Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[milkshake]

ThAdmiral is my original scum read and his claim is even worse than Ms Marangal's. I would return my vote to him.

[Ms Marangal]

not Thad

I really don't think ScumThad would be so stubborn RE Claiming, and I definitely think that, as scum, he would stop at just a soft claim. It's high risk, and has very little rewards

also, the Lack of will to survive just Screams town IMO

Do you both still have Demon as town?

and the fact that milk is so willing to jump onto the next biggest wagon is a huge Bother

Ghost could be a decent wagon to try and get up

[Ms Marangal]

EBWODP:

*as scum, he wouldn't stop at just a soft claim

[Demon]

Wow. You seirously contemplating a me/ghostlin lynch right now/? About a day before deadline with most people afk?

[Demon]

Unbekievable.

[Selkies]

Not demon. not Ghost. Both are in our townpile.

We'd lynch from ThAd, iercerent today. maaaaybe beli - orcinus has him as scum, I have him null.

iercerent hasn't been online for a while which is my main hesitation. that plus worries that my scum read is a false positive.

- f

[Selkies]

ThAdmiral is my original scum read and his claim is even worse than Ms Marangal's. I would return my vote to him.

Given that thAd has 3 votes on him and that without your vote marangal also has 3, why aren't you switching your vote at this point in time?

-o

[Selkies]

Wow. You seirously contemplating a me/ghostlin lynch right now/? About a day before deadline with most people afk?

I love your lack of involvement.

-o

[Selkies]

not Thad

I really don't think ScumThad would be so stubborn RE Claiming, and I definitely think that, as scum, he would stop at just a soft claim. It's high risk, and has very little rewards

also, the Lack of will to survive just Screams town IMO

Do you both still have Demon as town?

and the fact that milk is so willing to jump onto the next biggest wagon is a huge Bother

Ghost could be a decent wagon to try and get up

This post mkes me feel very bad about you.

Survivalism should be a trait of all players, town or scum.

Why demon or ghost?

[Ms Marangal]

Survivalism should be a trait of all players, town or scum.

Theoretically, yes though coming from a psychological standpoint, Scum tend to feel a whole lot more survivalistic, especially early on in the game because a D1 scum lynch hurts scum more than a D1 town lynch hurts town. VT's especially don't tend to feel the need to survive, I have even met some who ask to be lynched before lylo because it gives them a better chance to win the game

Why demon or ghost?

Ghostlin-scum-lean
This is mostly coming from the points raised by Omens. Looking at the exchange, Omens was accusing Ghost of trying to draw out the dream walkers by soft claiming his role, and looking at the reactions to his hint, he I would say he got more dream-walkers than he said he does. I don't think Omens was the only one who was dragged out from that claim

Demon-scum
I have already explained this, and my reasons for demon scum still stand. He is still my top pick for lynch and I will move back to him if there is a chance of him happening. His response to "his lynch not going through" sounds like cocky scum.

I don't like how Demon try's to subtly try to get me not voting him. at the time, we had about a week left and as such, there was no need to be on a "Plausible realistic lynch wagon" since, everything is pretty much free-game at this point.

His early push on Matt was shit and his reason for not believing that he was scum was a terrible twist of Burden of efficiency and it was a push on him being more anti-town than scum

His vote on Selkies was terrible and again, it was placed because they were Anti-town and his vote is essentially OMGUS. He's trying to keep his cool under then (Orci?) pressure and looks like he doesn't want to be seen as someone who is over-reacting

People have started to talk about Beli-scum while he was still lightly pursuing other avenues then, he suddenly votes for Beli...

I can't quote where you have been opportunistic because it isn't your posts themselves, on their own they are null but it's more of what has been happening around it, the environment of which you have made your posts. The environment that I have explained when I stated that I believed you to be scum

This is the environment.

the vote was opportunistic because

People were already expressing interest in Beli-scum while he was not. Beli was already obtaining verbal pressure when Demon voted him which is usually a good indication of a wagon picking up.

being the first two voters on a lynching wagon is good for scum because those people usually receive the least amount of pressure. I believe I caught scum a few times for them being early on a lynch wagon.

The fact that most of his votes were either the first or second vote placed, and he moves his vote as soon as a wagon seems to be loosing steam strengthens the fact that Demon is scum.

Could go for a Beli-lynch if there was enough support for that

[milkshake]

I can move my vote to ThAdmiral.
UNVOTE: Ms Marangal
VOTE: ThAdmiral

I'm not going to lie, I would even be willing to backstab Belisarius. Like I said, I would be willing to vote almost anyone to avoid a nolynch. The people I would NOT be willing to vote are Selkies, GoodCop_BadCop, Amrun, Ghostlin, and Sword_Of_Omens.

And yes self preservation is another motive for my, uh, voting promiscuity. Although my role doesn't seem extremely important, I'm not signed up for any other games right now and lynching town is not the ideal start for a town victory.

[Nero Cain]

ugh. THAD scum could easily be playing "chicken".

[ThAdmiral]

ugh. THAD scum could easily be playing "chicken".

could be, but I'm not

[Nero Cain]

Mara-claimed doc
Thad-some pr
Milk-Some passive pr.

See the problem? If all three of you are town prs then we're fucked.

Did SOO ever claim? Can you and Milk character claim?

[Selkies]

Milk did character claim.

[Selkies]

^^ f

[Selkies]

My bad, I forgot that saying something positive is the biggest scum tell ever in this meta.

I'm Siuan Sanche.

I have passive ability pertaining to one power that affects my other abilities. But I don't have any other abilities.

Ms Marangal is scum, I am not.

^^ there

- f

[Nero Cain]

ThAdmiral is my original scum read

I thought it was Matt?

[milkshake]

I really don't think my role counts as PR. Unless anyone has information pointing towards the existence of Vanilla Townies, I'm going to guess that this setup is all people with SOME sort of ability. But my role is pretty VTish. And yes, I'm also guessing that MattP is either lying or has a role similar to mine and rounded it down to VT, so to speak.

MattP was my ORIGINAL scum read, Nero Cain, yeah, but I meant during this end phase of the day ThAdmiral was my first scum read.

Also, again, I really don't think literally claiming "PR" with no other information counts as a PR claim for the purposes of lynching.

[Nero Cain]

You know what? I think you're right about it being an all pr game. There's not a sample vt pm. If you have a passive ability then you have a pr. Like I said earlier, I think Matt is lying but I don't think its alignment indicative.

[Selkies]

In the series do bad guys channel?

- f

[Nero Cain]

its been a while since I've read but some do, I don't think they all do though.

[Selkies]

so both channeling and dream walking are alignment-ambiguous, then?

- f

[Nero Cain]

yes.

[sword_of_omens]

Unvote:

Milk, what is the reasoning flavor for your ability?