NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[mastin2]

Seventy-Second Votecount

:

(Fifth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Damn, I missed a page" votecount.

)

Rena - 6 (Nero Cain, Cephrir, ffullisade, Seanald, Desperado, Bacde)

Nero Cain - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Bacde - 1 (Kublai Khan)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Slandaar)
ffullisade - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (ArcAngel9)

Not Voting - 7 (CrashTextDummie, PeregrineV, penguin_alien, ThAdmiral, Rena, Amethyst Kitty, Om the Destroyer)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Rena is at L-4!

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
Nachomamma8 is V/LA until Tuesday, Jun 11th.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Rena - 6 (Nero Cain, Cephrir, ffullisade, Seanald,

Desperado

,

Bacde

)
Nachomamma8 - 0 (

Bacde

)
Nero Cain - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Bacde - 1 (Kublai Khan)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Slandaar)
ThAdmiral - 0 (

Desperado

)
ffullisade - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (ArcAngel9)

Not Voting - 7 (CrashTextDummie, PeregrineV, penguin_alien, ThAdmiral, Rena, Amethyst Kitty, Om the Destroyer)

Last votecount was page 140, post 3475.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

CrashTextDummie:
Cephrir: Rena
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
PeregrineV:
Nero Cain: Rena
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena
Bulbazak: ffullisade
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena
penguin_alien:
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty
Seanald: Rena
ThAdmiral:
Rena:
Kublai Khan: Bacde
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: Rena
Om the Destroyer:
ArcAngel9: Cephrir

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,

Nero Cain

votes

Rena

in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Bacde

in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,

Desperado

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,

Bubazak

votes

ffullisade

in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Cephrir

in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,

Seanald

votes

Rena

in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,

Desperado

votes

Rena

in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,

Bacde

votes

Rena

in post 3522.

There is a mod-edited voutecount on page 141.

Spoiler: Post 3500

Rena - 5 (Nero Cain, Cephrir, ffullisade, Seanald, Desperado)

Nachomamma8 - 1 (Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Bacde - 1 (Kublai Khan)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Slandaar)
ffullisade - 1 (Bulbazak)
Cephrir - 1 (ArcAngel9)

Not Voting - 7 (CrashTextDummie, PeregrineV, penguin_alien, ThAdmiral, Rena, Amethyst Kitty, Om the Destroyer)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.

[Bacde]

I've never caught a scum before! It feels awesome! *squeals like a little girl*

Right?!

I was pretty stoked about yesterday tbh, so I'ma give you a chance to have the same fun

[Bulbazak]

139:

Selfish bastard. >>>

Don't you know it.

Meh Pere might be scum and bulba might be scum too

actually Pere/bulba replace nacho/AA9 nicely on my scumlist

This is sudden. Reasons please.

he linked a post of what questions he wanted answered, I answered them

Quote please.

up for a cephrir wagon as well if anyone wants to get that bitch rollin back up

Do you actually have a case on him, or is this you continuing to sit on the sidelines and keeping your hands from actually getting dirty?

On to page 140.

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Rena

[Desperado]

Bulb, you don't have anything to say about Peregrine and Thad claiming that ActionDan and DLG had confirmed themselves as town pre-game?

[Bacde]

This is sudden. Reasons please.

I dunno a bunch of people were saying Pere/Bulba and I got caught up in the emotions of it all

plus, Nacho (who is one of my scumspects) defended AA9 (who is another one of my scumspects), so they would make sense to me as a team, or as both of them town

My logic is hard to explain but its quite often right

[PeregrineV]

Buddy analysis, part I: thez posts

SCUM:
Haylen
ThAdmiral
Om the Destroyer
Desperado
Cephrir
Amethyst Kitty

At this point thez is pretty clearly going down. penguin_alien has disappeared compared to the original scumlist for no discernible reason. Desp, AK and myself have appeared on it, also for little discernible reason.

I'd like you to elaborate on this. If Thez was "going down", then what would be the point of his "list"?
You only indicated it, so I assume you see relevance to it, and I'd like to understand what you see in it.
Is he indicating his choices for red scum, or merely trying to list townies and create WIFOM? Do you think he included bluescum on his scum list?

[Cephrir]

If we assume thez is aware he's going to be lynched at that point, he might try to distance. Then again, he might realize this and WIFOM. Alternatively, he might include his legitimate guesses at redscum, and remove his scumbuddies since they aren't redscum. So I don't know, but it's interesting nonetheless.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, what made you switch your vote from Thad to me?

your "scumcho is voting him, so he's probably town" post.

Asking for a case isn't scummy

, but I could do without the OMGUS that came with it.

tell that to KOC.

Though its not like reasons haven't been given.

They've been given in roundabout ways and it's not really that hard to requote them.

@Rena your attitude towards my playerslot is illogical at best, especially with you saying that only "idiot" scum wouldn't shoot me over Thor when we likely have 2 scumteams--therefore your implication that I am scum because I didn't die at night is invalid due to me STILL being able to be shot even if I was scum

Why didn't you address this point the first time I made it, instead opting to leave your vote where it was and not interact with me?

why do you think Rena as scum would miss this point?

I've never caught a scum before! It feels awesome! *squeals like a little girl*

you're about to be disappointed again

[Cephrir]

I was pointing at the last possibility when I said that though I think

[Nachomamma8]

I think if she flips scum then I think nacho very well might her partner.

you know better than this mollie because this is crap

[Nachomamma8]

it has been my experience that when a player comments on the intelligence of the scumteam, they are usually scum. this is one of the most reliable tells I have ever had. I have seen town drop it in a lateral way and need some games to be completed to see how reliable the tell is when applied laterally but this is a very direct representation of that tell and as soon as I get the okay from fery we are going to vote you.

i think that players who prefer scum more are more likely to comment on how stupid the scumteam is
i also think it's a better tell under pressure because it's a subtle "oh, I'm not so stupid that I would do a kill THAT bad!"
and it also doesn't really work in multiball
since they are distancing themselves from one team, but not the other
sooo

[Bulbazak]

140-142:

Are you deliberately misremembering to iso me as Haylen?

...no? How would I know that you had all these notes if I didn't ISO Haylen?

Why are you avoiding the question to ask something that should have been obvious?

You say that you remembered to ISO both accounts, yet you somehow miss all of those posts regarding B&B? I call bull crap.

Are you deliberately misremembering to iso me as Haylen?

is this you pretending that you are not Haylen?

because thats the opposite of what you said here:

Hi, HAYLEN here. My account is experiencing major chat issues. Because the lobby was blocking my PM, ISO and preview buttons, now SOMEONE opened a private conversation with me which I can't close and it's blocking my submit button. So until this is sorted, I'm stuck with this account.

With this many players, it we aren't going to miss one townie. Unless that one townie is THE GOLDEN TOWNIE and needs to be around sp we can win the game. Setting up a lynch for the hammer tomorrow is ridiculous when we don't know the facts or the night kills yet.

This is a blatant misrep.

By your accounts Rena unless you are THE GOLDEN TOWNIE we can lynch you because we aren't going to miss you

Wait, is this a lynch on scum or a policy lynch? Your stance on the matter is confusing me.

Also, why are you voting for me?

Following all that up with this is also suspicious.

Cephir. How do you know how many players are in a scumteam?

Where did he say that?

@Bulda: You're missing the point. Of the three posts I quoted, the second is the least relevant. The first and third posts are the important ones (I quoted all three of them mostly because they comprise every time fuzzy ever mentioned Ryu).

But you're ignoring the context in which the posts were made. As such, all 3 are connected. Fuzzy saw a cute fox gif and decided not to vote Ryu because of it. In pregame, that's a null tell, and in fact, it actually makes me lean town on the slot, as I think town would be more likely to unvote due to something like that during the early game. Scum would feel the need to justify it, however, Fuzzy did not.

I'd actually like someone to restate the Rena case. I do not want to see anything to do with Fuzzy in pregame, nor do I want to see anything involving Rena asking for a case. Because as far as I know, that's all anyone has, and it is all crap.

Bulb, you don't have anything to say about Peregrine and Thad claiming that ActionDan and DLG had confirmed themselves as town pre-game?

It would have to be something major to make them so confident that each other are confirmed town. However, I don't think we're going to see it, and since I doubt both of them are scum, I see it as kind of a moot point.

Unvote

Vote Bacde

I think you're scum and that you're vengeful claim is fake. Let's tango.

[Desperado]

You say that you remembered to ISO both accounts, yet you somehow miss all of those posts regarding B&B? I call bull crap.

I didn't miss the posts. I didn't find them relevant because after all of that, she still had them as a townread. So she claims to have a bunch of notes from the first 90 pages about scummy B&TB, she tangles with them extensively, and then they're just town at the end of it all.

And by her own admission, those scummy actions from B&TB were the vast majority of her "nine pages of notes and several scum reads." She's referenced the notes multiple times (specifically how they aren't currently in her possession) but can't even provide some surface commentary on what they are?

[Bulbazak]

Reads change. I really don't find it that scummy. Now if you could find somewhere that she contradicted herself on her reads in a short amount of time, I might say you're onto something, but so far, I'm not seeing it.

[Rena]

I'm claiming because I'm pre-emting the 3 people who will vote me in the next hour while I'm setting up my newbie game.

Claim: Watcher.

I've crumbed multiple times.

Having been awake for 56 hours (nothing happened of interest

unless you count getting a puppy and passing my karate grading, I conclude that sleep deprivation is boring) you guys aren't my priority. I'll do posts and stuff when I wake up.

I've been watching the OmDes hydra, though, they seem protown to me.

Kublai makes my gut scum-o-metre tingle though. Not enough to go reaction hunting but enough to make me slightly uneasy.

The wagon on me is probably scum driven.

I targetted Bacde last night due to his Vig claim. Originally intended on watching Thor after establishing the multiple scumteam thing. That point is made here:

Hey bacde, who did you target last night, as vig?

I'm actually not vig, I was trying to draw the nightkill

I'm a reflexive night-vengeful townie

I don't believe you. Only idiot scum would target Thor over you.

That's why I was pissed off at Bacde. Had I targetted Thor as I originally planned, we'd have caught scum.

And here's the last one:

Sorry, unfortunately I'm not a mind reader,

I can only watch you all

, analyse you all and vote you all. I SEE WITH MY EYES DAMMIT, NOT MY INNER EYE.

I'm not caught scum. I'm mildly irritated that site meta has descended to epicmafia standards.

Now which of you picked up my massive breadcrumbs and tried to force a lynch over it.

[Bulbazak]

Actually, this makes sense. Red Ryu was a ninja. We were bound to have either a watcher or a tracker.

@Rena: Did anybody visit Om n1 or Bacde n2?

[Rena]

With that "who did you target?" question at Bacde, I was hoping he would claim roleblocked again, then my night action wouldn't have been completely useless.

No one visited either. That's how I know Bacde wasn't TARGETTED at all, by any scumteam.

[ffullisade]

UNVOTE: Rena

Will be talking to Mollie soonish.

- f

[Bulbazak]

@Rena: You up for a Bacde wagon?

[Rena]

@Rena: You up for a Bacde wagon?

Of course

Vote Bacde

[Bulbazak]

Btw, whatever happened to penguin? I had them down as a likely blue partner.

[Bacde]

why do you think Rena as scum would miss this point?

I don't think she missed the point

I just think she's not addressing it, the same way you aren't addressing any of my points which indicate to me that you are scum

[Bacde]

Welp UNVOTE:

sorry about fucking up your watch plan Rena

VOTE: Nachomamma8

[Bacde]

I have a plan:

Let's bandwagon the badass who got thezmon lynched without a case, while simultaneously complaining that there is no case on yourself when you are being bandwagoned!

Holy butt you are trying to give me a hernia aren't you Rena