Newbie 1381 Oakhaven is Overrun Game Over

Malakittens · Post Post #100 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:29 pm

In post 93, Malakittens wrote:Replacing out is a null tell.

Jmo. Do you still think Thane is scum? You're barely hunting to me and your vote for pressure is now not needed because Thane is actually producing content etc.

Jmo answer.

jmo16mla · Post Post #101 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:32 pm

Nah, thane can still be scum. Why does my vote bother you?

Greywing · Post Post #102 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:34 pm

In post 98, talah wrote:For now,
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Greywing

Some good analysis coming from GW, maybe a bit
too
good? I wonder if he's missed out on tentatively reading anyone yet?

So...I'm scum because I'm a decent player?

jmo16mla · Post Post #103 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:36 pm

I think you missed the part where he said maybe too good..

Malakittens · Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:40 pm

It doesn't. I want to know where you stand with reads. Your vote is just weak because it was for 'pressure' now there's no reason for it to stay.

jmo16mla · Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:41 pm

Where did I say it was a pressure vote?

Malakittens · Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:50 pm

Because that's what it looks like.

jmo16mla · Post Post #107 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:55 pm

No. He wasn't contributing, and not taking any stances. Typical of newer scum.

Malakittens · Post Post #108 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:59 pm

Yes and now he is doing both. As I said before new-town does the same.. You're not considering that either.

jmo16mla · Post Post #109 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:39 pm

Why are you so concerned?

Malakittens · Post Post #110 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:00 pm

You already asked me this. I'm not, but I don't want you to flip scum looking for an easy target.

Honey bee · Post Post #111 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:32 pm

In post 98, talah wrote: VOTE: Greywing

Some good analysis coming from GW, maybe a bit
too
good? I wonder if he's missed out on tentatively reading anyone yet?

Excuse me, WHAT? I have no idea what this is suppose to mean or how its scummy. Like either you are working on some higher level thinking or this just makes no sense.

Also thank you for replacing in. : D

Malakittens wrote: I'm not, but I don't want you to flip scum looking for an easy target.

Uh this sentence is really weirdly worded. Are you saying he's mafia because he's picking on easy people or are you criticizing his play? And "I don't want you to flip scum"? I'm not sure what you're line of questioning is trying to lead to.

Thane doesn't really seem that bad to me, I think he just suffers from being too wordy. He did say after all he was having trouble making reads. And the first part I agree with: It seemed strange that he took the opportunity of voting thane after being asked for a read on him.

Greywing last few posts were good so you're no longer on my bad list. Tybalt I'm still happy with though (will you acknowledge me plz?). also more jmo reads would still be nice, or at least sell me on thane because I don't see it.
Mothrax, how do you feel about grey now?

Malakittens · Post Post #112 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:42 pm

Meaning.. If he ends up flipping scum and I didn't push hard enough - ill be annoyed at myself.

So it's kinda like I think he could be scum going after an easy target and I don't want to not push and allow him to slide straight by incase he's actually scum.

I think I need sleep

Honey bee · Post Post #113 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:45 pm

oh lol okay, I understand.

talah · Post Post #114 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:48 pm

In post 111, Honey bee wrote:
In post 98, talah wrote: VOTE: Greywing

Some good analysis coming from GW, maybe a bit
too
good? I wonder if he's missed out on tentatively reading anyone yet?
Excuse me, WHAT? I have no idea what this is suppose to mean or how its scummy. Like either you are working on some higher level thinking or this just makes no sense.

HA! Indeed, I think I was a bit hasty with my faux-RVS on Greywing. Looking back over the thread I can see he actually questioned the basis of a vote from Thane on Luigi (which is now me), so that's a major point in his favour, soft as the defence was.

UNVOTE: Greywing

Mala, Mala, Mala. Thanks for being welcoming, but I think this is Freudian, despite (or perhaps because of) needing sleep, and your explanation doesn't make sense:

In post 110, Malakittens wrote:You already asked me this. I'm not, but
I don't want you to flip scum
looking for an easy target.

You've also placed the Finger of Suspicion (by stating as scum-read), on Luigi (now me).

Lastly, you've been LynchCounting:

In post 87, Malakittens wrote:
In post 83, mothrax wrote:Plus Luigi's vote puts Thane at L-2 and as I said it looks like an opportunist jump.

I don't know that Town would bother - it feels a bit wrong to me either way.

VOTE: Malakittens

PS. Preview's working now; must have been technical difficulties.

talah · Post Post #115 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:02 pm

Apologies, EBWODP - quote tags wrong.

In post 87, Malakittens wrote: Jmo's vote looked like a pressure vote. It didn't bother me, but Luigi's vote did.

Plus
Luigi's vote puts Thane at L-2
and as I said it looks like an opportunist jump.

talah · Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:37 am

So really.. timezones notwithstanding.. I need to triple-post for a reaction?

Let's just win the 'quickest knewb game' award by lynching Mala and Thane in quick succession.

(caveat -

@Mala

, you said you were V/LA for a couple of days so I'm prepared to wait for a non-sleep-deprived explanation, if you have one.
)

@Thane

, can you explain please why you think Mala would defend your position; in theory if you are Town. You also promised thread activity in Post 62, which hasn't eventuated yet. Here's your chance.

mothrax · Post Post #117 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:39 am

Not seeing the mala case... Who did you replace again?

talah · Post Post #118 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:53 am

I replaced 'Luigilewis889'.

talah · Post Post #119 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:04 am

So also mothrax, in saying that you're not seeing the Mala case, does that mean that you *do* actually see a case for Thane?

mothrax · Post Post #120 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:34 am

Not particularly no.

Grey is my top scumread ATM, but I need to reread the last couple of pages. I didn't like luigi and your case on mala seems reaching.

Malakittens · Post Post #121 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:47 am

In post 115, talah wrote:Apologies, EBWODP - quote tags wrong.

In post 87, Malakittens wrote: Jmo's vote looked like a pressure vote. It didn't bother me, but Luigi's vote did.

Plus
Luigi's vote puts Thane at L-2
and as I said it looks like an opportunist jump.

Wait, you're voting me because I'm caring about your prior slot putting someone at L-2?

I'm not sure what type of response you are expecting from me in regards to this. I could suggest you meta me regarding this, but it's your call. I don't like early L-1/L-2 wagons because there's not much information to go off in-case of a quick lynch. If there's a flip (regardless of alignment) due to interactions with everyone it brings me one step closer to figuring out the scum from town members.

talah · Post Post #122 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:52 am

In post 120, mothrax wrote:Not particularly no.

Grey is my top scumread ATM, but I need to reread the last couple of pages. I didn't like luigi and your case on mala seems reaching.

Not sure about Greywing. Honeybee seems alright at this stage too.

As I was looking through earlier to get some opinions I found myself with a +1 or 2 scummy on Luigi... and then realised I'd subbed in for same

So TBH my arguments regarding Mala / Thane voting him seem to have been probably more null than anything. I'd really like to quiz Mala on her idea that she wanted to prevent a 'scumflip', however. Even if it does seem a reach, the answer might be important. If (s?)he's V/LA at the moment I may need to focus elsewhere and ask again later.

Just asking, and not saying in this case it's relevant, but can V/LA at times be used as a tool to avoid questions?

Malakittens · Post Post #123 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:58 am

When I go V/LA it's not faked. I was supposed to go over to a friends house and I don't have a laptop anymore which means I have only my Iphone. I can't even receive texts/calls when I'm there and her internet always dc's me so the only time I can read is when we go to town to get food.

Yes, sometimes it's used as a tool, but it likely depends on the person. For me, it's not the case though. :/

I haven't bee on V/LA for a while because that was last week although I'm going over there Wednesday morning til early Thursday, but because it's a day I won't bother putting V/LA.

____

I never said I wanted to 'prevent' a scum flip. I am very paranoid that JMO's vote on Thane is just sitting there. I don't feel that he's hunting anyone else and that his vote is just sitting on Thane. If JMO happens to flip scum and I didn't push *this* case hard enough - I'll be pissed off because I let him slide by halfway unnoticed.

talah · Post Post #124 (ISO) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:12 am

In post 121, Malakittens wrote:
Wait, you're voting me because I'm caring about your prior slot putting someone at L-2?

I'm not sure what type of response you are expecting from me in regards to this. I could suggest you meta me regarding this, but it's your call. I don't like early L-1/L-2 wagons because there's not much information to go off in-case of a quick lynch. If there's a flip (regardless of alignment) due to interactions with everyone it brings me one step closer to figuring out the scum from town members.

Well, no, I'm not voting for you to be lynched because of

your vote

on the previous slot exactly. I only know that the previous slot is now my slot, which is Town (and which Scum would know, and therefore be a target of). However, Luigi was abrasive so that's a very very weak tell for me to criticise you voting against.

I also admit I'm reaching by questioning the 'don't want you to flip scum' quote itself, but the answer was incoherent, if you don't mind me saying (which I'm sure you shouldn't):

Malakittens wrote: I'm not, but I don't want you to flip scum looking for an easy target.

In post 112, Malakittens wrote:Meaning.. If he ends up flipping scum and I didn't push hard enough - ill be annoyed at myself.

So it's kinda like I think he could be scum going after an easy target and I don't want to not push and allow him to slide straight by incase he's actually scum.

I think I need sleep

Regarding lynch-vote-counting, it's not so much that my predecessor placed a vote which you then disliked. More the fact that a vote post had not been recently submitted by the mod and you were able to quote it immediately without saying 'I checked back on the vote count and.. Thane is L-2'. I would imagine that this might be something that a mafia role would be more aware of in post-RVS Day 1, and I hadn't thought about it except slightly and certainly not to cite in-thread. But then again, I subbed in and might be skewed... so looking forward to analysis on my own contributions.