Newbie 1382 (Game Over)

[pitoli]

Shall we just vote again since nothing has essentially changed? After retreading during the night phase, my reads are pretty much the same. Caught a lucky break with the ML I guess.

[pitoli]

Lol Rmpeacoc. Do you still think me scum?

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 2.1

lortaku (1)

: rmpeacoc

No Vote (8)

: JerryArr, jon_h61, Kattaze, lortaku, Mr. Flay, notquitethere, pitoli, Xiao Long

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Tuesday, June 25 at 4:00 PM CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-06-25 16:00:00).

[rmpeacoc]

It's not even that I thought you were scum... more that some of your acts were scummy. I'm willing to see more. Lortaku was always my foremost scum read. I'm not sure I would have fully supported a wagon on you, Pitoli, though I would have liked to see you more pressured... I wonder what the reaction would have been.

[pitoli]

It's not even that I thought you were scum... more that some of your acts were scummy. I'm willing to see more. Lortaku was always my foremost scum read. I'm not sure I would have fully supported a wagon on you, Pitoli, though I would have liked to see you more pressured... I wonder what the reaction would have been.

That's interesting, so you no longer want pressure on me? I was looking forward to your case on me. Did you back off because you realized you didn't have one?

If anything I would have thought it'd be easier now to push a me/Lortaku team, seeing as how I didn't hammer.

[rmpeacoc]

Clearly my case on you has a lot to do with your play style. You seem to pretend like I was all over you, as though I said I wanted you lynched, which I didn't. I've been on the lortaku wagon all along.

I wouldn't mind pressure on you but at this moment I'm not sure what good it will do. I really think we're sitting ducks until we decide on a lynch, and there's no use dragging it out to the deadline.

[notquitethere]

The mislynch is balanced by the fact that there was no night kill. One us knows that someone is either the NK target or scum and they can be looking at that person's actions more critically over the coming days. This means that though no kills have taken place, town is in a stronger position than on Day 1.

VOTE: Kattaze, why didn't you do something useful with your vote yesterday?

[JerryArr]

I would be for a lortaku lynch, although I strongly suggest waiting for everyone in the game to post, because 1) More posts, info, and analysis for everyone is a good thing, and 2) Gives power roles a chance to breadcrumb their actions. If we end Day 2 within 24-48 hours, I will be disappointed.

I do find it very odd that Pitoli and Flay would both just assume lor had the needed votes. I'm hoping it was an honest mistake, they were both in the top half of my reads yesterday.

[pitoli]

#355 was horrible. Let me tell you why.

Clearly my case on you has a lot to do with your play style.

When exactly did you make this conclusion clear to everyone?

You seem to pretend like I was all over you, as though I said I wanted you lynched, which I didn't.

A blatant lie because of this post:

I think it's clear the two lynches I'd go for at the point are lortaku and xiao, with pitoli at a close 3rd... Just so that you guys know where I'm at.

and also this one:

As far as Pitoli goes, I'm not singling you out, but my scum read on Xiao is dwindling (though like flay I am suspicious of his turn around, seeming more cooperative now). So that leaves lortaku and pitoli that I see as scum.

I've been on the lortaku wagon all along.

More bullshit. You were the 4th vote on Lortaku (L-1) when we were getting close to deadline.

[pitoli]

VOTE: Rmpeacoc

[pitoli]

You seem to pretend like I was all over you, as though I said I wanted you lynched, which I didn't.

Also, I just noticed this. You say I'm pretending or making up the scum read you had on me.
As town, what incentive would I have to pretend? Only scum needs to pretend about that sort of thing.

Soooooo you think I'm pretending and yet, you obviously won't call me scum.

[Kattaze]

The mislynch is balanced by the fact that there was no night kill. One us knows that someone is either the NK target or scum and they can be looking at that person's actions more critically over the coming days. This means that though no kills have taken place, town is in a stronger position than on Day 1.

VOTE: Kattaze, why didn't you do something useful with your vote yesterday?

I'm not sure if you read my posts yesterday but the deadline was at 5:30am where I live so I couldn't be on. When I last looked at the game, jon and Jerry were both on 3 votes, and lortaku was on 2. I did all I could to procure a lynch on jon, but it didn't work.

I am going to VOTE: jon like yesterday because my reads haven't really changed. Although, like pitoli said, rmpeacoc's play has some inconsistencies which need answering. Might be a scumtell but so far I think it's just careless/forgetful play.

Does anyone else think it's odd how both pitoli and Mr. Flay miscounted the votes? Really want jon and Flay's take on the no-lynch as well.

[pitoli]

On my part at least, the miscount was an honest mistake. I don't think there's anything I can say to convince town one way or the other. ):

[rmpeacoc]

#355 was horrible. Let me tell you why.

Clearly my case on you has a lot to do with your play style.

When exactly did you make this conclusion clear to everyone?

I asked you multiple times to post more often... I said I wanted to hear more from you and that I thought you seemed scummy more than once.

You seem to pretend like I was all over you, as though I said I wanted you lynched, which I didn't.

A blatant lie because of this post:

I think it's clear the two lynches I'd go for at the point are lortaku and xiao, with pitoli at a close 3rd... Just so that you guys know where I'm at.

'it's clear the

two

lynches I'd go for at the (this) point are lortaku and xiao'

I mentioned you as a third scummy player. I never said I wanted you lynched. Read more closely.

and also this one:

As far as Pitoli goes, I'm not singling you out, but my scum read on Xiao is dwindling (though like flay I am suspicious of his turn around, seeming more cooperative now). So that leaves lortaku and pitoli that I see as scum.

Yes, OUT OF EVERYONE you seem to be the one that could be scum. Sorry, I misworded that one... I should have said 'scummy'. If was sure you were scum I would have been more about lynching you, I would have ISO'd you, and I would have put a hell of a lot more pressure on you.

I've been on the lortaku wagon all along.

More bullshit. You were the 4th vote on Lortaku (L-1) when we were getting close to deadline.

Read back darling. I never said I started the wagon, but was scumreading him all along. Sorry, my 'vote' hasn't been on the wagon, but my READS have.

Tags fixed. ~Zaicon

[rmpeacoc]

sorry, i effed that up somewhere. In the middle part THIS was me:

'it's clear the two lynches I'd go for at the (this) point are lortaku and xiao'

I mentioned you as a third scummy player. I never said I wanted you lynched. Read more closely.

[jon_h61]

I can't figure out if Kattaze is scum going for tunneling me, or just misguided Town. But right now I don't care. I do find it strange how he says everyone else's scumtells

could

be from Town, but is SO certain I"m scum. Why are you so interested in my opinion, when you'll just use it to somehow forward your agenda. I really don't think you're scum hunting. If Kattaze could get me mis-lynched I wonder who his next target would be.

My "take" on the No Lynch is it was a wast of time, but it got redeemed by No NK. It gave us some info we didn't have before. Any PRs that want to breadcrumb their info, I'd be cautious as can be. If scum can find it, you've just played into their hands. If you blocked a kill, look for things that person did and come after them hard for mistakes they made in their play. But try to not expose yourself to scum, unless the reward is worth it.

@ Jerry Why did you tell Kattaze you were sorry in 336?


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My laptop is dead in the water, so I have to "borrow" computer time ATM. But I'll do my best to keep up.

[pitoli]

I've been on the lortaku wagon all along.

More bullshit. You were the 4th vote on Lortaku (L-1) when we were getting close to deadline.

Read back darling. I never said I started the wagon, but was scumreading him all along. Sorry, my 'vote' hasn't been on the wagon, but my READS have.

Why are you lying, Rm?

For most of Day 1 you didn't refer to Lortaku at all besides indicating he was a newbie and likely needed a lot of help with figuring out how to play.

The first time you mention anything about him being scummy is #245, a mere page before you voted him.

Now I'm wondering why you were telling me and Jerry not to pressure Lortaku for lurking, even telling me off for wishing that Lortaku would replace out. If you really were scumreading Lortaku all along, you wouldn't have cared about the votes on him. And you definitely wouldn't have minded about a replacement - which would have probably enabled you to get a better read on your supposed

"top scumread"

. Lortaku's active lurking would have earned a lot more suspicion from Town-Rmpeacoc, not this "let's help the newbie out" crap which I feel is a much softer position and more likely to come from scum.

[lortaku]

From how I perceived it, Kattaze was a good candidate for a Night Kill, and I'd assume that the Mafia aimed him during the night, and the doctor protected him. Otherwise it's too coincidental for the doctor to just happen to random protect the right target.
Since I have barely any scum reads, I'll contribute what I can : I don't think Kattaze is scum (I know at this point it really feels like the two of us are scumbuddies, and if one of us flips scum that would really suck [particularly because I'm very scummy to you guys]).
In #323, Kattaze said that he was expecting to be NK'd, and I'm sure some doctor would try to protect him. The other possibility is that he is scum and purposely did that with a no NK, but that's really unlikely, as it doesn't confirm him as town, and wastes a night for Mafia.

[rmpeacoc]

@pitoli - Before that point was bullshit with Xiao. I didn't call anyone OTHER THAN Xiao scum before I vote Lortaku. I also wasn't around all that much and when I was I was being insulted and attacked. Please go ISO everything I said before I voted Lortaku and tell me I was changing my reads.

No, I don't think lurking was a good reason to vote him. Which is why I questioned you and Jerry.

However my reason was understandable, and I DID have a reason, and when I voted him was probably the first time in the game that I had a chance to get a clear head.

All of the shit where I was being attacked and before that when I wasn't around doesn't really count in your argument because as I said I didn't really have a scumread on anyone but Xiao... and after that xiao changed a bit... got more towny to me.

Regardless after all of the crap with xiao and after lortaku DID SOMETHING SCUMMY I voted him. So yeah, imo... when I could finally focus on the game, I was on the lortaku wagon. This should all be clear to you if you've been paying attention in the game.

NEVER did I say I wanted you lynched... and I think that was the whole point of your vote on me in the first place, no?

[pitoli]

I voted you because, at least from my perspective, you are trying to rewrite things you said/did yesterday.
To have inconsistencies like this, you are either scum or careless town.

[rmpeacoc]

No, you voted me because I said I never watched to lynch you.

I never watched to lynch you.

You also voted me because I said I was on the lortaku wagon when I was the 4th to vote.

As soon as shit was over with xiao, I was on the lortaku wagon. I was also one of the only ones voting him with an actual reason.

Any points you ATTEMPTED to make AFTER voting me are not reasons for voting me.

[pitoli]

Sigh... Please don't put words in my mouth.

I'd like to hear from the other players about what they think of rmp/my interaction on this page.

[JerryArr]

@ Jerry Why did you tell Kattaze you were sorry in 336?

In 315, I accidentally referred to him "her", which I didn't realize until Kat corrected me in 323.

From how I perceived it, Kattaze was a good candidate for a Night Kill, and I'd assume that the Mafia aimed him during the night, and the doctor protected him. Otherwise it's too coincidental for the doctor to just happen to random protect the right target.
Since I have barely any scum reads, I'll contribute what I can : I don't think Kattaze is scum (I know at this point it really feels like the two of us are scumbuddies, and if one of us flips scum that would really suck [particularly because I'm very scummy to you guys]).
In #323, Kattaze said that he was expecting to be NK'd, and I'm sure some doctor would try to protect him. The other possibility is that he is scum and purposely did that with a no NK, but that's really unlikely, as it doesn't confirm him as town, and wastes a night for Mafia.

We don't know if there's a doctor right now, there's only a 1/3 chance that there is with how this game is set up. Otherwise, this seems kind of WIFOM'y.

I'd like to hear from the other players about what they think of rmp/my interaction on this page.

I'm more inclined to take your side. Peacock didn't mention Lor as scum until less than six days left, and then put him at L-1 (after saying "fine." in 266, making him the fifth person total to vote him after you, me {which I unvoted}, Xiao, and NQT.)

[rmpeacoc]

jer... I said 'fine' because I was ASKED to use my vote. I already stated that I didn't want to put Lortaku at L-1 when there was still time left in the day.

Again, look at what was going on before that. All of the shit with Xiao made me focus on him. Also I didn't have a scumread on Lortaku until he did something scummy. The rest of you were on him for lurking.

pitoli i'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm simply explaining what you said in 358.

[pitoli]

If you want to argue semantics because of some poorly-worded posts of yours, be my guest.