Mafia of the Raptured (Game Over!)

[Zachrulez]

Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.

Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.

[Katsuki]

Hey Matt, just a question. How fun do you think it'd be to be scum with amrun?

[Zachrulez]

I uhhh have no idea how that quote fail happened...

Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.

Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.[/quote]

[Zachrulez]

Close enough.

[Tierce]

Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.

Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.

Why do you think he would troll like that as scum and not as Town? He's not an insecure newbie, regardless of his post count in MS.

[enomis]

@Kat & Zach: Mind stating your opinion on whimsical?

[Zachrulez]

Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.

Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.

Why do you think he would troll like that as scum and not as Town? He's not an insecure newbie, regardless of his post count in MS.

My friend Jason a while back ran a theme game. It featured the scum pushing a mass claim on day 1 and getting away with it. Seeing that kind of action again in another theme game, and nothing from Pjovek's iso to indicate to me that he's town, I'm more than fine to say DIESCUMDIE as of this 5 minutes.

@Kat & Zach: Mind stating your opinion on whimsical?

I'm barely paying attention to anything else in this game beyond my initial observations right now.

[Katsuki]

@Kat & Zach: Mind stating your opinion on whimsical?

I wonder.

hint: I wonder.

[Katsuki]

um, hint should point towards iso

[Syryana]

I wonder.

What do you think of Mattp and the slip from Whimsical that Enomis pointed out?

[fferyllt]

1) Im happy you're townreading people but don't set a precedent for stupidity, syryana respects you a lot and if you keep doing that he may start making reads lists

Reads lists!

Town: Tammy, Tierce, Enomis

Probably Town: Zdenek

Not Town: Eggplant, Matt, fery, Pjo

No clue: Errbody else

I like your town list. I'd add mrbungle to the probtown.

withholding judgement on Pjo.

And you're town.

[implosion]

if it does not include both 1 and 2, then the answer is a flat-out "no." If it does include 1 and 2, then you can explain those reasons, and then we'll decide if it's a good idea.

You could have just stopped at "no".

Well yeah, but that'd be rude .

VOTE: Zachrulez

My friend Jason a while back ran a theme game. It featured the scum pushing a mass claim on day 1 and getting away with it. Seeing that kind of action again in another theme game, and nothing from Pjovek's iso to indicate to me that he's town, I'm more than fine to say DIESCUMDIE as of this 5 minutes.

Completely ignoring the context in both the previous game in which this happened and this game is not conducive to genuine scumhunting.

I'm going to assume syryana is town for a while, because i want him to be. And tierce. And tammy to a lesser extent. Zdenek's play also reminds me of what i remember of town-zdenek (particularly from PYP5 although my memory is fuzzy on it so it's not huge). Whimsical isn't an awful wagon, although i disagree with the inference that mattp is scum if whimsical is scum.

[Pjovek]

hey pjo are you town?

totes

cos i am... you probably know that by now tho don't you

totes

I've been thinking about that newbie game. I assume pjo gambits no matter what alignment he is.

totes

mrbungle, where, what games do you and pjo know each other from?

fiery, pjo, tell me about pjo's scum game, or at least point me to the ones that you are talking about.

My scumgames are mystical creatures of ancient power, just without the power.
I'm actually quite bad at it if I do say so myself.
Almost as bad as bungle. Not quite, but almost.

Cool. Why is it suspicious. And I'll totally admit to it being suspicious, if you can point to where I was posting at this site in the meantime and then hopped to it to do some scumhunting because I was called out. And if you really think someone saying I'm not scumhunting on page two of a mafia game makes me get all skittish and run to scumhunt, you clearly don't know how I think as scum.

Why don't you ask me why I'm finding the Matt town reads suspicious? Show me you're actually interested in determining my alignment.

It's completely irrelevant whether you were posting elsewhere on the site. The point is, Whimsy-boy over there calls you out for not scumhunting, then you make a post yelling at him, and two minutes later you start scumhunting.

I already know why you find the Matt townreads suspicious. And I've already figured out your alignment

Pedit: And more self-meta! This is glorious!

This is a bad post and you should feel bad.

Why are people not allowed to hunt scum after you tell them they are not hunting scum?
And when are they supposed to start?

There is mafia motivation in these words.
Indeed.
Mafia would really love people who are not contributing to continue doing so.
Indeed, if mafia are able to paint scum motivation on people FOR starting to contribute (even if it's just a lil' dash of it), that would be a good thing.

I'm taking both my eyes. And I'm watching the shit out of you, brother.
Yeah.
Even when you're under the shower, yeah.

I haven't seen his scum game.

So why do you think that he gambits as either alignment?

I was asking mrbungles because they've played together elsewhere.

But, if he doesn't gambit irrespective of alignment he'd be awfully easy to spot as scum. So yeah, I think he gambits no matter what his alignment.

While it is true that i do that specifically as either alignment, I am easy to spot as scum anyways.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But, if he doesn't gambit irrespective of alignment he'd be awfully easy to spot as scum. So yeah, I think he gambits no matter what his alignment.

You're lying

You didn't actually come to that conclusion

Would you like to stop lying now or should this be a power lynch? [:

Why do you think ferryllet unable to come to a logical conclusion?
This looks like you want to lynch here on the basis of her being actually stupid and not able to think, true/false?

ffery, needs to explain how pjo tripped up scum in the game she lynched because it looks like she buddying with him for an illegitimate reason at the moment.

I'd like it if mrbungle told me what game he knows pjo from.

Whimsy is actually scum, so people should vote her.

Pjo was so obviously town by page 2 of that game. MsM, however, just could not let go of the idea that he had initially behaved as though he were very newb and then a page later showed some depth of mafia strategy. She focused on the ruse and ignored or couldn't see the reason behind it. She moved on to other targets but kept coming back to that slot and arguing with Pjo and later his replacement. It was painfully scummy looking.

I was happy to see he signed up for this game and I'm looking forward to playing with him.

Oh stop it, you
*blush*

VOTE: Whimsical Eggplantl

Scum man. She tripped up.
@whimsical: You recalled mattp saying releasing flavour is a bad idea in your scum pregame qt?

Those who have no avatar need to get one. I can't differentiate people without avi.

I thought scum only had a QT during nightphases?
If so then this is silly.
Or are pregame QTs actually a thing?
Sounds useless, theres like nothing to talk about without any posts.

Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.

Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.

If you want, I could fill you up with something warm.

Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.

Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.

Why do you think he would troll like that as scum and not as Town? He's not an insecure newbie, regardless of his post count in MS.

Here, have a cookie. It comes with free townreads.

Hey Zach--want to obvTown so I can stop worrying about players 10-15? That'd look really cool on my notes.

Want to help me lynch Pjovek? It would fill me with warm feelings inside.

Why do you think he would troll like that as scum and not as Town? He's not an insecure newbie, regardless of his post count in MS.

My friend Jason a while back ran a theme game. It featured the scum pushing a mass claim on day 1 and getting away with it. Seeing that kind of action again in another theme game, and nothing from Pjovek's iso to indicate to me that he's town, I'm more than fine to say DIESCUMDIE as of this 5 minutes.

How is this relevant to this game at all?


@Katsuki, do you like playing scum?
yes/no question.

[implosion]

I thought scum only had a QT during nightphases?
If so then this is silly.
Or are pregame QTs actually a thing?
Sounds useless, theres like nothing to talk about without any posts.

aaaaaand pjovek is town

[Tierce]

implosion and Pjovek are bringing home the bacon.

VOTE: Zachrulez

You're making my notes very, very sad, Zach.

Pushing for a massclaim D1 is a specific situation that has nothing to do with Pjovek's behavior so far. Why are you trying to pin someone else's meta and somegame else's situation on him?


(Pregame QTs exist and Vi games have a tendency to have Daytalk for scum anyway.)


PEdit: Not really for that, it's easy to fake.

[Tierce]

Pjovek--walk me through the thought process of writing Post 16.

[Pjovek]

Pjovek--walk me through the thought process of writing Post 16.

Not yet, no.
Suffice to say I was feeling a bit lazy.

Also I'd like to note that I never asked for a massclaim. Just a claim of really minor flavor. Not even rolenames or anything. Really minor. I honestly didn't (and don't) see the harm in it.

[Syryana]

I like your town list. I'd add mrbungle to the probtown.

withholding judgement on Pjo.

And you're town.

[Syryana]

This is a bad post and you should feel bad.

Why are people not allowed to hunt scum after you tell them they are not hunting scum?
And when are they supposed to start?

There is mafia motivation in these words.
Indeed.
Mafia would really love people who are not contributing to continue doing so.
Indeed, if mafia are able to paint scum motivation on people FOR starting to contribute (even if it's just a lil' dash of it), that would be a good thing.

I'm taking both my eyes. And I'm watching the shit out of you, brother.
Yeah.
Even when you're under the shower, yeah.

You're missing the point of the post.

Feel free to watch me in the shower though, my viewer count has been dropping lately!

[Syryana]

Pushing for a massclaim D1 is a specific situation that has nothing to do with Pjovek's behavior so far. Why are you trying to pin someone else's meta and somegame else's situation on him?

Excellent point.
VOTE: Zachrulez

[Syryana]

Also I'd like to note that I never asked for a massclaim. Just a claim of really minor flavor. Not even rolenames or anything. Really minor. I honestly didn't (and don't) see the harm in it.

What if the scum are looking for a specific flavor name/type? Then a flavor claim will guide them straight to it.

What do you think the benefit to town is for flavor claiming? What do you personally get out of it?

[Syryana]

I'm going to assume syryana is town for a while, because i want him to be.

On an unrelated note because I'm curious, why do you want me to be town?

[Pjovek]

Alright, if pregame QTs actually exist, then I'm okaaaay lynching Eggplant, but I don't really like the wheels the wagon is driving on. They spin in different directions.

On one side, we got the fabricated looking townread on MattP
On the other side, we got the "scumslip"

These contradict each other in conclusion, since, assuming Eggplant flips scum, the fabricated townread on Matt would mean Matt being town, while the slip would obviously mean he talked with Matt in the scumQT, making matt scum.

Which leaves me looking at an unresolvable situation, and I don't like how people want to lynch Eggplant for BOTH, when they blatantly contradict each other.

Resolving the situation, and then looking which explaination is more likely is what should happen, instead both are used in an overarching theory.
Overarching theories are rarely correct.

The thing is, that either one of those could well make Eggplant scum, but without any effort into determining which, it looks too much like people don't actually care if their accusations make sense and come through, as long as they get the job done (=a lynch)

While Eggplant is currently the biggest lead, I'm not sold on his scumminess at all.
And I don't know why nobody noticed this yet.
I'll read through the push again, I guess.

[Pjovek]

This is a bad post and you should feel bad.

Why are people not allowed to hunt scum after you tell them they are not hunting scum?
And when are they supposed to start?

There is mafia motivation in these words.
Indeed.
Mafia would really love people who are not contributing to continue doing so.
Indeed, if mafia are able to paint scum motivation on people FOR starting to contribute (even if it's just a lil' dash of it), that would be a good thing.

I'm taking both my eyes. And I'm watching the shit out of you, brother.
Yeah.
Even when you're under the shower, yeah.

You're missing the point of the post.

Feel free to watch me in the shower though, my viewer count has been dropping lately!

Oh, I'm watching you so hard. You better believe it.

Also I'd like to note that I never asked for a massclaim. Just a claim of really minor flavor. Not even rolenames or anything. Really minor. I honestly didn't (and don't) see the harm in it.

What if the scum are looking for a specific flavor name/type?

I don't know, why don't you tell me what flavor scum is actually looking for? :3

[Tierce]

Pjovek--walk me through the thought process of writing Post 16.

Not yet, no.
Suffice to say I was feeling a bit lazy.

Also I'd like to note that I never asked for a massclaim. Just a claim of really minor flavor. Not even rolenames or anything. Really minor. I honestly didn't (and don't) see the harm in it.

My main concern is the inherent risk involved in making a post like that. You appear to be an intelligent player (trolling notwithstanding), and there is an immediate risk that someone

will

think it's not a big deal indeed and start claiming info about their character. I expect you to be aware of this risk--so why take it?

Putting things simply: the scum might know which character is the Apocalypse one. Revealing universes/continuity might help them. Why do you think this is a risk worth taking, either in a trolling form ("let's see who jumps on this!") or genuinely thinking a partial flavor claim is something we should do?


PEdit: I don't see how scum having a fabricated Townread on anyone makes the second person Town.