Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Bacde]

For those not on the Egg wagon: Look at Egg's interactions with Kuribo. Notice how Egg thinks Kuribo is scum. Look at the mod's post about who wins in the event of a tie. Do the math.

Explain this to me like I'm five. I'm not following

[Mac]

what are you thinking about bacde?

map it out for me chap.

honestly its mostly procrastinating

I was certain that Autti was scum so I'm like "oh fuck who can I trust" at this point

and I've been meaning to reread myself instead of just following someone else's case but I keep putting it off

why would you want to procrastinate as town?

stop making me doubt my reads on you.

[Bacde]

why would I want to procrastinate as scum?

This is a personality tell, not a scumtell

Proof: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4852385

[Mac]

and you were considered scum in that game & lynched

so why would you repeat that play?

[Bacde]

Once again, personality tell

I can't just change my personality man

Why would I repeat that play if I was scum?

Neither way does it make sense--therefore its irrational personality, not a tell

If you want me to procrastinate less, tell me where I should look to form my reads better (like, why are you voting where you are voting?). I could use your help and I think you are town

[Mac]

repeating that play as scum means you can go "look this is what I do as town!" can you only provide one example?

no, I've told you stuff about me and why I'm voting. tell me what you are thinking, rather than procrastinating. because procrastinating is helping no one but remaining scum coast through this game.

basically most of this game has said what they have had to say <-- me, Syr, Egg at least. Bulba maybe less so but he's LA. we are waiting for you here bacde and all you can pop up and say is "hey I cba inputting so you will have to wait"

unvote

[Bacde]

repeating that play as scum means you can go "look this is what I do as town!" can you only provide one example?

but I haven't been saying that at all

I'm just saying its not a tell

I'm actually not talking about it as a town-tell since I just realized that this is a behavior that I need to incorporate into my scum meta

yeah sorry I only have the one example

so you aren't going to try to convince me that who you are voting is scum? Because that will just lead to me reading/figuring it out on my own time. Which might take a few more days

[Mac]

fair enough you didn't actually say it but you have given me proof but only one example where you flipped town so you are kinda trying to push it onto me as a town tell. but the bad thing is you were pretty much seen as scummy for this procrastinating so I can't imagine why you would do it AGAIN when you know it's going to be seen as scummy and there's already doubt in my mind.

why should I convince you why is X is scum when you can't be bothered doing your own research? it's like you are trying to coast through this day phase. I've actually told you why I thought bulba was scum and all you could say was "good point" and then sorta disagree with it.

I want you to be town bacde but you are really making me struggle for it. we had 5 days left and you still haven't even articulated your thoughts on today yet. I don't like it.

[Mac]

we have 5 days left*

[Bacde]

Yeah I can understand why my behavior is bothering you tbh, I'll see if I can whip up something tonight

sorry about it, and thanks for dealing w/ me

[Mac]

like your procrastinating in the town game you linked had weeks left like you said.

we have days, you know?

[Mac]

Look. That post makes it clear there is no changing your mind. You are completely convinced I am scum. This is clear by the way you use "bus" and "vote" interchangably. You seem to have the same attitude towards bulb. Your reads seem similar to mine except that you have me as scum. I have you as a strong town read. Can you tell me why you haven't responded to my idea to just go down the list and lynch:
Me today
Bulb tomorrow
Goodmorning last
?

egg why is your vote on bulba if you advocate your own lynch today?

[Mac]

GM, where is your Syryana case?

For those not on the Egg wagon: Look at Egg's interactions with Kuribo. Notice how Egg thinks Kuribo is scum. Look at the mod's post about who wins in the event of a tie. Do the math.

this is a reasonable enough point i think

[Mac]

I would like everyone to commit to this game more, we have 5 days left and not much is happening.

Leaning egg wolf-bulba maf at the moment. Bulba's point about egg is good.

Syr do you think DBK would be so brazen about his buddies so early on?

[Egg]

Bulb, if I was wolf who was going to kill the mafia at night, I probably wouldn't be repeating over and over in thread that I think that person is mafia, especially when I'm not even pushing that lynch.

Bacde, bulb thinks I'm wolf. Mafia wins in unusual ways in this game. Bulb is suggesting that I am wolf who saw the Mod's post about how mafia can win and shot Kuribo trying to kill the mafia because I was very sure kuribo was mafia. See the first part of this post for my response to that. Also see how willing I have been to die to keep town alive (the princess lynch and my plan to lynch down syryana's list).

Preview edit: mac, *shrug*. Doesn't matter much to me. I'll switch if some townish people (you, syryana, maybe bacde) want me to.

[goodmorning]

GM, where is your Syryana case?

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH MY POWER WENT OUT FOR LITTLE TO NO REASON AND FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING DAY

I was reading you first but that post got lost when my computer died and it is not going to get redone. So I'll do Syr this evening hopefully.
Suffice it to say that I am satisfied as to your towniness.

Now, as to Syr I can say I remember little about his play except that I didn't like it, and that thing Egg said and resaid about mod interactions which was (IMO) complete bullshit. Therefore this reread ought by rights to be illuminating.

As to bulba's point on Egg, the kuribo thing, that is also complete bullshit. I think any of us, as wolf, would have killed kuribo because he's kuribo. Now the N2 kill is somewhat anomalous... but SO not getting into that right now.

Speaking of nights...

@Mod

: the title still says Day 3, but it's definitely Day 4. Not a huge deal or anything, just vaguely confused me for a second.

And one more thing:
@Egg: Would you worry that if you go before bulba that he may not get lynched?
If that question makes sense, semantically speaking.

[zabriel]

Vote Count 4.4

Egg - (Bulba, GM) L-2
Bulba - (Egg, Syr) L-2

With six alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch. Day four will end in (expired on 2013-06-15 18:00:00)

[Egg]

No. The only problem is if he's wolf and is lynched tomorrow, mafia wins. I'd actually love to lynch the wolf today to give us two chances at mafia. But if we mislynch today, tomorrow needs to be about the mafia. Wait. Shit. Lemme check something.

6 alive. Mislynch=5. NK=4 (2t,1m,1w). Lynch wolf=2t/1m.
6 alive. Mislynch=5. NK=4 (2t,1m,1w) lynch mafia=2t/1w +NK. Wolf wins.

So yeah. Scratch that. Tomorrow is about the wolf if we mislynch today. And I have confidence that this town will lynch Bulb without me in that situation. I don't want to speculate too much past that but yeah. I'm cool with me/bulb in either order and I'm pretty confident that's the way it will play out.

[Mac]

why are you cool with lynching yourself if you are town in this situation

BACDE WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU

[Syryana]

Mod, I will be LA until tomorrow.

[Egg]

Because it's more important to me that Bulb gets lynched than it is that I don't in a game where I'm not living to endgame anyway.

[Bulbazak]

For those not on the Egg wagon: Look at Egg's interactions with Kuribo. Notice how Egg thinks Kuribo is scum. Look at the mod's post about who wins in the event of a tie. Do the math.

Explain this to me like I'm five. I'm not following

Spoiler: Kuribo vs. Egg

Just lynch bulb tomorrow.

Not princess. Princess is still confirmed not wolf from the bet.

And syryana is confirmed town from Mod interactions.

This town has no excuse for losing. We're still in a very good spot.

While bacde looks town, don't let him slip into a fake "confirmed" territory. He could still be scum.

Goodmmorning might be scum.

DO NOT FORGET that Kuribo is thene and probably mafia.

That's pretty much all I got. Sorry I never caught up today.

Holy shit


egg says he only has read two of my posts

PROBABLY BOTH POSTS WHERE I QUESTIONED HIS VOTE

ive posted 56 times on a number of subjects and you havent read them? except the posts where i directly addressed you?

might as well forget getting my slot lynched, ive only been mislynched twice in five fucking years. And you aint half as good as CKD or GreyICE

gotta at least pretend to scumhunt dude

Bulb, show me where princess and syryana were confirmed as scum. A Mod post or guilty result will do just fine.

Kuribo, I'm not caught up. I don't have nearly as much free time as I did when I first started playing mafia five years ago. I've seen the same thing happen to CKD and CTD. Greyice not so much, but still. It can happen. That's why I hardly play anymore and if I do it's only one game. But trust me when I say after roughly 200 games I can catch the tells that are 99% accurate like syryana's and princess's. If they both survive to endgame, we can't lose. That's why I desperately want this princess lynch to not happen.

Your tells are bullshit hope that helps



and i was referring to the fact that theyre the only two scum to ever get me lynched as town, so its good that you realize youre not as good as them

See, you just dropped another nearly bulletproof tell. i wish DGB was here so she could tell you how accurate it is that "I DONT HAVE MUCH FREE TIME" is as a scumtell.

and youre in the same position benmage was in against me in wire mafia. he had designated ActionDan as the mislynch but knew that wasnt gonna happen when i replaced into the slot. so he tried to push me based on his old cases.


i fucking verbally deatroyed him for twenty pages


try and mislynch me, fucker. ive been guarding my gate a long time.

THIS SITE IS LITTERED WITH THE BONES OF THE SCUM FUCKS THAT TRIED TO LYNCH ME

THEIR SPIRITS HOWL IN ANGUISH

THEIR FLESH CONSUMED BY WORMS

THEIR SOULS CONDEMNED TO BLACKEST HELL


JOIN THEM IF YOU DARE, FUCKER, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE DEAD QT, TELL THEM KURIBO SENT YOH

Dont hide now beetlejuice, you werent too fucking busy to read when i memtioned your name


i had way more to read than you and im caught up


its only getting worse from here you scum fuck

unvote, vote kuribo

Cuz why the fuck not.

No one wants to lynch me to leave princess and syryana alive. No one wants to lynch bulb. I don't think goodmorning has been voted.

Wouldn't it be hilarious to watch kuribo piss and moan that he's being mislynched and then we see his scum flip.

I'm sure it won't happen because princess is being lynched but it would be insanely funny.

By the way DGB always says I'm scum when I'm town. Then again she says everyone is scum at one point throughout each game.

unvote, vote kuribo

Cuz why the fuck not.

No one wants to lynch me to leave princess and syryana alive. No one wants to lynch bulb. I don't think goodmorning has been voted.

Wouldn't it be hilarious to watch kuribo piss and moan that he's being mislynched and then we see his scum flip.

I'm sure it won't happen because princess is being lynched but it would be insanely funny.

By the way DGB always says I'm scum when I'm town. Then again she says everyone is scum at one point throughout each game.

Im also the only person on site that has a 100% accuracy reading DGB over five years.


i can smell your fear.

IT CAN REPLY TO ME BUT IT CANNOT READ

NOW PUT THE FUCKING LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR ELSE IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN

Other than egg being scummier to me than princess, about the same as i mentioned before.

bacde stronger town read
mac and syr may as well be masons together
princess disappearing again doesnt look good to me
pretty sure youre town
not quite sure about goodmorning. leaning townish i think

egg and princess for death first. at least one scum there.

Okay, admittedly not as adversarial as I thought it was. Egg essentially starts posting fluff when Kuribo lays in on him. I think he tried to pick a fight with Kuribo and called him scum, but saw that he couldn't win it. Whether he thought Kuribo was actually scum or not, I can probably see Egg killing him just to keep Kuribo from tunneling him today.

But I felt that Egg reacted because of a mafia read, due to this:

Seven to bed, six will rise. As a friendly reminder, this game comes with special endgame mechanics.

If the mafia and werewolves ever make up equal numbers, with no protown roles left alive, then mafia win. Mafia also win if a day phase begins with one mafia, one werewolf, and one protown.

That would have been a nice kick in the pants for Egg, and I think he killed Kuribo because of this. In summation: He thought Kuribo was mafia. He saw he couldn't kill him. The mod reminded him that mafia would win in the event of a tie. He killed Kuribo in order to prevent that.

Bulb, if I was wolf who was going to kill the mafia at night, I probably wouldn't be repeating over and over in thread that I think that person is mafia, especially when I'm not even pushing that lynch.

Don't try to WIFOM me. I've already explained why you'd kill a Kuribo mafia read. You knew you wouldn't be able to lynch him, and the mod's reminder spurred you into action.

Bacde, bulb thinks I'm wolf. Mafia wins in unusual ways in this game. Bulb is suggesting that I am wolf who saw the Mod's post about how mafia can win and shot Kuribo trying to kill the mafia because I was very sure kuribo was mafia. See the first part of this post for my response to that.

I see you're working on your subtlety. Are you saying that I'm mafia or wolf?

Also see how willing I have been to die to keep town alive (the princess lynch and my plan to lynch down syryana's list).

Again, WIFOM. You could have simply offered yourself up as a sacrifice, knowing that nobody would actually kill you. That does not earn you towncred.

No. The only problem is if he's wolf and is lynched tomorrow, mafia wins. I'd actually love to lynch the wolf today to give us two chances at mafia. But if we mislynch today, tomorrow needs to be about the mafia. Wait. Shit. Lemme check something.

6 alive. Mislynch=5. NK=4 (2t,1m,1w). Lynch wolf=2t/1m.
6 alive. Mislynch=5. NK=4 (2t,1m,1w) lynch mafia=2t/1w +NK. Wolf wins.

So yeah. Scratch that. Tomorrow is about the wolf if we mislynch today. And I have confidence that this town will lynch Bulb without me in that situation. I don't want to speculate too much past that but yeah. I'm cool with me/bulb in either order and I'm pretty confident that's the way it will play out.

This is so incredibly fake. This is essentially him putting on a show. "Crap, I may not have actually considered the state of the game. Here, let me work it out in plain view of everyone. See: I'm just as blind as you are. I must be town." Not buying it.

[Mac]

Why would egg have killed DBK Bulba?

vote Bacde

[Bulbazak]

Why would egg have killed DBK Bulba?

vote Bacde

I explained that earlier. Bo was a tricky slot to read. If he ended up being mafia, Egg took out another member of the mafia team. If Bo was town, Egg eliminated a potentially useful town player. It was a win-win.

[Egg]

Bulb, what do you mean by "whether he thought kuribo was scum or not"? It should have been clear from Day 1 I thought that slot was scum. And why would I be worried about kuribo tunneling me with all of the other people that were saying I was scum?

If my response gets dismissed as WIFOM, so does your point. You are WIFOMing the kill so of course the response is going to be WIFOM. Now, I don't have a problem with WIFOM, but if you're going to use it, don't jump to dismissing my response because it's WIFOM.

Mac, why the Bacde vote?