Let's delve into the giant paragraph now.
In post 177, Syryana wrote:
In post 175, enomis wrote:Then why switch wagon? Give me a legit reason why you think Zach wagon is better.
My reason for being on the Whimsywagon was primarily due to the scumslip.
By extension you're saying my actions are more unforgivable than a scum slip. I uhhh... don't even know what to say to that. (Or to the fact that if he is your top suspect you can actually make him the top wagon right nao. What's stopping you.)
In post 177, Syryana wrote:It's fairly obvious at this point that wagon is going precisely nowhere (particularly given Whimsy hasn't been seen since that slip post)
This is bullshit. See above. You can literally make him the #1 wagon with your one vote. The fact that he hasn't posted actually merits more pressure on him IMO.
In post 177, Syryana wrote:and I like the Zach wagon for a couple of reasons. The problem with Zach is not what he's saying against Pjovek's flavor claim; I 100% agree that flavor claim is a terrible idea. However, look how Zach pushes the idea;
It seems agreeing that it's a bad idea should be where it ends. It's almost like you guys are trying to force an extra level of play here where you're trying to work an already made conclusion of Zach scum into taking advantage of the situation. This presumes Pjovek town and frankly I'm just floored that this kind of leap and presumption is being made.
In post 177, Syryana wrote:he links a game where scum got away with pushing mass claim on Day 1
Yeah, the reason I did that was to demonstrate that the action has a scum motivation and that the reaction to the action leads to an anti-town gamestate if you don't answer the action directly with a rebuke like I did.
In post 177, Syryana wrote:without giving reasons and claims that's sufficient reason to lynch Pjovek (as Pjo has not given reasons either).
I voted with reason. Part of the game at that point is to get people to react to my vote and infer what my reasons are, something that... you know would help me come to positions on reacting players. (I don't think my reasoning for that vote at that point in the game is that hard to infer if you put some thought into it.)
In post 177, Syryana wrote:He makes no attempt to ask Pjo what his reasons are and the game he linked has little to do with the situation at hand; the mechanics are entirely different, pushing flavor claim is different from pushing massclaim, etc. I believe Tierce has already gone over this.
They're different kinds of claims, but they generally contribute to anti-town gamestates. The fact that they are different kind of claims doesn't change my stance on the issue. He pushed for a form of massclaim. Are we really going to argue semantics about full massclaim vs partial massclaim? Hell trying to push a more subtle massclaim that people see as seemingly harmless is something I would find more scummy because the damaging effects of such a partial massclaim are not likely to be immediately apparent to a town.
In post 177, Syryana wrote:In the meantime, Zach
still
has not tried to scumhunt, figure out Pjo's reasoning for pushing flavor claim, has not looked for any suspects other than Pjo. He's being very lazy and his method for pushing his scumread on Pjo frankly sucks.
Bullshit. Two simultaneous arguments are being made here. One that Zach is not scumhunting, and two that Zach's scumhunting sucks in your opinion. The two of these do not resolve together. If you're going to challenge my reasoning and call my lazy... fine. (But also you should probably make sure that I've never exhibited these traits as town in other games as well, just a tip.) Just don't say I'm not scumhunting, because the statement is entirely untrue.
In post 177, Syryana wrote:Now, I've never played with Zach before (he was my mod in Micro 134, <3), but when I see someone with a scummy for Best Town Performance doing lazy/bad things like this it calls for some voteage. And I'm shamelessly sheeping Tierce.
I already touched on this, but part of the reason you're voting me is because I have a scummy and you expect more from me as a result?
Are you even sure Tierce is town? (I'm inferring that on your willingness to sheep her.) I'm not exactly having great feelings about her early play. Her jump on me feels just a bit opportunistic and more over semantics than anything else.
