Open 503 - POLYGAMY IS EVIL. GAME OVER


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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:43 pm

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Votecount 1.2




7 votes to lynch.



Viomi
- L7
Nachomamma8
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Wisdom
enomis
- L6
Ms Marangal
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Voodoo Lady
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absta101
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Voodoo Lady
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Core_H86
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The Acting Method, Wisdom
- L5

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Vigilante Ventriloquist
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Deadline (expired on 2013-06-23 17:58:12)
If you see any mistakes, let me know please.
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:44 pm

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wisdom:
Well, I'm claiming you don't know how to read. Stop strawmanning me and maybe I'll consider responding.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:45 pm

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Holy fuck.
Did you say that scum would never post what Voodoo posted or not?
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:47 pm

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In post 49, Voodoo Lady wrote:...are you really trying to tell me that you weren't trolling for reactions here? Because I can see at least three openings for that here.
I won't say I wasn't leaving the possibility open, but I wasn't looking for anything useful to come of it.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:48 pm

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In post 52, Wisdom wrote:Holy fuck.
Did you say that scum would never post what Voodoo posted or not?
See, it's this kind of thing that tells me you can't read. If you were capable of reading, you wouldn't need to ask me.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:51 pm

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Also, you seem kind of angry, so allow me to calm things down with this cute picture of a kitty in a bucket:

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:3
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:52 pm

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In post 41, Vigilante Ventriloquist wrote:Okay, so this tell is independent of whether or not I believe what I said - so you're saying it's the act itself of suggesting a claim strategy (or maybe this particular claim strategy, though tbh that would make no sense whatsoever) that's scummy.

Now I'm going to assume that you don't think it's scummy simply because you've seen scum do it twice (that would not require any sort of miracle of probability). So what I'm wondering is: what about it do you find intrinsically scummy?


I like hearing myself speak (and type, because keyboards turn me on), so I'm going to try to guess at a possible answer:
Suggesting a claim strategy is scummy because it's a way for scum to appear useful without harming their win condition (if they truly believe their claim strategy is correct, they would think someone else would suggest it anyway).
If that's what you think of it, how do you feel about the context of my suggestion within my post? Surely you wouldn't be calling something scummy in a vacuum, so how does the post containing my suggestion influence your view of the suggestion?
In this setup, it has a history of being scummy. I've seen 3 polygamists, I've played in two, modded the other (the other was offsite) Of those three, the first person to promote/suggest an early lover claim turned out to be scum twice for certain. I don't recall the 3rd game what happened...

If this was any other scenario, I wouldn't think it scummy, but here with the history I have, I'm highly inclined to think it scum behavior.
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:54 pm

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Nooo, it didn't work :<

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There, I fixed it.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:55 pm

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In post 53, Vigilante Ventriloquist wrote:
In post 49, Voodoo Lady wrote:...are you really trying to tell me that you weren't trolling for reactions here? Because I can see at least three openings for that here.
I won't say I wasn't leaving the possibility open, but I wasn't looking for anything useful to come of it.
So your vote for Enomis was genuine, VV?
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:57 pm

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TAM, generally, I don't think that asking for a lover claim is a scumtell. Anyone who hasn't thought about the setup match may come up with this idea, thinking that it will be useful. But Vig is scum for other reasons, so you're most likely correct that it's coming from scum again.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:59 pm

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much*
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:59 pm

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In post 56, The Acting Method wrote:In this setup, it has a history of being scummy. I've seen 3 polygamists, I've played in two, modded the other (the other was offsite) Of those three, the first person to promote/suggest an early lover claim turned out to be scum twice for certain. I don't recall the 3rd game what happened...

If this was any other scenario, I wouldn't think it scummy, but here with the history I have, I'm highly inclined to think it scum behavior.
Did you know the probability of that happening twice by chance is just under 1/6? If it actually happened 2 out of 3 times, there's a 35.2% chance of it happening at least that many times in your sample size. And with a sample size of 2 to 3 games, there's a significant chance that the actual probability is nowhere near what you seem to be equating it to. Basing a vote on what you've seen twice and
would not otherwise consider scummy
does not make sense.
LooDoo Vady wrote:So your vote for Enomis was genuine, VV?
No. Neither was yours, but I doubt yours was a reaction test either.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:06 pm

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In post 61, Vigilante Ventriloquist wrote:
In post 56, The Acting Method wrote:In this setup, it has a history of being scummy. I've seen 3 polygamists, I've played in two, modded the other (the other was offsite) Of those three, the first person to promote/suggest an early lover claim turned out to be scum twice for certain. I don't recall the 3rd game what happened...

If this was any other scenario, I wouldn't think it scummy, but here with the history I have, I'm highly inclined to think it scum behavior.
Did you know the probability of that happening twice by chance is just under 1/6? If it actually happened 2 out of 3 times, there's a 35.2% chance of it happening at least that many times in your sample size. And with a sample size of 2 to 3 games, there's a significant chance that the actual probability is nowhere near what you seem to be equating it to. Basing a vote on what you've seen twice and
would not otherwise consider scummy
does not make sense.
It was definitely intentional in one of those games, I should point out.
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LooDoo Vady wrote:So your vote for Enomis was genuine, VV?
No. Neither was yours, but I doubt yours was a reaction test either.
I was under the impression that if you had a legit townread on me in that post, you would also have a legit scumread in that same post. But this is sensible as well.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:16 pm

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In post 62, Voodoo Lady wrote:It was definitely intentional in one of those games, I should point out.
Fair, but TAM said that this was a tell regardless of whether or not I believed claiming pairs to be a pro-town strategy and that was what I was trying to address.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:55 pm

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Personally, in the last Polygamist game I played, I didn't really have any opinion on whether we should claim because I didn't have to worry about legit scumhunting. Being one quarter of the scumtet and all.

But I did find it easier to pretend to evaluate individual players' behavior before I knew who their lovers were, so it would follow that I'd find it easier to legit scumhunt before I knew the pairings.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:57 pm

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Isn't it easier to pick lynchable targets when you know the pairings though?
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:12 pm

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In post 6, Voodoo Lady wrote:
In post 5, enomis wrote:VOTE: wisdom
Cuz u are not smart
Insulting the intelligence of your fellow townies is highly impolite. This obviously makes you scum.
VOTE: enomis
Not even reading more past this.

He insulted someone else, and he immediately called him townie. I'm not trying to drag teams of two out, but... I see this as scum buddying <3

VOTE: voodoo

Not reading the rest of the thread, too lazy. Kthxbai.
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:13 pm

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Also everyone should vote me because I think polygamy is fine as long as everyone in the relationship is fine with it.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:24 pm

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I have no idea what your explanation of your vote means.

Also, yes, I am cute! :3
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:30 pm

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Ohhhh, I get what you mean...I think. Your pronoun usage confused me.

I hope we can be friends anyway :<
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:41 pm

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VOTE: Ms Marangal

clearly not wanting to vote is against her meta............
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:45 pm

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Can you provide proof that she usually wants to vote?
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:51 pm

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Wait, TAM and Voodoo said that it's actually consistent with her meta.
So how come you think it's against?
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:11 pm

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The ...................... suggests I was joking
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:14 pm

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That wasn't so apparent, especially since we're not really in RVS anymore.
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