Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Mafia Game Over

[Saint]

penguin, i have given up on convincing you and mhork of anything
if you all want to continue being worthless, that's fine
Safety_Dance, however, voted me in RVS and still has his RVS vote up, which makes no sense to me

[Saint]

safety dance hasnt posted in 4 days
needs prodded

[Saint]

I have to admit, the whole 'DV should be modkilled for a joke' seems like an odd push and almost overboard.

I'm not pushing for him to be modkilled

@penguin - I've never played with deas, idk why you thing my push on him is based on something other than his content in THIS game.

Really? The why even make as big of a deal as you WERE making out of it.

Saint #218, lemme ask you this: you like a jump onto me but you don't understand the reasons? You'll have to explain that one to me. Also, if you're that concerned re: me to like the jump, then why?

#222 reads like Town, but there's no reason to be an ass to the guy on V/LA.

well, i have been liking your posting more the last 2 days, as when you're away, other people tend to jump out as being scummier, and you are a breath of fresh air that i miss...
so i retract liking the jump onto you
at the time that i made the post, i was still a bit sore at you from the RVS

why does my #222 read like town to you, Ghostlin?

Saint's probably Town with his playstyle. Scum doesn't necessarily LIKE attracting the amount of attention Saint has, but it seems he's trying to play for more unpleasant player in the game.

Also, I find the whole 'hasn't posted since Monday' ironic considering there are people posting WAY less content than me in this game.

I can be pleasant if someone deserves it

Another thing, I feel like his defence of Saint could easily be applied to me in some of the things he says are scummy about me (e.g. reaction to SD's posts and townread on Saint), so I'm beginning to think that he's only attacking me because he decided to have me as a scumread and defending Saint because he decided to.

nice explanation of what GUTS are^
he has admitted that is his reasoning
why are you extrapolating this point? I don't see what a dissection of the thought process does to benefit the town... could you explain your reason for posting this?

Oh Amrun!!!!!

Please save me from this madness.

Why do people (not just you) kiss the ass of replacements. Let them read/post without any attempt at influencing them.

I tend to vote replacements, unless they are very active (like you)
Amrun, however, I have meta on, so that will be null as per being a replacement... I will have a yes or no read on her

FoS: TMT

for 125

Maybe I'll vote/elaborate/change my mind when I look at things more properly tonight.

PEdit: Ew you can be scum too.

I felt like I was fencesitting on the issue between Mhork and Saint.

Alright, I think you've sufficiently summarized and explained to me why Saint is scum, so I'll retract my townread on Saint.

*Hands you a piece of fence to sit on.* No one reverses their opinion this quickly. Do you have any conviction (in another game, I'd say 'balls') at all?

If I was fencesitting, then explain 125.
It wasn't an opinion, I changed it because I ignored some points that I hadn't looked at earlier.
You completely overreacted to a flip flop and it feels like you're pouncing on a nulltell.

VOTE: Ghostlin

Sorry for not posting, I only got out of the hospital a few days ago.

I'll make a catchup post in a few hours.

i went to the hospital a few days ago

that is not an excuse

Hospitalized for surgery. I don't have a smart phone, and I share my laptop.

Saint: your 211, where does Mhork say you're appealing to emotions?

I don't like AA saying "i'm going to post reads" and then not being here for 8 hours. If I don't see something in the next 12 I'm going to vote there, even if mhork is a great vote regardless of alignment for "acting" dumb

You're saying that's a greater scumtell than your whole thing on Mhork?

not necessarily a scumtell whatsoever, but i don't want to encourage broken promises. people need to be scumhunting, and if they're not, we need to lynch them

He said AtE or aTe... which means appealing to emotions... iso him and you'll find it. iso him, hit search: type in those letters... ???.... profit

If I was fencesitting, then explain 125.
It wasn't an opinion, I changed it because I ignored some points that I hadn't looked at earlier.
You completely overreacted to a flip flop and it feels like you're pouncing on a nulltell.

Flip flop is not a null tell. Flip flop means you've got inconsistent positions. Town have procession of reads and stances.

Scum are generally the ones that go 'gee, I don't know, this might be scummy.'

or they push on meta from other games... ahem... like a few people here are doing. not saying town don't do that, but if mhork can use self meta on others, i'll do that with that.

YAY Amrun ♥

Saint is unfortunately probably town based on his tantrums, but uggh would be good vig bait. Or a good PL if we are close to deadline but in general other than avoiding a NL situation, I am not really fond of PLs, I prefer to focus on finding scumz.

Since I am very familiar with the books, I figure there is probably a mafia PR (Voldemort) and probably 2 goons based on the number of players. The goons most likely would have Death Eater names. I could be wrong though, I know some mods mix it up a bit to make it less obvious.

but the part about one mafia PR of some sort plus 2 goons is a good guess I think based on having 14 players.

this is a shit post
saint is town but should be vigged... yeah, ok
i haven't ever understood that line of thought. let's sacrifice a rook for no reason... yeah, great strategy... for scum
this is blatant scumandeering, too. let's chastise the easy target to gain, not really town cred, but "umbridge" the town.
rachmarie is more like scumbridge. she is posting decrees to walls... well, little missy, wrong fucking book
Voldemort wont be a character whatsoever. Quirrell = Voldemort here, in all likelihood, but stop detracting without solid knowledge. If you want to reread the book, or watch the movie, that's fine... but offering generic shit that I myself have already brought up (you must not be reading, and are therefore a solid PL lynch yourself) is a joke
I am not ever going to unvote this for the rest of the game, unless I have to place it back on another day, or you die (Lord willing)

unvote;
vote: rachmarie

[Saint]

I've decided.

Unvote: Lord Mhork

Vote: Jake from State Farm

Ghostlin's not a terrible vote though.

PEdit: I disagree that flip-flopping is a scumtell, but the way that TMT did it was slightly scummy to me.

this is blatant omgus... why did you wait to do this?

[Saint]

yeah. on page 12 I am 100% certain rachmarie replaced into a scumslot
will have to look into the slot, but here is the general case on her. If you need an explanation, get over it, i'm not going to give away my secrets

1) overly nice - girl trait as scum
2) parroting - #290 copying jake's push on FB (who is 100% town from this exchange if rach is scum) - a la "stirring the pot"
3) IIoA. Twice, now, she has talked about things that aren't relevant, or are misleading subject matter, to try to appear as town. Explaining the setup was a blatant twisting of what is going on, for someone who supposedly knows... I don't buy it... then she goes on to talk about aggro in relation to MMORPGs? Just an excuse to appear knowledgable, and post comments, but it is really giving information without any analysis... or setup talk... whatever the fuck it is called, I see scum do it all the time, and I have played in thousands of mafia games (Teamliquid, alts on here, epicmafia, etc)

furthermore, she has patronized me, and said the same things about me I said about mhork... scum trying to get town modkilled, in all likelihood. very backhanded.
Scum to me are becoming more and more clear

[Saint]

VOTE: DoctorPepper

I don't like Dr Pepper as a drink.

this was the worst RVS vote

VOTE: BROseidon

your vote was rvs; what made you happy to keep it? looks pretty cheap to be honest.

another vote at the first of the post, with reasoning after, like he wanted to vote as opposed to really having reasoning to vote

In retrospect, Bro was confusing due to the fact there is a BROseidon here to. I'm gonna use BRO to refer to player. I shall use Bro, Broseph, or some variation colloquially.

yeah that's cool because you explained it. but he didn't tell us why it was real for now.

The reason this makes it look cheap is cos it just looks like a wagon vote.

This exchange between Mhork and Mac (RACH MARIE'S SLOT) is fishy
Mac has voted Broseidon
Mhork is discussing him, and Mac hops onto it... yeah, buddy, that's fine, kind of talk.

Combine that with Rach pushing Mhork and I as Town Vs Town...
Combine that with Rach pushing ME as the VI when Mhork doesn't have near the I.Q. I do, where my I.Q. is near-mensa level
Combine that with Rach pushing for what our other PRs should do....
OBV SCUM

[Saint]

plus she committed my girl-tell

[Saint]

tl;dr i voted her because she is rude, but i actually have a legitimate case on her. if you all want to "boy who cried wolf" me, whatever, but I have contributed to scumhunting, am being honest, genuine, etc... sooooooo....

if you all lynch me, off of these sheepy RVS + Mhork's idiotic, inane tunneling, PLEASE LYNCH RACH AND MHORK

3rd scum is in Jake/Deasvail interaction, if I had to pick, or a lurker that I don't have a read on, yet

[Saint]

assuming there are 3 scum. i'm going to watch the movie before i go to bed tonight, in like an hour, sleep on it, and wake up refreshed towards this game in terms of subject matter

[DeasVail]

Although he says it is gut, the way that he so easily explains it suggests otherwise, at least it doesn't fit in with my definition of gut.

I've decided that I think his posting is fake, and I also don't buy the explanation for not being able to explain his gut in the other game. There are probably other recent things too that I may have mentioned.

The girl-tell is silly in Rach's case. I agree that wanting you to be vigged is bad though. I'll say more after she responds.

[Amrun]

I'mmmmm replacing! Just got back from balto meet etc. and I travel every weekend for business, so give me some time to settle and soon I will do one big wall dump and then ill play from that point.

[Jake from State Farm]

Although he says it is gut, the way that he so easily explains it suggests otherwise, at least it doesn't fit in with my definition of gut.

I've decided that I think his posting is fake, and I also don't buy the explanation for not being able to explain his gut in the other game. There are probably other recent things too that I may have mentioned.

The girl-tell is silly in Rach's case. I agree that wanting you to be vigged is bad though. I'll say more after she responds.

why would I single you out if I was scum? there is 2 easier targets in mhork and Saint I could have attacked if I were scum and they were town, unless you think the 3 of us are scum together and than I just have to

your posts HONESTLY rubbed me the wrong way. The fact that I was able to quote the posts when asked by someone to do so is suspicious to you, just because I didn't do it in another game when nobody asked me to in that game? really? if you are town.

[DeasVail]

Being asked to explain your gut read isn't so much different from showing someone where your X is scummy (and you've included explanations in the post as well, such as me trying to egg people on and such).

Do you always go for the easiest targets as scum then? Because if not, then you know that's not a valid defence, so you'd only make it if you were scum.

[DeasVail]

urgh I can't make sense, you should be able to work it out though

[Jake from State Farm]

There's a huge difference between games I start & games I replace in. I can't really explain it cause I don't want people to know what it is.

Also that game I was trying to act scummy as purpose, again I don't really want to explain why.

The last scum game I replaced in I went for the easy target, than quickly changed to another easy target who just made it seem like he was active lurking. The scum game before that, I went after lord mhork iirc cause he was lurking and I played a game with him where he lurked as scum so his lurking made him an easy target.

My first scum game my fatal flaw was going after chamber who was obv town and I got lynched.

There's my 3 scum games in a nutshell.

[RachMarie]

i can explain that easily Deas. Normally I have no probs with players but every once in a while one comes along like ahem Kassadin, Raspberry dude, Radiant Cowbells... who are clearly VI material in the game and are probably town but you wish they were scumz so you can lynch them before lylo. Cause you know the scumz wont NK them because they cause too many issues for town. Those are players that I call vig bait. It is a generic term and does not mean there is a vig in any specific game.

I lol'd at being called rude me? I am probably one of the least aggressive players on site.

now look at his cases the one on mhork sucks, and the one on me sucks even worse. Even if I really were being rude, that is most definitely not a scum tell or a town tell that is a null tell. I can point to several players who are way ruder than anything that has happened in this game so far and show that they were town in those games. Have you ever played with Kuribo? He would eat you for breakfast lol.

Seriously Saint VI means Village Idiot, it is a specific term for mafia and has no bearing on your IQ level. I also would dare say that many of the players on MS would qualify for Mensa, we tend to draw a lot of geeky peeps. And besides there is a lot more to being a person than just your IQ.

Iffen you are really town, and I am kinda leaning that you are prob town, you need to look at the bigger picture and not just tunnel mhork and now me.

[DeasVail]

In the new-newbie land you were on Wisdom for a while and he didn't seem like the easiest target.

[RachMarie]

Also I am well aware that in book 1 Voldemort was in spirit form and possessed Quirrel.

My point was with all of that is that I am not sure how strictly the mod stayed to the book and how much he modified it to make it more challenging and to make sure it was balanced.

[Jake from State Farm]

In flavorless mafia, bacde really nailed the difference between my town & scum game and he was dead on. I just can't figure out why I'm unable to replicate my town play when it should be real easy to do, but I can't.

[Jake from State Farm]

In the new-newbie land you were on Wisdom for a while and he didn't seem like the easiest target.

Go look at my first vote, I voted someone else first. Someone who had a wagon forming. Wisdom showed up out of the blue to ask why. I used that to accuse him of active lurking which is a scumtell IMO.

[Jake from State Farm]

That active lurking made him an easy target.

[RachMarie]

I feel the likelihood of 3 scumz is pretty good with 13 players, other setup common in minis is 2 scumz 1 Sk and 10 townies.

Also you post as part of your case that I am overly nice then you call me rude and patronizing

cognitive dissonance there much?

If you have played here a lot you should know who I am and who my fiance is, he has been playing here for over 3 years. And I have been here for over a year.

[DeasVail]

But Xegarus and Majiffy were easier targets, right? (I know Majiffy was your buddy)

And as you said, Saint and Mhork are easier targets here, so it's not at all unexpected that you'd go after me as scum.

There's also the fact that going after easy targets is considered a scumtell, so there'd be reason for you not to go after the easy targets even if you did have a history of doing it.

[RachMarie]

DV did I answer your question well enough or did you need more?

[DeasVail]

Oh sorry, and yeah thanks for responding. It's still a bit of a peeve of mine, but I do understand your reasoning.

I was going to say earlier though, that I've seen town say things like that a lot so I don't think that itself is a scumtell.