Open 503 - POLYGAMY IS EVIL. GAME OVER

[Mutleyddmc]

I don't think wisdom is scum. TAM there is a point there core from the sound did it and when I was interacting hadn't properly read the thread. I had states just before he posted I'd rather not claim. So I believe in his mind he was the first person to suggest it and in fact go out right and do it. I think it's stupid town. If core wasn't your lover would you be questioning him?

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

If it's equally as likely for each person to suggest claiming (aka being town or scum has no influence on whether or not someone suggests it), there's a 7/27 (25.9%) chance of scum bringing it up in 2 out of 3 games. Is that so astronomically low that you can't believe it would happen?

[Ms Marangal]

Ok, I can entertain with the idea of Vigilante-scum, but I won't have time to do anything until tomorrow and if someone get's run up to L-3 before then I will freak out on everyone

[Ms Marangal]

I also want to be able to talk to Nacho before anything drastic happens

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

Why do you think I'm scum, mara?

[Ms Marangal]

Right now, it's nothing but first impression. I'm basing my reads on a skim, and who has posted so far. we have quite a bit of people who havn't posted much. Why does my read on you matter?

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

At the pace this game has been going, you being gone for a full RL day is a lot. Do you expect me to let you call me scum and then get away with it unquestioned?

Also, you say you're basing your read on me on "first impression" and that you're basing them on "a skim". Define "first impression".

[Ms Marangal]

I have a life

and first impression is first impression, meaning the initial feel I get from you. I can't get any type of feel without reading anything.

and I didn't call you scum yet, I said I could entertain with that Idea but I don't have anything solid formed.

Do you have any idea how jumpy you look? I said I can give this game the attention it deserves tomorrow which means I probably plan on prodding, questioning, and forming reads at that time.

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

I think the better question is whether or not you have any idea how jumpy I look based on a skim.

I also wonder how you think it comes across to show up, say "I think x could be scum, I'll post tomorrow." after 6 pages of not posting anything. I get that people have lives and free time is a precious resource, but it's not a good "first impression" of you.

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm probably being stupid. Can you explain why L-3 I'm guessing because its this type of game?

[Ms Marangal]

Yes Mutts, it's because it's because of the type of game.

I would say L-4 but I'm hoping that scum is smart enough to not quick-lynch

[Mutleyddmc]

Am I right in thinking that the last polygamist on here was open 422? Well I've only read the first page of that, and the fort person to suggest mass claim was scum. Now TAM was part of that game. He said he modded another off site. So surely they are his last two games involved in this set up. Now of that's true. TAM you are Lying about the last two times the first mass claim suggestion came from scum.

[Mutleyddmc]

So Explain L-3 a little. Surely three scum wouldn't be stupid enough to do a quick lynch on day 1? I can understand day 2 for sure.
I feel I am being really stupid but I don't want to not know this and put someone in the position that is clearly bad

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

There is nothing wrong with putting someone at L-whatever, where whatever != 1 (when whatever = 1, you're in danger of people not knowing how many votes the player needs). Scum quickhammering day 1 would be absolutely suicidal.



I think Mara is scum for her recent series of posts (unrelated to the L-x thing).

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

More specifically, I think this post is her way of setting herself up to vote me later and being able to go back and say "Hey, I've suspected him since all the way over there!" as justification. When I questioned her about her post, she said this:

Right now, it's nothing but first impression. I'm basing my reads on a skim, and who has posted so far. we have quite a bit of people who haven't posted much. Why does my read on you matter?

Now this is going to sound like I'm nitpicking, but bear with me for a second...Each of her 4 sentences looks like its own separate response to the question (well, sentences 2 and 3 can go together, but in my initial reading they seemed much more disjoint), rather than being an actual train of thought - it's what people do when they're just looking for

something

that will stick. In fact, it wasn't until her next post that she even mentioned the small detail that she didn't necessarily think I was scum and was just considering the possibility. Seems like a strange thing for her to forget to mention while trying to explain why she thought I was scum. [Note: This is the best evidence of the first thing I mentioned in this post - that she's just trying to set herself up later to be able to vote me and point back to these posts.]

Also, I don't think I need any explanation of what I think is wrong with

and first impression is first impression, meaning the initial feel I get from you. I can't get any type of feel without reading anything.

^ THIS


Also also I wonder where her "jumpy" accusation suddenly came from in that post. I guess she could have meant I was being jumpy with her (which wouldn't make sense, but WHO KNOWS), but it also reeks of looking for

something

that will stick syndrome.

[absta101]

@Voodoo

Insulting the intelligence of your fellow townies is highly impolite. This obviously makes you scum.

Was this an RVS vote?
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@Vigilante

mujie, what would you say if I told you my vote on you wasn't serious?

Why did you feel the need to tell him your vote wasn't serious now? You could've said it in your post after his explanation of why he voted you, no?
It seems forced.

More specifically, the second half of your first post is something I can't picture scum saying in the first post of the game.

I agree with Wisdom on this. It's a really bad reason for thinking Voodoo is town.
Can you explain why scum wouldn't post what Voodoo said.
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Still catching up.

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

mujie, what would you say if I told you my vote on you wasn't serious?

Why did you feel the need to tell him your vote wasn't serious now? You could've said it in your post after his explanation of why he voted you, no?
It seems forced.

I don't remember exactly when I posted that, but it was whenever I no longer felt like it would be useful to have him think it was a serious vote.

More specifically, the second half of your first post is something I can't picture scum saying in the first post of the game.

I agree with Wisdom on this. It's a really bad reason for thinking Voodoo is town.
Can you explain why scum wouldn't post what Voodoo said.

To be honest, I might have based that too much on how I play. Here was the exact quote:

I know y'all are good at this game, so I'm sure we're all gonna find the scum quartet in no time.

If I was scum in a game and I looked at the playerlist and thought "whoa, these are some good players!", then got to the game thread and had the chance to make the first post of the entire game, the fact that I thought the other players were likely to catch scum is not something I would want other people to know was on my mind - it would make me sound scared.

Something like "good playerlist" or "lots of strong players in this game" reads much differently, for example.

[mujie]

Why did you want me to think it was a serious vote? It made me feel suspicious of you, and that can't have been the reason.

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

If you knew it was a serious vote, there would have been no useful discussion about it to be had.

[mujie]

You mean if I knew it was an unserious vote? If you make it look like a serious vote, you should give a clue as to why you voted at least.

[absta101]

@Vig

See, it's this kind of thing that tells me you can't read. If you were capable of reading, you wouldn't need to ask me.

Also, you seem kind of angry, so allow me to calm things down with this cute picture of a kitty in a bucket:

Okay, your constant dodging of Wisdom's question is terrible and vote worthy.
VOTE: Vigilante

Also, your reaction to Marangal's impression of you is very defensive which raises my suspicion of you.

P-Edit: It seems you've answered it now but from me. Why were you avoiding the question so hard?
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@TAM

- Does your partner having the same views as VV affect your read on him?
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@Mutley

So Explain L-3 a little. Surely three scum wouldn't be stupid enough to do a quick lynch on day 1? I can understand day 2 for sure.
I feel I am being really stupid but I don't want to not know this and put someone in the position that is clearly bad

Scum are in no position to quicklynch D1 in this setup. Quicklynching makes you look suspicious and, as you know, if any scum get lynched they lose.
The players who are saying "don't vote to L-X" are just paranoid.

[absta101]

If you knew it wasn't a serious vote, there would have been no useful discussion about it to be had.

Fixed*

Are you saying you were letting him hold a false suspicion on you so you could discuss it? I don't understand.
This doesn't help anything and it seems too unrealistic a thing to do. I believe you're making this up.

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

@mujie
Yeah, sorry, meant "if you knew it wasn't a serious vote"

@absta
Context is everything. Wording is everything else. Do you not see a difference between your questions and Wisdom's questions?

[Vigilante Ventriloquist]

If you knew it wasn't a serious vote, there would have been no useful discussion about it to be had.

Fixed*

Are you saying you were letting him hold a false suspicion on you so you could discuss it? I don't understand.
This doesn't help anything and it seems too unrealistic a thing to do. I believe you're making this up.

That's because you don't understand the RVS.

[absta101]

Why aren't you voting Marangal?