Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Belisarius]

EBWOP: Alternatively, lynch me to confirm my roleclaim and

then

lynch ThAd when it's proven true. I have no intention of using my one-shot ability this game, which makes me functionally equivalent to a VT.

[Selkies]

Are you required to post in the QT if you dreamwalk?

- f

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 2.3

ThAdmiral 2

(GoodCop_BadCop, Belisarius)

Amrun 2

(Nero Cain, sword_of_omens)

Ms Marangal 1

(Amrun)

Not Voting 5

(everyone else)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is June 20th at 11:59 PM US Eastern. This is in (expired on 2013-06-20 23:59:59).

[Belisarius]

It doesn't say that I am

required

to post, no -- but if the mod does what I've seen some mods do with the dead QT and send the Forsaken a message that says "You are in this QT with Gaul, an anonymous party" or the like, my fullclaim still gives them what they need to target me. So yeah, not Dreaming this game.

Maybe

if we see a Forsaken flip with Dreaming in their role name, but not until then and maybe not even then.

[Selkies]

ok...makes sense I guess. I can't find in Ghostlin's iso that he claimed his character name, so maybe it was a good guess that he'd be the one.

Now I get what orcinus was on about re Amrun, I think.

btw orcinus is on vacation atm. Assume any unsigned Selkies posts are me for now unless the writing style suggests otherwise.

- f

[Selkies]

Or maybe more than one dreamwalker went for it last night. I'd probably wait a night or two, myself.

- f

[Amrun]

Beli, I didn't say it was weird to think there is an sk. (It isn't.). It's weird to make the leaps Nero has made. I can't really explain more.

But I will say that it's extra weird to think Matt was the sk kill, if there was one, given the flavor, or even regardless of that. I think maybe he'll get that.

Why wouldn't you intend to use that ability, beli?

[Belisarius]

What leaps has Cain made other than guessing that there's an SK based on 2 night kills?

I have no intention of using my ability because of the dangers of Tel'aran'rhiod named in my role PM -- If I can think of the scenario I've drawn out in thread as easily as I have, there's a pretty huge possibility that Ceph has thought of other, even nastier ways to implement the Dream that could kill me in ways I couldn't anticipate. I'd rather take my chances with the NK, especially now that I've fullclaimed and the damage to the scum is done.

[Belisarius]

EBWOP: On a re-read, "the dangers of Tel'aran'rhiod named in my role PM" sounds like it is more specific; it isn't. It just says the Dream is a dangerous place.

[Amrun]

He has concluded that I am the SK and that I should be lunched because of it

He is wrong on both counts, but I think I know why he thinks this. I am debating internally about what it means that he leapt to that particular conclusion over the many other possible conclusions. I am not sure if I should reveal... I said all this earlier. How closely are you reading? :/

[Belisarius]

Ah, I fuzzed over that one because I'm not seriously looking at you as a lynch today.

Assuming there is a SK, I have no idea who the fuck it is.

[Nero Cain]

I'm pretty old school, when I see a second kill I'm likely to assume an SK/2nd scum team/vig. I HAVE been in gamees where scum has an extra kill but its always been one shot.

why sk? Why not other things?

What do you mean why not other things?

But I will say that it's extra weird to think Matt was the sk kill

??? He was killed last night so someone thought his reputation was enough to kill him or they thought he was fake claiming or something. Though I never said anything like that so I'm not sure what you are on about.

[Belisarius]

I'm perfectly on-board with the idea of the Dream-kill, if it exists, being X-Shot, but it wouldn't be unprecedented if there was another mechanic, similar to Mafia Poisoner (submits a kill on an odd-numbered night, death takes place on an even-numbered night, so if a tracker scans the Poisoner they're not condemned by it).

Perhaps someone might even have a role that applies to the second killer, like how the Town Apothecary signals the presence of a Poisoner.

As for whether Matt was the scum factional kill or third party/PR kill, I don't see how it makes a difference in terms of catching scum.

[Amrun]

Hmm... Maybe I was wrong. Nero, why do you think I'm sk? If there is a reason you don't want to clarify that is role-related, say so. It's obviously a non-vanilla game sooo.

But in general, why do you think I'm sk and not mafia?

[Ms Marangal]

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True if they are full commuters.

Marangal should fully claim now.

- f

I was getting there, I just needed to get some stuff together first.

I am Nynaeve Town Doctor Channeler Dream walker.

Also Marangal has still not claimed her action after repeated needling about it

this is also wrong, no one has pressured me into full-claiming

I think beli might have been on the right track RE: Ghost being killed in the dreamworld. I walked last night to avoid getting killed should I be targeted, there were three of us in there and apparently we were all girls.

I'm thinking that, based on how people reacted to Swords claim, scum got a few people who they thought could dream-walk and they didn't want to target any of those people so, they went after someone who didn't react to his claim at all who would also be a threat to the game, hence the Matt kill.

I asked if there were any forsaken female because I thought the other sister, who looked like she was trying to gain our trust, could have been scum. the third sister shared her opinions with us in the thread, and it looking back at what Ghost stated end of D1, it's super similar to what he stated.

My guess to why Ghost was killed over me is because of the fact that he made his identity more easily recognized, which to me means that the killer-dreamwalker might have had to make specific guesses to successfully kill


My dream-walk is non-consecutive and I can't walk and protect at the same time, I was thinking that Mafia have the same thing too, but they would have to be in the dreamworld at the same time along with something else.

Beli's one-shot dreaming puts me on pause though.

Amrun's reaction to all of this seems odd, I believe he was one of the people who reacted to Ghost's breadcrumb which was "dream" which I thought made her another dream-walker. though if she was one, she wouldn't be confused about the entire commuting ordeal because she would have the exact same role PM as I did. Also, his response to Swords stating that there are likely more than one commuter and post 871 don't match up

[Selkies]

Mara are you thinking that ThAd's description of how his role works matches a dream walker? I can't quite get all this info to synch up. ThAd's description sounds different to me from what you and Beli have said.

- f

[Selkies]

But then he's not really claiming dreamwalker.

And that makes sense if one of last night's drewamwalkers was scum. Claiming it would be suicide.

I probably won't vote until orcinus and I have a chance to synch up, but that's where I want our vote to go.

- f

[Amrun]

I am not a dreamwalker.

It was clear Ghostlin was claiming PR; I wasn't clear which PR.

I am pretty confused because I don't remember my role pm saying any of this shit. But then I don't know flavor so I may have ignored it. I'm going to go check just to be sure.

[Amrun]

No, it doesn't mention it at all. I thought I was retarded there for a hot minute.

[Ms Marangal]

Where did you get the impression that he was hinting that he was a PR then?

and Ffery, IDK. The name doesn't make sense to me, though it as a fake claim doesn't make a whole lot of sense since it sticks out like a sore thumb. Nothing adds up, though what's really worrying me is the fact that Demon hasn't posted anything today thus far. He was fairly active yesterday and he hasn't been around yet

[Nero Cain]

Dude hasn't been online since June 3rd.

[Amrun]

Where did I get the impression...?

He screamed it from the roof tops! You'd have to be functionally retarded to miss it, no joke. It was a big fucking deal, and it was said in words, and I obviously unvoted him because of it.

[Selkies]

Where did you get the impression that he was hinting that he was a PR then?

...are you serious?

and Ffery, IDK. The name doesn't make sense to me, though it as a fake claim doesn't make a whole lot of sense since it sticks out like a sore thumb. Nothing adds up, though what's really worrying me is the fact that Demon hasn't posted anything today thus far. He was fairly active yesterday and he hasn't been around yet

I have no idea what it is about Demon's posts that sounded an alarm for you.

- f

[Ms Marangal]

Yes because I don't think bolding "a town PR" would be enough for anyone to think that he was soft claiming, not on it's own. I Initially thought that he was emphasizing his point RE Matt. I didn't see it as a claim. though the other words he bolded didn't make sense, there was nothing that needed to be emphasized. I actually thought the "Dream" being bolded was more telling than "a town PR" being bolded but then only a dream-walker would have picked that up, Amrun states that she isn't one.

as for Demon, I have already explained why I thought he was suspicious. His Fake Vig claim was weird, though that might have been a gambit but everything else he was doing, when he voted when he switched votes, all of it was strange and opportunistic looking, which is something I also explained at that point. I don't see why you think Demon is town

[Amrun]

So saying he's a town pr isn't enough to think he's soft claiming?