NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Slandaar]

VOTE: Desperado

I would still lynch Rena. I don't see how a town watcher works within the setup when bluescum had a ninja.

[Slandaar]

Slandaar -

So because Thor flipped town it gives you the right to 180 your reads without explanation.

No, it doesn't.

I need no rights to flip my reads, if they change they change. Your reads apparently work slightly differently; you need to ensure there is a smooth transition... I wonder which alignment needs to worry about such things.

Thor flipping town made me reconsider a couple things it was the trigger.

Your tunneling is unbelievable against Thor D1/2 and reminds me of your scum tunneling on me in GoW.. I forgot how badly you tunneled there until I had to get a link from your ISO.

Yes Good Job on this argument as soon as I switch my read on you, you are trying to discredit me with the ridiculous tunnel argument. Funny it didn't come up any other time just coincidentally timed aye?

[ThAdmiral]

That would be fucking awesome if it were true. Little mafia splinter group! How cute!

Can't you just take our word on the matter and leave us be for now?

It would be awesome if you could actually be something vaguely resembling town in the thread.

But that takes so much effort...

I am trying you know, what with my recent reads and wagon analysis post. (I will get to the people I haven't iso'd yet)

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rena claim sounds reasonable

VOTE: Desperado

I would still lynch Rena. I don't see how a town watcher works within the setup when bluescum had a ninja.

What use is a ninja

unless

town has something like a watcher?

[Slandaar]

What use is a ninja

unless

town has something like a watcher?

Well if Haylen is Redscum... But that was my mistake.

[Nero Cain]

nope, we are killing liar scum Nacho today.

[ThAdmiral]

@ nero: why?

[Nero Cain]

In post 3533, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 3471, Nero Cain wrote:Nacho, what made you switch your vote from Thad to me?

your "scumcho is voting him, so he's probably town" post.

I made the post that Nacho is referring to in 3398 however, Nacho made the vote change 10 posts earlier in 3388 in what looks like, IMO, a chainsaw of Haylen. So Nacho is clearly lying about why she decided to switch.

[mastin2]

Om of the Nom wishes to replace out. Human Destroyer will be taking up his original position as a solo player, if he so chooses. I will be asking to see if he wants to stay in the game. In the mean time, votecount!

Seventy-Sixth Votecount

:

(Ninth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Oh I wish I were an honored scummie winneeeeer, but that would require flavor from meEEee" votecount.

)

Rena - 3 (Cephrir, Seanald, Desperado)

Bacde - 3 (Kublai Khan, Bulbazak,Rena)

Nachomamma8 - 2 (Bacde, Nero Cain)
Cephrir - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Desperado - 1 (Slandaar)

Not Voting - 7 (CrashTextDummie, PeregrineV, penguin_alien, ThAdmiral, Amethyst Kitty, Om the Destroyer, ffullisade)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Rena - 3 (

Nero Cain

, Cephrir, Seanald, Desperado,

Slandaar

)
Bacde - 3 (Kublai Khan, Bulbazak, Rena)
Cephrir - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Bacde,

Nero Cain

)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Desperado - 1 (

Slandaar

)

Not Voting - 7 (CrashTextDummie, PeregrineV, penguin_alien, ThAdmiral, Amethyst Kitty, Om the Destroyer, ffullisade)

Last votecount was page 145, post 3601.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

CrashTextDummie:
Cephrir: Rena
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty
PeregrineV:
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena
penguin_alien:
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado
Seanald: Rena
ThAdmiral:
Rena: Bacde
Kublai Khan: Bacde
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote
Om the Destroyer:
ArcAngel9: Cephrir

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,

Nero Cain

votes

Rena

in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Bacde

in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,

Desperado

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,

Bubazak

votes

ffullisade

in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Cephrir

in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,

Seanald

votes

Rena

in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,

Desperado

votes

Rena

in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,

Bacde

votes

Rena

in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

ffullisade

and votes

Bacde

in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Rena

in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,

Bacde

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Slandaar

in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,

Nero Cain

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,

Slandaar

votes

Desperado

in post 3625.

[Om the Destroyer]

Yeah, I'm staying in. I'll switch back to my normal account when I get the green light.

VOTE: Haylen/Rena

~

[mastin2]

And Human Destroyer is back in the game.

[Rena]

V/A for up to 48 hours.

My little bros been in a car crash.

<<< Noted. >>>

[penguin_alien]

@penguin

I am sorry I forgot you were in that game too. that was one of points was the aggressive roleclaiming. a watcher claim can be pulled off we saw it gears when messiah claimed on d1. he claimed a one shot though. I agree we probably shouldn't lynch her today but I just want to go on record that I think she is scum. she is exhibiting classic scum behaviour and if I had the confidence I would push for her lynch but I don't, mostly cos I don't know her.

Eh, not a game I'd want to be remembered for. I mean, kudos to IaI and the scum team, but being duped by a fake cop twice and mislynched at Lylo, hardly a shining moment.

Meta knowledge aside, it seems possible that Rena (hope your brother's OK) showing classic scum behavior might be more a side effect of having a PR and the overlap that can happen there. And I can't find where Messiah claims he's only one-shot. That is a game where the opposing scum faction had a Ninja, like Red Ryu, so another point where Rena could be claiming with a scum PR.

Human Destroyer, why the vote with no comment on the role claim? Your ISO has you saying that fuzzy was useless and shouldn't make it to endgame, but you don't say anything about why Rena was a good lynch, particularly in light of being an un-CC'd PR.

I'm not getting the Nachomamma8 case, even with reading my predecessor's ISO. It seems to be based on the idea that Bacde and Nachomamma8 are bussing each other, but since there's no proof that either is scum, it reads like a circular argument.

[Human Destroyer]

Human Destroyer, why the vote with no comment on the role claim? Your ISO has you saying that fuzzy was useless and shouldn't make it to endgame, but you don't say anything about why Rena was a good lynch, particularly in light of being an un-CC'd PR.

awkward interactions with red ryu day 1

wrt PR: wait what? fuck now I actually have to read

[Human Destroyer]

I'm claiming because I'm pre-emting the 3 people who will vote me in the next hour while I'm setting up my newbie game.

Claim: Watcher.

I've crumbed multiple times.

Having been awake for 56 hours (nothing happened of interest

unless you count getting a puppy and passing my karate grading, I conclude that sleep deprivation is boring) you guys aren't my priority. I'll do posts and stuff when I wake up.

I've been watching the OmDes hydra, though, they seem protown to me.

Kublai makes my gut scum-o-metre tingle though. Not enough to go reaction hunting but enough to make me slightly uneasy.

The wagon on me is probably scum driven.

I targetted Bacde last night due to his Vig claim. Originally intended on watching Thor after establishing the multiple scumteam thing. That point is made here:

Hey bacde, who did you target last night, as vig?

I'm actually not vig, I was trying to draw the nightkill

I'm a reflexive night-vengeful townie

I don't believe you. Only idiot scum would target Thor over you.

That's why I was pissed off at Bacde. Had I targetted Thor as I originally planned, we'd have caught scum.

And here's the last one:

Sorry, unfortunately I'm not a mind reader,

I can only watch you all

, analyse you all and vote you all. I SEE WITH MY EYES DAMMIT, NOT MY INNER EYE.

I'm not caught scum. I'm mildly irritated that site meta has descended to epicmafia standards.

Now which of you picked up my massive breadcrumbs and tried to force a lynch over it.

um woah

didn't see that coming

I've seen scum watchers though so this doesn't really reassure me in the slightest; going with the read over the claim here.

[Human Destroyer]

rena who did you target night 1

I can guess but I want a straight answer

[Bacde]

Still think its a possibility that Bcade was early distancing from scumCho.

Do you really think this?

I'm so amazed by this I just need you to confirm that you actually think this

[CrashTextDummie]

I've spent the weekend and then some in the hospital and am still woozy from painkillers. I'm also having trouble sitting down, which limits my capacity to read substantially. Didn't really get a chance to really chat with Slandaar as a result.

Haylen was a town read and watcher is a tough fake-claim to maintain. Scum Watcher is a theoretical possibility, but the ninja flip makes it much more likely in my mind that it's a town role. It's also consistent with fuzzy's play, who softclaimed having a PR before replacing out. Barring a counter-claim, she's off-limits to me.

PV/ThAd neighborhood is a puzzle I think we should solve sooner rather than later. Neither of them have played in such a way that the other should have such a strong town read and I really can't think of any way a neighbor could confirm themselves as town in the pre-game. They've both pinged my scumdar (PV harder than ThAd) and I'd be willing to run either of them up.

Cephrir has once again bothered me with his play today, though at this point I think I'm a fair distance into confirmation bias territory. I'm going to write up a comprehensive case against him (as soon as my health permits it) and will bounce it off some of my stronger town reads to figure out how far off track I am here.

Nacho is playing more forceful again and looks more town to me in the process. The paranoia is there, but not to the extent where I want to lynch him, I think.

I'll try to post some more after I've lain down for a bit.

[ArcAngel9]

Mastin, you're poking me again
there's whole lot of people yet to say so much still....

Cephrir has lot to explain though.... but my first prefernce would be DESPO unless if he can convience me as town.

[Cephrir]

I am not reposting it. Your continued insistence that I have something to explain because you're lazy is ridiculous.

[Nero Cain]

Still think its a possibility that Bcade was early distancing from scumCho.

Do you really think this?

I'm so amazed by this I just need you to confirm that you actually think this

yep, scum never ever attack each other. Its so silly for me to think they do.

[Cephrir]

I mean there's attacking and then there's this.

Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen something that looked less like bussing.

[Bacde]

Still think its a possibility that Bcade was early distancing from scumCho.

Do you really think this?

I'm so amazed by this I just need you to confirm that you actually think this

yep, scum never ever attack each other. Its so silly for me to think they do.

So you thinking that nacho and I could be scum together is just based on me attacking him?

Its hard for me to discern what you actually believe when all your responses to my questions are sarcastic and defensive

[Slandaar]

I think my super duper amazing point against ThAd was too subtle

[Nero Cain]

Oh like your posts are full of kind patient resolve.

After any scum lynch town should always ask themselves "Was this a bus?" "Were the interactions between these players town on scum or scum on scum?"

[mastin2]

Fair warning to you all, I'm probably going to be V/LA for a minimum of two and a half weeks starting tomorrow. I'll figure out a way to maintain access, but don't expect me to be as on top of my game. (And it's very possible I'll be reduced to simple votecounts during that timeframe out of necessity. We'll have to see.) I'll of course be doing everything I can, so with luck, you'll barely notice, but we'll have to see.