkfest now and it also serves the purpose of getting some kind of discussion going.


Raven: Why do you keep calling me Nero Cane?

[Ravenpaw]

@MOD-

If replacements aren't found before deadline will you prolong the day for us until they are like before?

[Ravenpaw]

Raven: Why do you keep calling me Nero Cane?

Lol, I don't know, my fingers just type it that way for some reason.

[Nero Cain]

I say that people should add in everyone (save themselves).

AA,

Zach

, Peta
Nero

Why did you say this and then add yourself? lol

Also why am I a higher scum read then yourself?

[Nero Cain]

Also why am I a higher town read then yourself?

FIXED!!!

[Darthe]

^Because I am losing my fucking mind apparently. jesus.

[Mutleyddmc]

So when is the deadline again? Lets put monkey to l-1 hes the closest to it

[Darthe]

Ooh now I get it (had to recall my halfway asleep brain from last night). I wrote that to compare how my predecessor played in my eyes with the rest of you.

[Nero Cain]

Ooh now I get it (had to recall my halfway asleep brain from last night). I wrote that to compare how my predecessor played in my eyes with the rest of you.

[Nero Cain]

1. Jebus
3. ArcAngel9
9. ferretlover
11. Amethyst Actor
12.
14.
17. Mac
18. TheEsquire
19. The Goat
20. PeregrineV

Of the players that have not yet given me a list...the fact that Mac and Mara continue to post around the site but not here is giving me bad vibes.

Jeebus needs to be replaced me thinks. Angel too if she doesn’t post in like the next two days. TSQ hasn’t posted in a week. lol