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[Mutleyddmc]

And, seriously, guys.

I've seen character claims without roleclaims all the damn time. As both alignments, yes, but more commonly from town, 'cause guess what?

Scum are afraid of the lynch. They're going to fullclaim as soon as they claim. They're going to be feeling the pressure. So if he wants to claim a PR, he already missed his chance. He would have done so already if he were scum.

Since he hasn't, he's town.

I've REALLY got to go right now, but can explain in a moment.

Seriously, though.

"DERP" HAMMERS ARE ALL TOO COMMON WHEN A PLAYER IS AT L-1, SO SOMEBODY UNVOTE AND GIVE ME THREE DAMN HOURS TO SAVE YOU ALL FROM BEING IDIOTS.

this posts makes sense. There is the option of it being defeated scum though. I dont think we have enough time to lynch elsewhere or I might unvote

[ferretlover]

Iff Darthe flips scum then mastin will be the next lynch, amirite?

[pidgey]

ferret you are a funny player

Anyway, no mastin, you are totally wrong, the way darthe claimed is scummy, what does a name have to do with anything? I seriously dont know why you are defending him. So if I claim bret hart right now, would you stop bothering me the while game? What about vincent kennedy mcmahon?

You keep writing paragraphs as to why people should hear you yet you dont really do anything about it, at least ive shown why i find penguin scummy, you are just appealing to how people dont hear and how they dont trust you and how they totally should. I dont know why i feel you might be town this game, but srsly get it together if you are.

Darthe's claim was just a get-off-me attempt. At this point in time, it justs feels as a last ditch effort to stall for time. Im the first in line to want to lynch penguin, but darthe will more than likely have to go. Im just waiting to hear his full claim in case its something extraordinary that can make me reconsider, but that doesnt mean that the last one wasnt horrendous.

[pidgey]

We have less than 24 hours and tomorrow is saturday, so its preferable if we lynch today at night.

[pidgey]

We have less than 24 hours and tomorrow is saturday, so its preferable if we lynch today at night.

[Nexus]

ArcAngel9 has failed to post within the prod limit for the fourth time, so has been replaced by AngryPidgeon.

[AngryPidgeon]

hello, pidgey

[AngryPidgeon]

Im town btw in case that wasn't obvious.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm going to skim mastin's iso and nitpick some stuff out of it to call him scummy for.

[Nero Cain]

hello, pidgey

100% scum post.

Also deadline is approaching so read Darthe ASAP.

[mastin2]

Also, brief rundown of Darthe's theme game play:

In Street Racers, he prematurely claimed. He was a neighbor. He called his slot's previous holder an idiot, invoking the Amished tell. He was town.
In You could be anyone, Darthe was ONE OF THE FIRST TO NAMECLAIM, under no pressure, completely of his own free will. He was town. He only claimed to be a VT when under serious pressure.

And look here. Same behavior.

This is perfectly in-line with Darthe's normal play.

And as to explain in detail why Darthe's town...

As scum, yes, there's the "fakeclaiming good takes an eternity" mindset. However, under pressure, Darthe would fakeclaim with what he had as scum. If he was scum with a PR, he's half-claim, give his fake name, his actual role (or a close town variant), and explain his results in a town manner...WITH HIS CLAIM. If he were scum without a PR (or a scum-only PR) and intended to fakeclaim a role...he'd do the same, only making it up instead of using reality. If he has daytalk (kinda guessing that at least faction would, given that there's apparently a daykilling faction and daykills generally work better with daytalk ), then his scumbuddies could even help him with suggestions as to what to claim. He'd have it prepared in advance, and spring upon us the full claim. Name, role, and how he used it.

If he were scum and intended to claim VT, he would have done so already, because holding out creates cognitive dissonance, as a VT has no reason to delay the claim.

If he were town and a PR, HE HAS EVERY DAMN REASON TO DELAY HIS CLAIM.
If he were town and didn't have a PR, this play is entirely in line with his VT play, in that he wouldn't want to give away that he wasn't a PR. The very act of delaying his claim could attract a nightkill to him via scum thinking he might be a PR, so HE HAS EVERY DAMN REASON TO DELAY HIS CLAIM.

Thus, mindset and meta make it crystal clear--Darthe had absolutely no reason to delay his fullclaim as scum, and EVERY reason to delay his fullclaim as town. It's in line with his overall meta, and a quick search will show you this aspect of him. It's not just a general claim, which doesn't apply to Darthe. It's not just a meta claim which is specific to Darthe. It's the magical hybrid of the two, where they augment each other to

prove

that Darthe is town.

Know how Darthe was my strongest gut townread? He's now my strongest townread in general.

GET YOUR ASSES OFF OF DARTHE AND HELP ME LYNCH PENGUIN_ALIEN!

[AngryPidgeon]

Hey guys, be here in a lil' while. Got other things which're more important to do, and this game's a little bit of a read.

Wow mastin, excusing your inactivity and lurkiness already? Where do I have meta of you doing this? Oh right!, that invitational game.

20. Svenskt Stål PeregrineV
21. Nero Cain
4. Desperado

3. ArcAngel9 ***
16. MonkeyMan576 **

town - scum

Vote: Mac

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Seems like a good place to start. Seems to think both leading wagons are on scum. Has a townread on Nero I am hesitant to believe is legitimate, and PeregrineV being there is equally concerning. Also don't like that Desperado is there, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

A good place to start? Incredibly weak reasoning, and the other beliefs mac seems to have are not scummy in the slightest. Wrong? Priobably. Scummy? thor665.jpg'

Darthe or despo or goat

all these dumbos want a Monkey or Arc lynch.

Good to know Nero's town, too.

Nero, I'm town, so you're fine. Now give me a rundown on Darthe, Desperado, and Goat.

But wait I thought Nero was dubious earlier (or just mac's read on him?) Why did you single out Mac's nero read to bring up?

Dammit, pidgey. You're actually being productive and sound rational.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I EXPECT FROM TOWN YOU.

Mastin's scum buddy detected.

Okay, seriously. Is this a bus?
No?

Well then, get off of Monkey; he's town. Like, seriously. This couldn't be any more painfully obvious. Monkey was already looking town, but this is all you need to confirm it.

Its like you can't make up your mind on GcBc's alignment but you are distancing from them w/o pushing them.

[mastin2]

We have less than 24 hours and tomorrow is saturday, so its preferable if we lynch today at night.

Look.

Darthe is at, what? Seven? Votes.

Penguin_alien is at four.

There are at least two people who are willing to join the Penguin lynch. Which would put penguin_alien at six. One of them is on the Darthe lynch, which would bump him down to six as well.

It would take pathetically little to reverse this into a penguin_alien lynch, because PA is now among the lead counterwagons.

So if you so much as PRETEND that a penguin_alien lynch is out of reach, I'm lynching your ass for lying. This is a viable lynch, and I'll fight my damnedest to make it happen, and avert the Darthe mislynch.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also deadline is approaching so read Darthe ASAP.

I will make it a priority.

[mastin2]

AP, trust me. Vote penguin. Help me out. We're not lynching Darthe, and ferret's just as bad of a lynch. (Darthe's a bit worse, though.)

Nero, help me. You have a scumread on penguin, so even if you think I'm wrong on Darthe (I'm not and you can trust me on this), then my choice for a lynch is still scum. And you've seen how much support there is for it. It can work, but I need your help.

Darthe, come with me if you want to live. Seriously. Town, scum, doesn't matter; you know that a penguin_alien lynch is the only hope you have for surviving.

Nacho/Kise, help me. Please. I know you have a scumread on Darthe, but I just. don't. think. he's. scum. Not by gut, not by logic. I don't see the case on him, and I don't think you're right. So help me on penguin. Have some faith in me. You've got penguin at least partially as scum, don't you? So help your desperate friend out and trust his read.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh did I replace into a confirmed multiball game? Or is that font what Nexus typically uses for flips

[Nero Cain]

Darthe has no completed games as scum so now one knows what he'd do as scum. He's deff not a vt here though.

[AngryPidgeon]

In other news mastin is either town or this is multiball

[Nero Cain]

yeah, this is mb.

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.12:

Darthe (8)-

xMALCOLMx, Desperado, Ravenpaw, MonkeyMan576, ferretlover, Nero Cain, Mutleyddmc, Mac

ferretlover (3)-

penguin_alien, Syryana, PeregrineV

penguin_alien (4)-

mastin2, Pidgey, Amethyst Actor, The Goat,

Desperado (1)-

AngryPidgeon

Mac (1)-

Darthe

Not voting (1)-

Rubicon

With 18 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day 2 will end at 8PM BST on Saturday 8th June 2013. 21 hours from now.

xMALCOLMx is v/la until Monday

[mastin2]

Iff Darthe flips scum then mastin will be the next lynch, amirite?

If Darthe flipped scum? Yes. Go ahead. Lynch my ass.

But he won't. He will flip town, and I'll end up dead. (Even if I dodged the NK, there's the Daykill that I can't defend from. And the scum know that I'm going to be a pain in the ass. Even if I'm wrong on my reads, they know I'm obvtown, and obvtown shutting down their preferred mislynches, at that. So both factions are going to want me dead.) And you'll fail to lynch penguin_alien, who is likely scum. And you'll fail to sheep my reads, thinking that there's no way a guy who hasn't read the thread and who never produced concrete evidence actually managed to nail the scumteam.

So let's avoid that. Let's instead actually lynch scum in the form of penguin_alien. Darthe is town. (Another towntell is that he went for a Mac lynch rather than hopping onto the penguin_alien lynch. Instead of going for a lynch which could save his life, he went to pursue his own scumspect. SERIOUSLY, YOU CAN'T GET A MUCH LARGER TOWNTELL THAN THAT.) Penguin isn't.

And Ferret? If not penguin, I'd rather see you hang than Darthe, despite my massive townread on you. So help me lynch scum, in the form of penguin.

[Nero Cain]

We have less than 21ish hours from this post till deadline.

[Nero Cain]

On a scale of 1-100 how strong is your PA scum read? Who is scum besides PA?

[mastin2]

It's times like this where I wish sig-betting wasn't illegal.

I'd do the Mastin Gambit and swear "if you don't want to lynch Darthe, then lynch me", but that won't work given how obvtown I am.

But seriously. This. is. town. Darthe. The wagon on him is INCREDIBLY scum-driven.

[AngryPidgeon]

Instead of going for a lynch which could save his life, he went to pursue his own scumspect

Oh come on mastin, I intentionally avoided the Zabodomingo wagon after replacing into HPATPL so I wouldn't seem like I was just trying to wagon random townies.

I skimmed Darthe. Lightish townread but I need to read more. I'll skim PA.