Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

today we lynch either Toomai or Daemon imo.

but I want to talk things with dashie first

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@ CP - can you please confirm you are actually Doc and not a JK?

[Toomai]

today we lynch either Toomai or Daemon imo.

Let's get the ball rolling then.

Vote: Daemon385

Like Dyslexicon he's scuttled along and mostly gotten a free pass.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

my gut says you personally. instead of rushing to vote, why not put together a case on Daemon for me.

show me you are actually town.

[Daemon385]

Bah Toomai your just going with the easy finger point. Like you haven't? I actually have more activity then you have so far in this game.

[Daemon385]

I may be wrong but I was curious about the Toomai wagon I think I am oblivious to why vote him? I just need to know what is up with him >.<

I think the main beef people have with me is the conception that I votehop and therefore don't care who gets lynched as long as it's not me. If that's what people want to think then whatever.

@ ac1983fan

I could functionally vote you as well. Why were you not present in the thread at all in the last few days of D1?

This bothers me as well. Just because you claimed a PR before deadline doesn't mean you should just sit back and expect to be okay, especially with a weak one that multiple people wanted to lynch anyway.

Vote: ac1983fan

This guy literally wants to lynch anybody. NC gains steam, hes on there. acfan gains steam hes on there, acfan loses steam jumps back to NC. hap wants to lead a wagon against me, hey maybe we can get some support!

The only thing worth Toomai's vote is any potential lynch.

For the record, for the last few pages I have been receptive towards lynching two people:

• NicCage, because he started out scummy and now seems to be lurking, maybe hoping his wagon goes away. Since his wagon has been omnipresent throughout the day, lynching him would probably provide a good amount of information.
• ac1983fan, because of the persuasive case posted and the weird claim (though I am still unsure whether to believe it).

I don't currently want to lynch Scott Brosius since I'm still kind of undecided on him; I was suggesting we might be able to start a wagon because it might generate more useful information.

You have me convinced. I felt there was going to be at least one scum in the set of not-common-posters and the evidence seems legit.

Vote: ac1983fan

Well I guess I'll go back to where I was then.

Vote: NicCage

That said, 1-Shot Doctor seems like a really weird claim to me. It's weak and unusual enough that it doesn't look like something that would be faked, but in the same way it's far easier to explain why he's not being killed (since if the claim is true the Mafia probably would like to keep him around for a while to keep suspicion high, as opposed to a full Doctor claim which would make everyone expect instant death).

I agree with the people suggesting that scum has no reason to update a claim to add "Weak".

Unvote

While I try to figure out who to vote I'll note that JRD seems to have shifted into a rather offensive state. Feels somewhat different than Day 1 style.

He has never once stayed on a wagon for mafia/voted one up. He goes from voting AC to not because (Oh everyone is backing off I am backing off to let me go back to NicCage) where from what it looks like stayed there for the lynch. He has been pointing fingers all game without much of a sight on any scum reads he had from his first scum read post which mainly consisted of him thinking Varsoon was scum (basicly his only scum read other then GCBC and a few iffies) but he never followed in his pursuit hardly to get the one person he though was for sure scummy? Since day one he voted varsoon and wanted to get him lynched but no case and it was his top scum read? At least I had two main scum reads and that was NicCage and Scott but unfortunatly Nic wasn't what I thought and a townie died, but we did end up getting one of the scum thanks to JFR.

[GoodCopBadCop]

CP who did you protect?

JFR who did you track?

Scott is still a likely partner of acfan.

- GC

[Toomai]

Y'know what fine.

Vote: Toomai

I currently have no idea what I'm doing. I will be a liability to the town until I flip or do a full reread (which will take a few days). We have two mislyches to give so go ahead and use one.

[Cheery Pie]

I'm the head that's been caught up with RL business a bit too much lately, re-reading Day 3 to see where would be a good place to go today.

[Cheery Pie]

@ CP - can you please confirm you are actually Doc and not a JK?

I protected you last night again sweet-cheeks. Should I

really

have to confirm this? I need to catch up a bit here, but have you full claimed or were you only a 1-shot?

CP who did you protect?

JFR who did you track?

Scott is still a likely partner of acfan.

- GC

Protected Jake with the Rainbows. I need to check on where this Scott business comes from, we're of the opinion that Toomai is the best lynch for today.

Y'know what fine.

Vote: Toomai

I currently have no idea what I'm doing. I will be a liability to the town until I flip or do a full reread (which will take a few days). We have two mislyches to give so go ahead and use one.

AtE before there's even a vote on you?

Well okay, I'll bite and help you cue up your "mislynch".

VOTE: Tomai

[Cheery Pie]

...and by "Tomai" I mean VOTE: Toomai

[GoodCopBadCop]

Y'know what fine.

Vote: Toomai

I currently have no idea what I'm doing. I will be a liability to the town until I flip or do a full reread (which will take a few days). We have two mislyches to give so go ahead and use one.

Replace out instead of wasting our lynches.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Cheery Pie - You said you protected me Night 1 because of my experience. Scott, Rainbow and Kuribo are all more experienced than I am. Why protect me over them?

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

and Hp according to his join date.

- GC

[Scott Brosius]

With a second evil-doer dead, you all went to sleep hoping that you could go back to your ordinary lives tomorrow. Eight of you woke up with that same hope, one didn't.

Hapahauli,

Vanilla Townie

, killed Night 3

Votecount 4.1

Not voting: GoodCopBadCop, Dyslexicon, Cheery Pie, Jake from Rainbowdash, Varsoon, Scott Brosius, Daemon385, Toomai (8)

With 8 Alive, it takes 4 to Lynch

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2013-06-17 13:00:00)

Shouldn't it be 5 to lynch?

You're right. It is 5 to lynch

CP is 99% town with hp flip.

Not changing my tune here, Toomai needs rope. Again in D4 proving to jump on the easiest wagon or any wagon that seems it could get any support, yet the only time this didn't happen was the acfan wagon. The stalling of WELL IF YOU GUYS WANNA WAIT WHILE I REREAD reeks of buying time to hopefully forget about him.

Vote: toomai

Daemon's interaction with acfan is questionable as well, barely mentioning D1, then absolutely no mention of him on D2 when he was obviously the focal point of discussion.

[Antagon]

So, before I start posting a lot of walls, can someone give me a summary of the game so far?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Nic was run up d1
Hapa made a case on AC and almost got lynched
AC claimed 1 shot doc, we lynched NIc
D2 I caught AC killing kuribo, we lynched him
D3 h leaves claimed 4 shot Joat. After conving people his claim was bullshit he self hammered.

CP/myself are conf.town.

There's probably more but that's an amouse bouche

[Daemon385]

Y'know what fine.

Vote: Toomai

I currently have no idea what I'm doing. I will be a liability to the town until I flip or do a full reread (which will take a few days). We have two mislyches to give so go ahead and use one.

Replace out instead of wasting our lynches.

- GC

In my opinion he is doing this because:
A.He is town and is just giving up or trying to show he is helpess in showing proof and not getting lynched.
B.He is scum or otherwise trying to throw some weight of him with a "OMG i'm town get of my back jeez" type of vote

[Cheery Pie]

@Cheery Pie - You said you protected me Night 1 because of my experience. Scott, Rainbow and Kuribo are all more experienced than I am. Why protect me over them?

- GC

and Hp according to his join date.

- GC

Join date wasn't the only factor, it was also deciding on a player who was experienced

and

likely to be town.

Not choosing folks like Scott, hp and Rainbow reflect our Day 1 uncertainty on those slots. Also, although Hapa was being very active and - for the most part - a townread, his posts towards the end of the Day determined that we'd prefer to protect an experienced town slot.

We almost switched to Kuribo, but the discussion over doing so was cut short when the Night ended earlier...

[Dyslexicon]

Can someone explain why CP and Jakedash is Conf.town? I agree there is very little chance of scum among them though.

I've had a towny read on Daemon throughout the game. But it's more due to having similar thoughts, so I usually follow his logic easily, and probably not the best reasoning for having him as town. Will ISO when I have the time.

Scum is most likely between Toomai and Scott, leaning Toomai for me. The lazy finger pointing reminds me of acfan, and the self vote is unproductive *hands kleenex*. The biggest thing is the wagon hopping, especially jumping off the acfan wagon. Meh.

We also have Antagon (hi). Who is just null to me atm. Varsoon was fun, but never really convinced me, despite saying he was town all the time.

[Cheery Pie]

Can someone explain why CP and Jakedash is Conf.town?

Dunno why Jake described both of us as confirmed town. Although I can hazard a guess that with no kills Night 2, myself claiming to have protected Jake, then it seems likely scum targeted Jake-y and weren't successful.

There is of course a chance that scum didn't target anyone, which adds an element of uncertainty. Although that would still leave Jake and myself as likely the same alignment, and given Jake's strong turnaround on ac1983 Day 2 to see him lynched and flip scum then there's every chance that we're both being truthful.

Unless I've missed something, or there are hidden claims out there, then it's most likely we're both town. If scum no-killed Night 2 then at the very least Jake is likely town and, barring slightly far-fetched alternatives like me lying about protecting Jake in order to ride it out with him as long as possible and no actual town protective roles choosing to CC, then it's pretty likely I'm town as well.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Balance wise, we are town cause neighborizer which is a shit role. Tracker/doctor.

No other power with a RB for scum.

Aside from that, I helped town lynch 2 scum.

Doc/neighborizer isn't enough for a RB

Tracker/neighborizer isn't either.

The only real question mark is do we think hp was bussing Scott for town cred or not.

I'm leaning no, but it's entirely possible

[GoodCopBadCop]

It's possible that JFR is mafia traitor so they aren't conf town.

@Rainbow

- Who did you track last night?
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I agree that Toomai is our best option atm.

- GC

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

It's possible that JFR is mafia traitor so they aren't conf town.

@Rainbow

- Who did you track last night?

Its called game balance, stop being foalish. A RB against a neighborizer (weak role made even weaker by compulsive) and just doc? No. Drop the RB and this was close to runnable as stands.

Also im going to just progress with claims some more, we are full tracker (one shot was an attempt to kill dodge after

somepony

claimed early). N2 was a Dyslx track, N3 Varsoon. Got a "no result" <insert complaining about how this is a wrong result for mods to give here> on both. Chances are they were both "went nowhere" though.

Varsoon slot is confirmed town (if he is a ninja I have a major bone to pick with other reviewers). Dyslx is probably town as it would have required N2 for scum to have RBed and killed us, or hp used both actions (rare this is allowed even). That result is probably the only reason he isn't being made dead this instant.

@Toom - If we lynch not you and it doesn't end the game, we are just going to track you tonight? Kay?

Vote Daemon

His iso basically reads "waffle waffle waffle vote town waffle waffle". Im not a big fan of breakfast foods, my breakfast is basically a couple cups of tea.

So basically

1) CP is confirmed town
2) Varsoon is confirmed town
3) Dyslx is very likey town
---gap---
4) GCBC is probably town
5) SB is probably town

But hey... 80% playing random win here, even discounting Dyslx role info. And some of yall doubted massclaim, sure I can abuse it as scum but I know when to use it as town.

[GoodCopBadCop]

Why not track Toomai/ SB?

- GC