Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Mafia Game Over

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake- I'm still not sure. ~Feelings~ keep getting in the way. I just completely disagree with the reasoning he uses and... the whole OMGUS and modkill things are just so weird! Could you link me to a game where you behave similar to this. Also, what caused the change in opinion from this post?

I am not sure what you are referring to with the "change in opinion" and the link to another game. There is no change in opinion that I see.


modkill? - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4760926 or http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4903831

I am a player who plays by the rules. What you did was purposely altered his posts by trying to insert hidden messages. If you don't see where that is wrong, well you and I will never see eye to eye. That is just bad play if you are town, even if you meant it as a joke,

I'm not going through my games for OMGUS, omgus is all taken in context of the situation. I make valid points about you and you call me scum, that's not pro-town omgus. If I was making up lies and you OMGUS'd me that would be pro-town OMGUS.

[Jake from State Farm]

But it's a lie he refuses to acknowledge

how does he lie again?

[Lord Mhork]

Don't worry Fuzzy, it's great.

I may get back to Penguin later, but she's not who I want to focus on right now.

Unvote

Vote: Lord Mhork

(I'm sorry )

First, if you could link me to the game where you behaved similar to Saint, that would be great.

The vote is pretty much because the way he goes all out on Saint in 69, suddenly finding EVERYTHING scummy makes it seem more like scum deciding they want to attack a player (Saint) and then attacking whatever they can, rather than town trying to read the player.

I also find Ghostlin suspicious because of how he only considers there to be two possible suspects (more like scum focusing on who they want to attack than town trying to read every player. PoE is very unlikely at this stage of the game). Also, there's just a lack of town-ness to his posts that makes me really want him to vote him even though there's not all that much I have on him.

OH ANOTHER MHORK VOTE
NICE
THAT FITS INTO MY TOWNREAD ON AA

AA + BUTTERNUT, VOTING BLOC? PLZ? Seriously, I think you're both town with me, and we can get something done. Tentatively adding Deasvail to that list, because I like how offtopic she was reacting to Dr.P in glancing because where Dr.P bolded it I saw it already... it COULD be read as parroting, but I actually get townie vibes from that clubbing comment... just so out of place for a harry potter game, that I don't see it as scum

This is Saint quoting DeasVail and saying it proves that ArcAngel is town. I've brought it up a couple times, but rather than answer me Saint just sits and says I'm being hypocritical and making things up. He's ignoring me, slinging mud, and generally being a dick about it. He's also grossly misrepresenting my case against him and playing emotions to win over the town.

DeasVail, I'm scum now?

[Jake from State Farm]

I still don't see the lie. I'll need my handy dandy laptop for this one. That means maybe tonight, but my daughter turned 9 today and we are going out for dinner.

[DeasVail]

Being anti-town has nothing to do with being scum, so your point there is lost on me.

In the post I linked you say that you can't explain gut, whereas here you seek to explain it in depth at the first opportunity. My current explanation for the difference is that who you are scum, so want to show how town you are by having reasoning. Show me why I'm wrong.

Who decides whether or not your points are valid? You? If so, how will they ever be not valid? No one can ever pro-town OMGUS you then. I have already expressed my opinion that they are not valid. And the fact is that I'm town so I'm confident in you being wrong.

And yes, I realised soon after you replaced in that we'll be clashing for most of the game. If we're both town, then we'll just have to work around it.

When I asked you for links, I didn't mean your modkill requests exactly (although I believe what I did is completely different from insulting someone), but just your general behaviour in regard to a scumread. It's up to you though. It's not mandatory.

Mhork, I think we established that I think you're scum a while back.

[Lord Mhork]

Then why were you asking me not to vote you? Why do you think I'm scum, anyway?

Well not so much a lie, but there is something inherently dishonest about making up a read using someone else's post. There's also the slight lie about my case against him. That is, that it doesn't exist.

[Jake from State Farm]

This is Saint quoting DeasVail and saying it proves that ArcAngel is town. I've brought it up a couple times, but rather than answer me Saint just sits and says I'm being hypocritical and making things up. He's ignoring me, slinging mud, and generally being a dick about it. He's also grossly misrepresenting my case against him and playing emotions to win over the town.

ok, can you help me out here cause I went to that quote and kept reading and didn't see you say anything other than something about OMGUS.

I just need to focus.

1. tell me what lie Saint supposedly said, if you want to link it to me that's even better
2. what is the issue with Saint quoting Desa proving AA9 is town?
3, tell me what post number to start reading from RE: ignoring you/slinging mud

if you help me with this i promise I will read it before I go to bed tonight (as long as you get it up in the next hour)

2 late nights and I am exhausted and am planning to be in bed by 10:00 east coast if I can help it

Thanks

[DeasVail]

Then why were you asking me not to vote you? Why do you think I'm scum, anyway?

Because one less vote on me is good, right? (And besides, you could still be town)

The next question has already been covered.

[fuzzybutternut]

Jake- I'm still not sure. ~Feelings~ keep getting in the way. I just completely disagree with the reasoning he uses and... the whole OMGUS and modkill things are just so weird! Could you link me to a game where you behave similar to this. Also, what caused the change in opinion from this post?

I am not sure what you are referring to with the "change in opinion" and the link to another game. There is no change in opinion that I see.


modkill? - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4760926 or http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4903831

I am a player who plays by the rules. What you did was purposely altered his posts by trying to insert hidden messages. If you don't see where that is wrong, well you and I will never see eye to eye. That is just bad play if you are town, even if you meant it as a joke,

I'm not going through my games for OMGUS, omgus is all taken in context of the situation. I make valid points about you and you call me scum, that's not pro-town omgus. If I was making up lies and you OMGUS'd me that would be pro-town OMGUS.

Jake, just drop the whole modkill thing. Seriously, I didn't even taken seriously. I knew it was a joke, and found it to be rather clever. So shhh.

[Lord Mhork]

This is Saint quoting DeasVail and saying it proves that ArcAngel is town. I've brought it up a couple times, but rather than answer me Saint just sits and says I'm being hypocritical and making things up. He's ignoring me, slinging mud, and generally being a dick about it. He's also grossly misrepresenting my case against him and playing emotions to win over the town.

ok, can you help me out here cause I went to that quote and kept reading and didn't see you say anything other than something about OMGUS.

I just need to focus.

1. tell me what lie Saint supposedly said, if you want to link it to me that's even better

The lie is essentially that I'm being a hypocrite without a case and that my case is only self meta I'm forcing on him. He is ignoring anything I post and using AtE to try to get the town on his side.

2. what is the issue with Saint quoting Desa proving AA9 is town?

Don't worry Fuzzy, it's great.

I may get back to Penguin later, but she's not who I want to focus on right now.

Unvote

Vote: Lord Mhork

(I'm sorry )

First, if you could link me to the game where you behaved similar to Saint, that would be great.

The vote is pretty much because the way he goes all out on Saint in 69, suddenly finding EVERYTHING scummy makes it seem more like scum deciding they want to attack a player (Saint) and then attacking whatever they can, rather than town trying to read the player.

I also find Ghostlin suspicious because of how he only considers there to be two possible suspects (more like scum focusing on who they want to attack than town trying to read every player. PoE is very unlikely at this stage of the game). Also, there's just a lack of town-ness to his posts that makes me really want him to vote him even though there's not all that much I have on him.

OH ANOTHER MHORK VOTE
NICE
THAT FITS INTO MY TOWNREAD ON AA

AA + BUTTERNUT, VOTING BLOC? PLZ? Seriously, I think you're both town with me, and we can get something done. Tentatively adding Deasvail to that list, because I like how offtopic she was reacting to Dr.P in glancing because where Dr.P bolded it I saw it already... it COULD be read as parroting, but I actually get townie vibes from that clubbing comment... just so out of place for a harry potter game, that I don't see it as scum

It's not that what DeasVail said makes ArcAngel look townie. It's that Saint takes this post, makes it sound as though ArcAngel posted it, and declares it as further proof of his town read on her. Not only that, but he's unapologetic of this mistake, so I get the vibe he isn't really reading the players but looking for who would be best designated as town or scum for the sake of lynching (which he has already admitted into taking into account).

The short and sweet is that this post has nothing to with ArcAngel, so it makes no sense.

3, tell me what post number to start reading from RE: ignoring you/slinging mud

65 is when he first says I have no reasoning. 87 is where he says again that I have no reasoning and that I'd be good policy lynch bait. 89 he again points out my lack of reasoning and steps it up by calling me a hypocrite. 111 he says that my only reason for voting him is hyperimposed meta (which, as I've pointed out, is a lie). 143 he says I'm misrepresenting and being hypocritical and now I'm a village idiot.

My favorite part of rereading his ISO is rediscovering the fact that he never gave real reasoning for ArcAngel being town other than one post where she is 'probably' town. Then magically becomes a solid, strong town read. Interesting how that works.

if you help me with this i promise I will read it before I go to bed tonight (as long as you get it up in the next hour)

2 late nights and I am exhausted and am planning to be in bed by 10:00 east coast if I can help it

Thanks

Night then, Jake.

[Lord Mhork]

Ugh. Dat quoting fail. Whatever. It's late...

[Lord Mhork]

Bonus issue with Saint's "solid" town read on ArcAngel, she has made 5 posts, none of which give a particularly townie vibe.

[Lord Mhork]

Bonus issue with Saint's "solid" town read on ArcAngel, she has made 5 posts, none of which give a particularly townie vibe.

[Nexus]

Mac has requested replacement and been replaced by RachMarie.

SafetyDance and DoctorPepper have been prodded.

[Lord Mhork]

Hiya, RachMarie. How are things?

[fuzzybutternut]

Hey Rach!

[Ghostlin]

I have to admit, the whole 'DV should be modkilled for a joke' seems like an odd push and almost overboard.

[penguin_alien]

Hey, ArcAngel9, why zero comments on anything past RVS? An opinion on Saint vs. Lord Mhork? Or anything else?

Jake from State Farm, your push on DeasVail doesn't track from an outside perspective. Is there some play history you have with him that makes you think what you're pointing out goes with him being scum? And I'm not sure why you don't see the problem with Saint going 'This quote here from ArcAngel9 [insert quote from DeasVail] is something town would say, so ArcAngel9 must be town.' If it's a mistake, fine, but why not acknowledge it promptly? It's easy to pull the wrong quote when assembling a post, but trying to hold onto a read with a demonstrable lack of basis isn't symptomatic of town trying to establish genuine reads.

Saint, first you find DeasVail's quote (the one attributed to AA9) very towny, you continually list him as a town read, and then off the fact that he asked you to back up the perfunctory moving of your vote from ArcAngel9 to SafetyDance, he becomes your top scum read? Can you break that down further? Because while I get keeping your word re: voting the next person who votes you, useless though such a move may be, your settling there for a time wasn't very pro-town and was worth questioning at the least.

[ArcAngel9]

I just got out from a large game people. I ll post my reads today...

Unvote

[DeasVail]

DoctorPepper is a nothing read, Ghostlin is a content-filled nothing read, Saint is a 'I don't even know what's going on, but maybe town' read, and TMT is still scummy but I want to see more.

[RachMarie]

here will read up should not take too long fairly short here.

[DeasVail]

oh yes, thanks for replacing in Rach.

[RachMarie]

could we slow down the wagon here and give me a chance to catch my breath LOL .

I feel pretty good that Mhork is likely to be town. Not too many redheads serve he who must not be named ... and I am definitely not seeing the case on him here. I will find some games I have been in with him one is scum one is town and I was sure he was scum in that one too lol. Good thing Thor replaced in when he did.

Will do some ISOing and see who I think is on the dark side of things.

yeah I LOVE HP which is why I replaced into this game.

Loved the Dobby reference lol.

[RachMarie]

I will say that I know PA is pretty good at being scum and I can provide a couple examples of that. Also have games with DV.

and Fuzzy...

and Arc

lol not too many here I dont know

Saint is one so will have to do some meta stalking on him.

[Jake from State Farm]

I have to admit, the whole 'DV should be modkilled for a joke' seems like an odd push and almost overboard.

I'm not pushing for him to be modkilled

@penguin - I've never played with deas, idk why you thing my push on him is based on something other than his content in THIS game.