Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[milkshake]

Me too, especially now that you mentioned that. It seems like the kind of thing that might be a scum safeclaim.

confirm vote: Ms Marangal

[Selkies]

Miss D/MsM

233
called out on trajectory by SoO. self-metas instead of explaining why the read change.
237
catches it. comes down to "other people calling you out" and "post wasn't as good as I thought" with no explanation of why.
319
votes demon "seemingly opportunistic hops". phrasing here is kinda passive for a vote post. also, totally had a different opinion of demon at this point in the game.
452
defensive tone throughout
525
case on demon. "opportunistic".
554
More demon interaction.
562
Interaction with me. I challenged her to take a stand on Milk. Got back "I don't even know"...scum.
578
prefers Omens to Milk, but doesn't vote yet. Soft Bus?
599
beginning of reasoning to not vote ThAd
602
votes...MILK?
604
brings up poetic justice game's fake PGO claim to explain reluctannce to vote ThAd. really strange post.
616
defensive posture, self meta, etc.
631
clangs.
658
reads list - scum are milkshake, demon. i don't even

From here, name claim, Milkshake vote, and defense. What is the vote count? premature claim?

Yeah, this looks bad and I could vote MsM today. Will discuss with orcinus.

[Selkies]

Me too, especially now that you mentioned that. It seems like the kind of thing that might be a scum safeclaim.

confirm vote: Ms Marangal

k this is a weird vote

[Selkies]

that's okay though i think your playstyle is generally weird and you're still town

we are now going to VOTE: marangal

[Selkies]

^^ IAWTP

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

Also, iece needs more scrutiny and fery is concerned about that slot

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 1.19

Ms Marangal 4

(sword_of_omens, Demon, milkshake, Selkies)

milkshake 4

(ThAdmiral, MattP, Ms Marangal, Ghostlin)

sword_of_omens 3

(Iecerint, Nero Cain, GoodCop_BadCop)

ThAdmiral 2

(Belisarius, Amrun)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is Monday, June 3rd, at 9 PM EST. This is in (expired on 2013-06-03 21:00:00).

[Selkies]

SoO

First post of game, vote on Milkshake with detailed reasoning, puts wagon to L-1. Seems like an excessively ballsy way to start the game if scum.

380
good pushback, also...a comment that this isn't Iecerent's town game. Did not notice this originally because Iecerent wasn't on my radar.

SoO, please elaborate.

383
ah. alert status down on Iecerent. still...would like to know more about his town game.

482
Reads list makes sense to me given his posts prior to this. He has MsM and ThAd as scum. The only thing I would question is that his town read on GCBC seems predicated on Ghostlin being scum. I wouldn't make that a centerpiece, myself.

547
I can see where he is coming from in this post re his suspicions on Ghostlin. I disagree, though.

614
MsM case and vote. Trajectory was established prior.

635
The first sentence pretty much follows my thoughts when I read that post by MsM.
His later posts, he's still poking at stuff by other players for more clarity and detail.

@GCBC, I cannot see what it is in SoO's posts that you find so scummy. I think you're barking up the wrong trees in both your top reads. :/

[Selkies]

Current reads

orcinus and I have not done a complete synch - we've focused on scum reads. Where I think I know his current read, I will mention it.

Leaning Town

(semi random order)

milkshake - both of us
Amrun - both of us (read more shaky than a few days ago. would like to see an answer to Nero's question)
GCBC
Ghostlin - both of us
Demon - both of us
SoO - maybe just me on this one

Null

MattP - I am leaning more town. orcinus would consider a policy lynch
Beliasaurus - I think orcinus may have him in or near his scumpile, but reading his iso had me thinking about putting him in my town pile.
Nero Cain - orcinus has him in or near his scum pile based on him continuing to harp on old posts without either building more of a case or dropping stuff if his read's evolved.
ThAdmiral - I'm at null-maybe-town. Orcinus has him scummy enough for a compromise lynch vote.

Scum

MsMarangal - both of us
Iecerent - both of us

[Selkies]

Not going to do a ThAd iso report. I'm done posting walls for now.

- fferyllt

[Ms Marangal]

Because Nyvene is a Doctor, and I'm not playing Dumb

and I did press you, but then you ended up disappearing.

You think everything I do is Scummy Orci.

Milk:

What did I do? React?

Try and paint my actions in a townish light? oh, wait that was you...

What did I do that shows that I'm self-conscious?

as for self-meta, the only thing that could be considered as such was how I interacted with Swords and it was because I expected him to know me better.

Beyond that, self-meta is no where near a scum-tell. Town and scum both have used self-meta, I have seen it, I have done it, It is not a scum-tell. Painting it as one so you could incriminate people is shit

and early claim? yeah because this is one of the instances where I don't really want to get lynched because I will be useful to this game outside the day phase but I also don't want scum to know what exactly it is that I can do.

Pedit: that's to Milk

[Selkies]

Will bring this up with orcinus as soon as he's online. Our vote stays where it is in the meantime because I'm skeptical as fuck about this role claim.

- fferyllt

[milkshake]

Not going to do a ThAd iso report. I'm done posting walls for now.

- fferyllt

I like your walls. They are smart and townish, and smart, townish people should agree with them.

[Ms Marangal]

Not going to do a ThAd iso report. I'm done posting walls for now.

- fferyllt

I like your walls. They are smart and townish, and smart, townish people should agree with them.

The Fuck? This is blatant suck up, town have little to no reason to do this. Playful Jabs now and then are fine, but he is actively trying to keep himself from looking bad in your eyes.

and Believe my claim or not, but it's true. He is also the only one of the three contesting wagons who brings up that a No lynch could be a plausibly good Idea, maybe because he starting to realize that he can't really get the other wagons to take off because they all claimed PR to some extent and he can't?

[Belisarius]

Also, iece needs more scrutiny and fery is concerned about that slot

Then why are you telling us to scrutinise him instead of doing so yourself?

[Selkies]

Also, iece needs more scrutiny and fery is concerned about that slot

Then why are you telling us to scrutinise him instead of doing so yourself?

because we could be dead on day 2. I'm doing some meta dives now, but there are players here who have experiential meta and that is likely to be far more useful than what I can dig up in old threads.

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

Not going to do a ThAd iso report. I'm done posting walls for now.

- fferyllt

I like your walls. They are smart and townish, and smart, townish people should agree with them.

you blew right past MsM's repeated posts directed toward you to reply to this with something that doesn't advance the game.

Not advancing the game in every post isn't a huge deal. but, doing so while ignoring posts directed at you kinda is a deal.

- fferyllt

[Nero Cain]

no lynch on day 1 is fucking horrible. A no lynch is usually terrible but there's like no reason to ever no lynch on day 1.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Milk

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Sorry hawkie, but I'm stealing my vote back. In advance, I'm not sure of Milk's gender since it is not listed, I've defaulted to male.

Milk needs to go, and it saddens me some of you cannot see that.

Post 514, I laid out exactly why this is not his town game. His only response to it was "okay" and to call us scummy for pushing the case against him. And then leaving himself a backdoor "out" in case that backfired by adding "Or trying to contribute" Town doesn't leave the back door wide open. Milk-scum does.


Check out post 522 where he again pushes me as scummy and leaves.... yet another back door! Especially after he calls the wagon on him 66% scum! There's a serious level of cognitive dissonance going on here.

Post 525 yet another "GCBC is scum, but maybe they aren't" post, and also sheeps Selkies. At this point it is apparent he has latched onto selkies like a newborn to his mother's bosom.

As hawkie noted in our 533; milkshake was afraid to vote for us even though he had us down as scum. Leaving himself to push us as scum without voting, and then giving him room to hop on later.

Lastly, we see another mindless brown-nose job in post 712.

He's ignoring posts he can't answer, he's trying to wiggle out of his lynch by floating other wagons without pushing them himself, and he's even desperate enough to try and sell no lynch.



VOTE: Milk

That's L-1, where Milk needs to be.



Regarding the marangal case, having played with her before when she was town, she's giving off the same vibes (minus her IC hat) as before. Now, you all have played with her a lot more so you might be able to correct me, but I've read a game or two of hers as scum and they seem... different than her play here. I think that the time she was tied up waiting for HD threw her off a bit, and it made it hard to grab reads initially as a result.

~BC (aka C)

[Selkies]

I'm stealing my vote back

Now that orcinus is back and I have someone to confab with, I'm taking advantage of it.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I'm stealing my vote back

Now that orcinus is back and I have someone to confab with, I'm taking advantage of it.

And since I see you're here, would you mind explaining your own findings as you said you would?

@GCBC, I'll have a look at the game you found. Thanks for the heads up.

- fferyllt

Also I'm sticking with signing my posts as GC from now on.
~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Errr... That was supposed to be "Also, I'm signing my posts as BC from now on"

~BC

[Selkies]

And since I see you're here, would you mind explaining your own findings as you said you would?

my findings about the game you linked? I don't remember saying I'd report back, but I probably should have.

My thoughts were that there was a humor to Milk's posts in that game that is kinda missing here. And, there was a way slower rate of posting, though that could be due to Milk almost immediately getting a bandwagon and quickly reaching L-1 here. Milk has been a bit on the back foot ever since.

I got kinda hung up on one of the posts where Milk said something about people posting statistically a little more as scum than as town. I don't know who said that or what their sample was. My own non-statistically-valid observations suggest otherwise, though IME good players don't do lurky stuff when they are scum.

I also thought that 2009 is not really all that recent.

I looked back over the thread to be sure I wasn't forgetting something, and you know what jumped out at me? Iecerint also played that game and was town. Pretty sure that Milk didn't volunteer that when I asked if any players had game experience with Iecerint.

Milk's recent posts are having a negative impact on my read. Depending on how orcinus feels about MsM's claim, we may post intent to hammer in a bit.

[Selkies]

Sorry about hydra slipping, I can't log onto Selk right now so fery will have to quote this for me

Marangal is scum as all shit.

1). Doc claim--m has meta of fake claiming PRs like in hard boiled so no towncred for that
2). Calling milk sucking up to us is weak as all shit. I mean. What? No. He liked Fery's ISO. He stated that. That is not anti town behavior at all. What the fuck do you mean that's scum?

I don't want to lynch milk, and will ONLY if Marangal doesn't build.

WHY WOULD DOC CLAIM WHEN SHE IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR A LYNCH

PEOPLE

ARE YOU BLIND

MARANGAL GOES RIGHT FUCKING NOW

quoting for orcinus.