Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Amrun]

Nero, do you have meta of SK hunting early game as town? As scum?

no and no.

Did you fakecrumb as mafia? They do do that ya know?

Uh, what? How does that question even make sense?

I haven't crumbed anything in particular (on purpose). Even if I had, what did you expect me to do, go, "YEAH, I'M MAFIA AND I LAYED ALL THESE FAKE CRUMBS!! HERE THEY ARE!!! ALSO IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO CRUMB BEING SK!"

lolwut

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 2.5

ThAdmiral 2

(GoodCop_BadCop, Belisarius)

Ms Marangal 2

(Amrun, Demon)

Amrun 1

(Nero Cain)

Belisarius 1

(sword_of_omens)

Demon 1

(ThAdmiral)

Not Voting 3

(Selkies, Ms Marangal, Iecerint)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is June 20th at 11:59 PM US Eastern. This is in (expired on 2013-06-20 23:59:59).

[Ms Marangal]

Sorry Thad, I read up until 'wagon analysis' and just stopped. It's bullshit and the whole "1 scum between selkies and demon" conclusion you've managed to arrived to is srsly nothing more than sputtering drivel. 1) you are very very bad/paranoid town (hey why not both). or 2) you're scum and you want to look town by starting some revolutionary wagon on obvtown.

still reading up.

What? there is no way you are Obv town.

all this does is discredits Thad's work

Iece yes, my PM did explain the dangers of the dream-world

[Belisarius]

I only really want to lynch ThAd upon the agreement that if he flips town, we immediately string up Marangal.

I'm fine with this; my reasoning on both players is linked, so I think if I'm wrong about one, I'm probably wrong about both and vice versa.

[Iecerint]

Nero Cain, why are you voting for Amrun?

[Belisarius]

Wait a minute, why are we assuming that if ThAd's flavour name actually is Mat, that makes him town? What's to stop the scum from having names that are aligned with the Light in the source material? The wiki specifically cautions against this.

[Iecerint]

Wait a minute, why are we assuming that if ThAd's flavour name actually is Mat, that makes him town? What's to stop the scum from having names that are aligned with the Light in the source material? The wiki specifically cautions against this.

Are you saying that you have been thinking leads-as-scum this entire game, or is that a possibility that just occurred to you?

[Belisarius]

What I'm saying is "Why would we think character names are in any way alignment indicative?"

[Iecerint]

I understand that -- I am asking when that particular possibility dawned on you.

[Belisarius]

Between #1003 and #1005, when I realised that Swords' entire defence of ThAd was based on the nameclaim being alignment-indicative.

[Selkies]

So what has Orc been saying in the hydra?

Nothing. Sorry. Working now.

[ThAdmiral]

Does anyone else think demon is scum? Opinions pls.

[Selkies]

Does anyone else think demon is scum? Opinions pls.

We do not.

- f

[Selkies]

BC what are your current thoughts about Iece?

- f

[Nero Cain]

Nero Cain, why are you voting for Amrun?

Amrun is some kind of scum. Weather its an SK or mafia I don't really care. Also of note is Beli, I mean I don't just go "a second kill, must be mafia!!" Occam's razor says no.

MAAAAYYYBE

its scum that's showing off his inside information.

Amrun>>selk>>beli>>GCBC

[Selkies]

Nero, it kinda makes me sad, but orcinus and I both have town reads on you now. Orcinus would call his a strong town read I think.

Amrun is bothering us both.

My feeling is that there is something off about all the PR claims but I'm thinking that could be an artifact of game design rather than all of the players, themselves.

I maybe agree with half your scum list. And I'd add iece to it

- f

[Nero Cain]

When did I become a town read to you?

[Selkies]

It's been a slow process. You were over halfway there before the end of day 1.

It's been a slow process for me. You were over halfway there before the end of day 1. Orcinus has been catching up with the thread every 2-3 days. I mentioned I was leaning town on you this morning and he was all "No duh" about it.

- f

[Iecerint]

HMMMMMMMMM

VOTE: Amrun

This is mainly sheeping Nero, but it's also coming off of Amrun's "I think I might know why he thinks this" post, too. I think this is consistent with Amrun perceiving that the night game may have implicated her as scum and crumbing for an alternate-history story.

This is frustrating for me because I have Nero as gutscum outside of the Nero->Amrun thing that's happened today BUT what'd'ya do...

[Ms Marangal]

VOTE: Demon

I'm unsure of Thad's claim though having a commuter who doesn't experience the dangers of the dream-realm could be plausible.

Thad, I have been going after Demon all game, and the fact that someone else see's his scumminess makes me feel like I'm not crazy. He's been trying to hand-wave away every point raised against him, I don't see how he hasn't been lynched yet.

[Amrun]

HMMMMMMMMM

VOTE: Amrun

This is mainly sheeping Nero, but it's also coming off of Amrun's "I think I might know why he thinks this" post, too. I think this is consistent with Amrun perceiving that the night game may have implicated her as scum and crumbing for an alternate-history story.

This is frustrating for me because I have Nero as gutscum outside of the Nero->Amrun thing that's happened today BUT what'd'ya do...

Obviously, you're right. I wasn't really crumbing, though, I was outright saying.

I'm obviously some flavor of PR, so I may as well say it. I targeted Matt last night so I thought Nero tracked me. It would have to be that, because if he watched Matt, he would have seen at least one other person because I most certainly did not kill him.

I didn't think Matt would die last night because of his inactivity.

I was ALARMED by this because he concluded SK. In my mind, seeing someone visit someone dead and concluding SK was like WUT. I was really confused, because my gut reaction was to say only scum would do this, but I wasn't sure my gut reaction made sense, especially since it wasn't confirmed that's why he thought it.

As it turns out, that's NOT why he thought it, but I'm still unsure what that means. His reasoning is pretty loopy, to me, and the fact that he now seems to be backtracking and including mafia is a possibility confuses me more. If he had started out of the gate with that it would have been a lot more straight forward, but that isn't the case.

[Iecerint]

I was ALARMED by this because he concluded SK. In my mind, seeing someone visit someone dead and concluding SK was like WUT. I was really confused, because my gut reaction was to say only scum would do this, but I wasn't sure my gut reaction made sense, especially since it wasn't confirmed that's why he thought it.

Yes, this also crossed my mind. But, I don't think this weirdness from him makes you town, and given maybe-investigative crumbs from Nero, I don't think lynching him first makes sense, so.

[Amrun]

I'm a cop of some kind. So if he's crumbed investigative, show me where asap because if you're not misinterpreting, it COULD mean we should auto lynch him with great impunity. Either way, you should know he's not a cop, because his flip flopping on SK issues means he didn't get a guilty on me.

And if Nero is scum, it DOES actually make me town (or at worst SK, which I'm also not.)

[Iecerint]

Yes, my point was that I would've thought that you were different-scum if he flipped investiscum.

By maybe-investigative crumbs, I'm just referring to his dayplay today that we both noticed.

The fact that you have half-claimed investigative does make things more complex.

[Amrun]

I seriously doubt we have multiscum in such a small game. I don't know the flavor... does that make sense? Are there two enemy groups?