Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 2.2

Amrun 1

(Nero Cain)

Ms Marangal 1

(Amrun)

Not Voting 8

(everyone else)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is June 20th at 11:59 PM US Eastern. This is in (expired on 2013-06-20 23:59:59).

[Ms Marangal]

yesterday, you that there are forsaken who could enter the dream-world? are any of them female with the capability to kill?

and Amrun, these "commuters" can't "commute" every night, I think I have an idea to why I'm still alive but I don't think I'd survive to live this night. I would like to be able to figure things out while I can today.

[Iecerint]

Lanfear spends most of AMOL in the dreamworld, but her allegiance is pretty ambiguous for most of the book. Moghedien can also enter the dream world. Probably Hessalam, too.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Let’s talk Thad here, folks.

Buddies the hell out ghost day one.

Claims way frigging early, claiming generic power role.

Tries to justify why he wasn’t night killed!

Scumslip! Town never ever ever EVER does this.

The roleclaim is so smelly the local homeowner’s association wants to evict, but the NK justification is worse. Seriously. And Commuter AND self-watcher? What even?

VOTE: Thad

~BC

[Selkies]

I am phoneposting. having power outages in my area and pg&e doesn't know the cause. besides heat wave. will hopefully be resolved by tomorrow morning.

- f

[Ms Marangal]

Thad, does your role PM say you can Dream-walk or does it straight up say that you are a commuter?

[Nero Cain]

I did something else

So now you have a 2nd power?

Why do you think Amrun is scum Nero?

'cause she rolled a serial killer role

[Belisarius]

Beli, swords, how likely do you think it is that Ghost was killed by dream-walking?

I'd say almost a certainty; my role PM specifically mentions the dangers of Tel'aran'rhiod. I'm toying with the idea that scum have a factional kill that can only succeed against someone who is Dreaming and Ghostlin was targeted specifically because he crumbed Dreamer and thus could be expected to be in Tel'aran'rhiod over the night, but the scum don't know who the other Dreamers are.

I'd suggest any other Dreamers stay the hell out of Tel'aran'rhiod tonight.

[Ms Marangal]

yeah, you can say that. I'm going to full claim after Thad answers me because I don't think keeping what I can do hidden will help anyone. I think scum have a pool of who can, and can't dream walk and are somehow using that to their advantage

Pedit: Hmm... kay, That's what I was thinking. I need Thad's answer Pronto

[Nero Cain]

So you think its one mafia team with two kills?!?

[Ms Marangal]

Beli, what do you think of the Matt kill? if you think that Ghost was the scum-kill who do you think killed matt?

[Belisarius]

We're in such a PR-heavy game that the idea of a Role Madness setup was proposed prior to the Matt lynch; I'm thinking, as Cain suggested, that both kills were carried out by the Mafia -- one regular factional kill, plus something along the lines of a scum PR that can target a player and if they Dream, they die.

If nobody Dreams tonight and we still have 2 NKs, we'll know there's a standard SK, but as long as a Dreamer dies every night, it's a plausible hypothesis.

[Nero Cain]

I suggested no thing you kooky Canuk.

[Belisarius]

You suggested I think it's one team with two kills; the elaboration on that theme is entirely mine.

[Belisarius]

EBWOP: I

have

played a game in which the scum had a conditional-kill PR like that, albeit offsite. Actually, they had three such PRs, with roles taken from the mafiascum wiki: Ninja, Poisoner, and (one-shot) Sharpshooter.

[Ms Marangal]

So you think that scum may have more the one conditional-kill PR? Dream walking is non-consecutive, if the dream-killer walked the first night, they wouldn't be able to walk the second making N2 a safer night to walk and N3 a more dangerous one.

[ThAdmiral]

On phone so I'll keep this brief.

@ mm: I'm not a dream walker or whatever. My role says if I am targeted by a one power ability it will fail.

@ everyone else: my exact role title is reflexive modified commuter. If you think I'm lying you are in for a surprise. There's actually more to the role as well!

[Belisarius]

So you think that scum may have more the one conditional-kill PR? Dream walking is non-consecutive, if the dream-killer walked the first night, they wouldn't be able to walk the second making N2 a safer night to walk and N3 a more dangerous one.

I don't see any evidence of more than one -- even one is an unsubstantiated and barely formed hypothesis which is almost certainly wrong, but may be

similar

to what actually exists. It could be an X-Shot role or one where they can target every night, but if they target someone who doesn't Dream, nothing happens.

@ everyone else: my exact role title is reflexive modified commuter. If you think I'm lying you are in for a surprise. There's actually more to the role as well!

Yeah, I don't believe it at all. The other PRs have had WoT flavour to their names. Even MattP had a character name as well as a role name, and his role name was non-Mafiascum standard in that the words "Vanilla" and "Town" were reversed. I doubt any non-vanilla roles have names that appear in the wiki.

VOTE: ThAdmiral

[sword_of_omens]

heheh...ThAd's not scum...

Vote: Amrun

[Amrun]

I believe ThAd , but this makes a doctor extremely unlikely in this set up and I don't understand why more votes aren't there. Thad, how do you know you were targeted, because you lost your ability?

But I was about to switch my vote to Nero for sk hunting on day 2 with no flips when I realized what he was getting after. I can't decide whether to reveal because it might make Nero more likely to be scum but I might just be paranoid, and if so, revealing is bad.

So instead I'll ask you this, Nero: why sk? Why not other things?

Everything you're thinking would be incorrect, though. But I don't understand how you leaped to that conclusion and its weird as fuck. Is ever think that as town, ever...

[Selkies]

@Amrun How does ThAd's role make a doctor unlikely?

- f

[Amrun]

Um

Do you understand what it is?

Commuters are essentially self protects (but even stronger, especially given how this particular one works).

There is evidence that MORE THAN ONE of these exist in this game.

If town also has a doctor, the game is broken as fuck. I choose to not think the game is broken as fuck.

Also Marangal has still not claimed her action after repeated needling about it, even though the town thing is just to say it straight off. And Marangal claimed doctor at L-3 on day 1, which is super scummy in and of itself. I didn't want to lynch it day 1 because game actions make it obvious by endgame whether doctor claims are true, and at the very least, doctor fake claims force scum to leave alive the obvious targets, if they exist.

Marangal should die now.

[Selkies]

True if they are full commuters.

Marangal should fully claim now.

- f

[Selkies]

@Beli re "Town Vanilla", I've seen that phrasing show up in another game designed by a long-time MS member.

[Belisarius]

So instead I'll ask you this, Nero: why sk? Why not other things?

I don't think this is weird. If there is more than one NK, serial killer is the most common reason, unless there is more than one scum faction. The flavour makes more than one scum faction unlikely--WoT is about the Light vs. the Shadow, but there are lots of characters (Padan Fain/Mordeth jumps to mind) who would make a good solo third party.

Commuters are essentially self protects (but even stronger, especially given how this particular one works).

There is evidence that MORE THAN ONE of these exist in this game.

If town also has a doctor, the game is broken as fuck. I choose to not think the game is broken as fuck.

There are -- and they're called Dreamwalkers. Why would the mod use both Dreamwalkers and standardcommuters?

I am Gaul, a One-Shot Dreamwalker. My role PM says I can pick one night to enter Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh, and

most

night actions targeting me will miss (before going on to call Tel'aran'rhiod dangerous), but I'll have a private, anonymous QT to talk with anyone else who is also in the Dream. (The anonymity of the QT is what leads me to believe the scum have an ability that targets Dreamers specifically -- the mod intends for the scum to have to determine the identity of the person in the anonymous QT)

This is essentially the same thing as a one-shot commuter, where I leave the town to avoid being targeted by a night kill.

Why would my role get a flavour name, but ThAd's gets a generic name? It wouldn't.

Admiral Delenda Est, people.