League of Legends (Old)

[GreyICE]

JD, I understand the logic behind Hybrid pen, but are you really looking to AA that much with Sona? I mean, yes your powerchords, but they scale better with flat magic pen. And realistically, that's the only time you're going to be looking to be in AA range against most lanes.

I'd understand Hybrid pen more on someone like Nami, whose main harass is AAs, and her E is a great harass tool. I'd just go straight magic pen reds on Sona.

I'm pretty sure there are more things wrong with this post than there are things right with it.

Isn't that the sort of crappy, passive-aggressive cop out we lynch people for in Mafia games DRK?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

JD, I understand the logic behind Hybrid pen, but are you really looking to AA that much with Sona? I mean, yes your powerchords, but they scale better with flat magic pen. And realistically, that's the only time you're going to be looking to be in AA range against most lanes.

I'd understand Hybrid pen more on someone like Nami, whose main harass is AAs, and her E is a great harass tool. I'd just go straight magic pen reds on Sona.

I'm pretty sure there are more things wrong with this post than there are things right with it.

Isn't that the sort of crappy, passive-aggressive cop out we lynch people for in Mafia games DRK?

Can handle my own, thanks.

[DeathRowKitty]

JD, I understand the logic behind Hybrid pen, but are you really looking to AA that much with Sona? I mean, yes your powerchords, but they scale better with flat magic pen. And realistically, that's the only time you're going to be looking to be in AA range against most lanes.

I'd understand Hybrid pen more on someone like Nami, whose main harass is AAs, and her E is a great harass tool. I'd just go straight magic pen reds on Sona.

LLD made a post, let me go take a shot at it.

Fixed that for you. Either point out what's wrong and put your own opinions on the table, or shut up.

I'm not interested in discussing things with someone who has zero opinion to give.

Given how discussions on LoL theory with you end up, I'm just saving us both a lot of time by not saying anything specific.

You're welcome.



I'll respond to GreyICE's post when I take him off my foe list.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

JD, I understand the logic behind Hybrid pen, but are you really looking to AA that much with Sona? I mean, yes your powerchords, but they scale better with flat magic pen. And realistically, that's the only time you're going to be looking to be in AA range against most lanes.

I'd understand Hybrid pen more on someone like Nami, whose main harass is AAs, and her E is a great harass tool. I'd just go straight magic pen reds on Sona.

LLD made a post, let me go take a shot at it.

Fixed that for you. Either point out what's wrong and put your own opinions on the table, or shut up.

I'm not interested in discussing things with someone who has zero opinion to give.

Given how discussions on LoL theory with you end up, I'm just saving us both a lot of time by not saying anything specific.

You're welcome.



I'll respond to GreyICE's post when I take him off my foe list.

Then save us both a lot of time and stop taking pot shots.

Either say it to my face, or stop being a passive aggressive bitch and shut up.

[DeathRowKitty]

That would save way too much time. I'm not

that

nice.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I don't play Sona, so I'm completely unqualified to make this statement and may, in fact, be entirely off-base. However, isn't auto-attack harass kinda sona's thing?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't play Sona, so I'm completely unqualified to make this statement and may, in fact, be entirely off-base. However, isn't auto-attack harass kinda sona's thing?

Power Chord harass is her thing. But it's a question of whether you do enough physical damage in your Power Chords to offset the Magic damage of Power chord and Q.

It's not, unless you're auto attacking outside your Power chords frequently. See the link I posted for Hybrid Pen vs. Magic pen.

[PJ.]

Look, LLD is pretty much at least 50% wrong about everything she says, like most people in the thread. I vote we keep this thread to listening to JD talk about supporting in silver 5, post game screenshots, brawl guy QQing, ect. No one who actually posts in this thread about theory knows any of what they are talking about, which is why all the players who generally do know what's happening, don't post here. So yeah. keep your garbage theory-crafting to yourself, everyone.

[Ankamius]

Rockets

[JDodge]

asl;kl;as

[TehBrawlGuy]

Look, LLD is pretty much at least 50% wrong about everything she says, like most people in the thread. I vote we keep this thread to listening to JD talk about supporting in silver 5, post game screenshots, brawl guy QQing, ect. No one who actually posts in this thread about theory knows any of what they are talking about, which is why all the players who generally do know what's happening, don't post here. So yeah. keep your garbage theory-crafting to yourself, everyone.

Let's bring up one day that happened ~1/3rd of a year ago! It's not like your iso isn't full of bitching about the system and the players keeping you in Silver, or anything.

But if we want to bring up old things....

y, Fuck you and enjoy silver 4 that you "didn't deserve to eb in" or whatever fucking bullshit story . I already ignored you on the league client. You're a bad that needs to be carried past low silver and doesn't even realize he's bad.

Hey everyone in this thread, i'm a toxic player. Is it news?

Hey everyone in this thread beside the 4 gold players, I'm better than you so suck my little weiner.

smd

[DeathRowKitty]

I love this thread.

[DeathRowKitty]

Look, it's yarn :3

[PJ.]

Look, LLD is pretty much at least 50% wrong about everything she says, like most people in the thread. I vote we keep this thread to listening to JD talk about supporting in silver 5, post game screenshots, brawl guy QQing, ect. No one who actually posts in this thread about theory knows any of what they are talking about, which is why all the players who generally do know what's happening, don't post here. So yeah. keep your garbage theory-crafting to yourself, everyone.

Let's bring up one day that happened ~1/3rd of a year ago! It's not like your iso isn't full of bitching about the system and the players keeping you in Silver, or anything.

But if we want to bring up old things....

y, Fuck you and enjoy silver 4 that you "didn't deserve to eb in" or whatever fucking bullshit story . I already ignored you on the league client. You're a bad that needs to be carried past low silver and doesn't even realize he's bad.

Hey everyone in this thread, i'm a toxic player. Is it news?

Hey everyone in this thread beside the 4 gold players, I'm better than you so suck my little weiner.

smd

Umm, I prefer to QQ then talk about theory that is wrong 100% of the time.

[DeathRowKitty]

Aw, it's so cuuuuuuuuute!!!
Meow meow ^_^

[Ankamius]

[Brandi]

awww DRK is so cute =^-^=
I miss when he had an avatar that wasn't a black space though :c

[Nikanor]

So guys, I've come to realise that atkspd and crit% are pretty much useless on all of the good adcs. With a boots/last whisper/4xbloodthirster build you can have more damage (because your skills will scale better) and more survivability (because of 72% lifesteal). You'll have less movement speed but that won't matter because your lifesteal makes you a tank. There are literally no downsides!

[Ankamius]

Crit chance and Attack speed are 100% required for any ADC building for late game damage. Straight AD is not going to cut it.

Abilities are never a significant source of damage compared to auto attacks for ADCs late game, and there's no way you're not in late game if you have 4 bloodthirsters and a last whisper. This is why Graves sucks late game compared to other ADCs (outranged by close to all of them), since his abilities have a much higher cooldown than a late game ADC's auto attack and do a lot less damage.

Your lifesteal is not going to help you against burst or any damage whatsoever from another ADC. You'll maybe heal for 300 once before you're annihilated. You'll also do less damage each hit and fire far less often.

[PJ.]

score one for nikanor

[mykonian]

JD, I understand the logic behind Hybrid pen, but are you really looking to AA that much with Sona? I mean, yes your powerchords, but they scale better with flat magic pen. And realistically, that's the only time you're going to be looking to be in AA range against most lanes.

I'd understand Hybrid pen more on someone like Nami, whose main harass is AAs, and her E is a great harass tool. I'd just go straight magic pen reds on Sona.

LLD made a post, let me go take a shot at it.

Fixed that for you. Either point out what's wrong and put your own opinions on the table, or shut up.

I'm not interested in discussing things with someone who has zero opinion to give.

Given how discussions on LoL theory with you end up, I'm just saving us both a lot of time by not saying anything specific.

You're welcome.



I'll respond to GreyICE's post when I take him off my foe list.

Then save us both a lot of time and stop taking pot shots.

Either say it to my face, or stop being a passive aggressive bitch and shut up.

He was being nice, LLD. He was honestly trying to be nice. There are basically three ways of reacting to a post that poses something debatable rather strongly (as you did). Either you ignore it, or you call the person who made it for saying something so wrong like it was written in the bible. Or you tell them it might be time to read the bible again and see what it actually says. I think it would suit you to be nice to someone who's trying to be nice to you.

Now, in this case, as you want to know why people might criticize you for your post: the argument that is behind a lot of times where people would pick hybrid pen is because it's only 29% worse, or in whole numbers, you are missing out of 2.5 magic pen and get 8.1 armor pen for it back. And to do the maths you'd have to make an assumption about what their magic resist and armor levels are, and I'm not sure what blue's most botlanes run nowadays, so lets assume they are pretty close. That means you'd have to deal more then 8.1/2.5 damage with magic to actually make it worth it. Blue powerchords help you get that achieve magic damage only past lv7, before that and not having double damage means your attack damage actually makes up more then 1/3 of your power chord damage. There is a case to be made that supports have their biggest effect up till lv6, after which items start to get into play.

Now, obviously Q harrass is magic, and autoattack harrass isn't. I don't know how you play her, but it's a tad hard to land your q on an enemy that often in a lane. Further, I know that 550 range doesn't mean sona is caitlyn, but she gets to hit some stuff. This actually goes for most lanes, your auto's tend to hurt more then their supports, because of your aura. Against a melee support, you generally are given free range to auto things just after they used their hook/stun/cc combo/etc. It pretty much means they are sitting ducks for a couple of seconds in which your team has two threats and they only one. Against a couple of the ranged supports, you want to auto as much as possible, as the likes of lulu and janna are in lane better against the all-in lane (as shield+whimsey/tornado tends to pacify things) and actually have to use too important cooldowns if they would want to deal with your auto's. On the other hand, just trading auto's with a sona is a losing proposition for them, as they won't heal back.

Last point, I'm not sure why you would want to use nami's e on herself. It's much scarier on your adc. The moment you see an enemy out of position, hope your adc sees it as well, give him/her a slow on her auto's which means they won't get away cheaply. There are things I'd rather play then, uhm, draven-nami. What do you mean, Draven gets slows and even more damage on his auto's?


Lastly, I enjoy theory talk here. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it doesn't, but when people argue you can pick out what you like. I'm not going to get better at lol skill wise. Mechanical skill depends on natural ability and a lot of practice. I won't practice a lot, it's just a fun game to me. Practicing dividing my attention to different things on the map is also something, and it's getting better but it's still piss poor. So... the best thing I have to gain any advantage of my opponents is getting an advantage in knowledge. That's something I should be good at. So yes, idea's being thrown in here and discussed help. Some are silly, some are good, and a couple of those I can use.

It's the same reason I liked tournaments. Sometimes a team came up with something new and it has a goal that they show right after that. As a result, I'm currently trying to help my brother poke and kite in 3v3 by running jungle mundo who levels cleaver. I really wouldn't have thought about it if CLG didn't run that jungle mundo. And so far, I think it's actually working. And that's fun!

[TehBrawlGuy]

So guys, I've come to realise that atkspd and crit% are pretty much useless on all of the good adcs. With a boots/last whisper/4xbloodthirster build you can have more damage (because your skills will scale better) and more survivability (because of 72% lifesteal). You'll have less movement speed but that won't matter because your lifesteal makes you a tank. There are literally no downsides!

Graves with Zerkers, 4x Bloodthirster and LW has 550 AD and 1.111 AS at 18.
Graves with Zerkers, 2x BT, PD, LW, IE, has 410 AD and 1.462 AS, along with a 55% chance to crit for 250% damage. *

Mathwise, that's 250% the auto attack damage at the cost of like 200 spell damage. You literally make it up with just your first auto if it crits. Add in quickdraw and it only gets worse for the BT stacking. 36% more lifesteal doesn't matter when you lose 34 MS to get it.


*both these builds are awful, you really do need a defensive item

[RayFrost]

Score two for nikanor.

Ronakin on a role.

[PJ.]

Rayfrost beat me to it.

Also, you know the clamp has you broken down when you FINALLY get a +7 and have to change your pants due to all the excitement.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Rayfrost beat me to it.

Also, you know the clamp has you broken down when you FINALLY get a +7 and have to change your pants due to all the excitement.