Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Nobody Special]

I'm not "expecting" anything. I'm voting.

[gene1991]

omg, slips don't exist.

[Nobody Special]

What?

[Bicephalous Bob]

[gene1991]

does that mean you changed your mind about thinking I'm not mafia?

[gene1991]

yessiree, what is your opinoin/read on Bacde?

[yessiree]

Bcade is too early to tell for me. I'm more suspicious of nobody special for his intention to equivocate.

[Bacde]

Can we lynch gene please?

Do you guys remember how when I made the post initially that said "Oh now I have a real scumread on gene" what his first response was?

It was to

immediately discredit it

and he made an attempt to

characterize it as a joke vote

. Also, he made no notice over whether it was alignment indicative, in fact I doubt he would think that I would have been posting "joke votes" at that state in the game if I was scum.

Yet, in his "reads post" he uses my early posts as "evidence" of being scum somehow?

Why is it that WHEN THE POSTS happen, he tries his damndest to discredit me and lessen the pressure of my vote and call it a joke, yet now later on in the thread he is going to act like my early vote was some sort of scum-pressure vote instead of a joke?

He's changing the target and he's being shifty and hes cheekily trying to reverse that pressure onto me. He's scum.

All of this ignores his original "accidentally claimed scum" post, which is right here:

Are you mafia gene?

That only works on me irl.

I cannot, for the life of me, imagine a town-aligned player responding to the question of "are you mafia?" by saying "THAT WONT WORK ON ME THSI GAME IS ONLINE". Its an

absurdly

defensive response to a simple question. A town aligned player is much more likely to say a simple "no" or even "No, do you think I am?" OR EVEN "Yes! Muahaha jk I'm trolling I'm actually town".

But I can't imagine a town-player saying "You won't catch me that way!" to such a simple question.

You guys can talk and stuff if you want, but we are lynching gene today and he will flip scum

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.2:

gene1991 (2) -

ChannelDelibird, Bacde

Yessiree (2)-

DoctorPepper, JKMatthews

ChannelDelibird (1) -

Bicephalous Bob

Nobody Special (1) -

Yessiree

Bacde (1) -

gene1991

Rikablu (1) -

Nobody Special

Not voting (1) -

Rikablu,

Day 1 will end at 11pm BST on Wednesday 24th June 2013.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Votes don't count unless they are bolded.

[Bacde]

Slips do exist, by the way.

I've seen them.

Haha

[gene1991]

Bacde, if you are going to say that I did all sorts of things, you need to link to the post for proof. because either you're lying or you aren't remembering correctly.

Can we lynch gene please?

Do you guys remember how when I made the post initially that said "Oh now I have a real scumread on gene" what his first response was?

It was to

immediately discredit it

and he made an attempt to

characterize it as a joke vote

. Also, he made no notice over whether it was alignment indicative, in fact I doubt he would think that I would have been posting "joke votes" at that state in the game if I was scum.

That was not the vote I was referring to when I called it a joke vote, I called your very first post 11 vote a joke vote.

Yet, in his "reads post" he uses my early posts as "evidence" of being scum somehow?

Why is it that WHEN THE POSTS happen, he tries his damndest to discredit me and lessen the pressure of my vote and call it a joke, yet now later on in the thread he is going to act like my early vote was some sort of scum-pressure vote instead of a joke?

He's changing the target and he's being shifty and hes cheekily trying to reverse that pressure onto me. He's scum.

all of this was based on what you said above, which was wrong. So this is completely baseless as well. but I think you're hoping people won't notice.

All of this ignores his original "accidentally claimed scum" post, which is right here:
[...]
I cannot, for the life of me, imagine a town-aligned player responding to the question of "are you mafia?" by saying "THAT WONT WORK ON ME THIS GAME IS ONLINE". Its an

absurdly

defensive response to a simple question. A town aligned player is much more likely to say a simple "no" or even "No, do you think I am?" OR EVEN "Yes! Muahaha jk I'm trolling I'm actually town".

But I can't imagine a town-player saying "You won't catch me that way!" to such a simple question.

This is why I say slips don't exist. If you are town, I can't believe that you think that that was a slip. As if maf would actually have trouble answering that question. The questions maf can answer the easier would be the ones that simply require saying "no" or whatever you said up there. How do you think that human psychology works? The 'are you mafia' question and its answers will never, ever be any indication whatsoever of alignment.

But the fact that you are taking something and blowing it way out of proportion and building a case with it is why I do think you are maf. You think it makes you look very logical and truly scumhunting to build this case.

But you truly are wrong, and I truly am town. And the way I answered the question makes sense in context. The context was I was telling someone I'm a bad liar and therefore bad at being maf because my face looks guilty, and then you asked me if I was maf, it sounded like a joke, as if you were pretending if I was maf I was going to look guilty through the computer screen. So I said, it only works irl, because clearly you can't see my face through computer screen and know if my face looks guilty or not.

But again, you're hoping people won't catch onto the actual context and will just vote me ASAP to end the day with minimal talking, because that's good for maf.

You guys can talk and stuff if you want, but we are lynching gene today and he will flip scum

You never answered my question:

And what happens when I don't? What will be your opinion then?

[Bacde]

And what happens when I don't? What will be your opinion then?

This is a question that makes assumptions that I can't make.

Namely, you are assuming that you will flip town--I can't know that and actually I disagree greatly. Also, this question has no purpose, I can't imagine you somehow scumhunting with the answer I would possibly try to give to this question.

I could ask you the same question in return, and it would make no difference. But lets do it as a thought experiment:

What will be your opinion when I flip town? What will

YOU

do then?

[Bacde]

But you truly are wrong, and I truly am town. And the way I answered the question makes sense in context. The context was I was telling someone I'm a bad liar and therefore bad at being maf because my face looks guilty, and then you asked me if I was maf, it sounded like a joke, as if you were pretending if I was maf I was going to look guilty through the computer screen. So I said, it only works irl, because clearly you can't see my face through computer screen and know if my face looks guilty or not.

MAYBE if you thought my question was a joke I could buy you "joking" in return

but your response is MUCH more likely to come from scum than from town

lemme think about this

[gene1991]

And what happens when I don't? What will be your opinion then?

This is a question that makes assumptions that I can't make.

Namely, you are assuming that you will flip town--I can't know that and actually I disagree greatly. Also, this question has no purpose, I can't imagine you somehow scumhunting with the answer I would possibly try to give to this question.

I could ask you the same question in return, and it would make no difference. But lets do it as a thought experiment:

What will be your opinion when I flip town? What will

YOU

do then?

Well I will answer that. Because I'm not 100% confident that you are maf. you are my strongest scumread, but it is technically possible you are town and this is just how you scumhunt, by pushing hard and fast. Not good for town, but w/e.
If you flip town, I will be moderately surprised and reread for who I think is next scummiest.

Not a hard question to answer. your turn.

[Bacde]

Bacde, if you are going to say that I did all sorts of things, you need to link to the post for proof. because either you're lying or you aren't remembering correctly.

That was not the vote I was referring to when I called it a joke vote, I called your very first post 11 vote a joke vote.

Here is evidence of you calling my "real" vote a joke vote and also evidence of you attempting to discredit it immediately:

oh snaps

VOTE: gene

this is a real vote, and I no longer have a slight townread on gene

omg, you can't possibly have an actual scumread already on barely page 2. but I like that you're actually trying to be serious this time because it makes me want to engage.

If youre town, you dont need to seem like youre not mafia gene.

Apparently I do, because people are really nit-picking for everything. so I have to even answer sarcastic questions such as "are you mafia" correctly to not seem like mafia. I don't know how to answer sarcasm correctly.

[Bacde]

Well I will answer that. Because I'm not 100% confident that you are maf. you are my strongest scumread, but it is technically possible you are town and this is just how you scumhunt, by pushing hard and fast. Not good for town, but w/e.
If you flip town, I will be moderately surprised and reread for who I think is next scummiest.

Not a hard question to answer. your turn.

My answer is the exact same, on the off-chance you flipped town I would reassess and continue to scumhunt.

Now you tell me this: What were you planning on doing with the answer to this question? How does it help you scumhunt in any manner?

[gene1991]

MAYBE if you thought my question was a joke I could buy you "joking" in return

but your response is MUCH more likely to come from scum than from town

lemme think about this

I wasn't joking. at all. I don't think I've made a joke today. not that I remember.
I think you're either purposely or innocently still misunderstanding what I was saying.

Basically (interpretation version):
I said you can tell by my face if I'm guilty or not. you said 'are you mafia?'. I said, you can't see my face so why are you asking.

[Bacde]

but it is technically possible you are town and this is just how you scumhunt, by pushing hard and fast. Not good for town, but w/e.

I have links of previous games that show this method being VERY good for town

[Bacde]

Basically (interpretation version):
I said you can tell by my face if I'm guilty or not. you said 'are you mafia?'. I said, you can't see my face so why are you asking.

Yes, I asked you if you were mafia

In my opinion, only a mafia would be worried or nervous about being caught by such a simple question, and thus only a mafia would answer this question in a defensive manner, saying something along the lines of "that won't work on me!" or "it won't be THAT easy to catch me!", which you did.

Its REALLY hard for me to imagine a town-player saying something like that, EVEN if you thought my question was a joke.

If you were town and thought I was joking, why wouldn't you say something along the lines of "No, but you won't even be able to tell that I'm not lying because you can't see my face!"

Its just a revelation of criminal trying-to-not be caught psychology

This reasoning doesn't even involve how IMMEDIATELY after you were VERY focused on looking like town and not looking like mafia--which isn't something town has to do.

[gene1991]

Here is evidence of you calling my "real" vote a joke vote and also evidence of you attempting to discredit it immediately:

How is that evidence? you talked about the "are you mafia" thing, which I already said is what I was talking about by being a joke.

I guess I see what you mean about the first though, in hindsight, it could have been serious, or it could have been more reaction testing. or a mixture of both.

My answer is the exact same, on the off-chance you flipped town I would reassess and continue to scumhunt.

Now you tell me this: What were you planning on doing with the answer to this question? How does it help you scumhunt in any manner?

So you waited until town answered that question so you could see how to best answer it too?
So your answer is that you would be "moderately surprised" when I flip town? Why moderately if you seem 100% sure I'm mafia?

That's precisely how I scumhunt with your answer. I think you're mafia for reasons I already mentioned. and I want someone to be able to say "i told you so" for me when it's tomorrow and I'm dead town. And I want you to feel really dumb. and if you don't feel dumb, then it's because you're mafia.

[gene1991]

but it is technically possible you are town and this is just how you scumhunt, by pushing hard and fast. Not good for town, but w/e.

I have links of previous games that show this method being VERY good for town

pushing hard, yes. pushing fast, no. the longer the games goes on the more information we have.

[Bacde]

So you waited until town answered that question so you could see how to best answer it too?
So your answer is that you would be "moderately surprised" when I flip town? Why moderately if you seem 100% sure I'm mafia?

Yes, I waited until you answered the question because even though I'm "inexperience-challenged", I forgot how a town would answer that question and just wanted to see someone do it so I could remember how to best answer it.

And "moderately surprised" must have been something you said, because I never indicated what my level of surprise would be. All I said is that I would reassess and continue. I honestly think my level of surprise is unimportant.

[DoctorPepper]

I actually think a yessirree/gene team is possible at this point. Why?
1. Their individual scumminess. Gene always wants to look town, he literally says this. And he refuses to scum hunt and instead opts to defend himself. Now, I dont think scum would actually say "Im trying to look town", but maybe this could be the product of him being new. Also, his reads list. Its basically a list of people being called town for reasons that sometimes dont make any sense. His reason for a town bob was based on his vote on CDB, by calling him out on the bandwagon when CDB's RVS vote was the first vote on him. Second, his reads for people who voted for him or expressed suspicion for him was null to scum, except for one notable omission, yessirree. Clarification, gene read this. Hypothetically, lets say youre town. Town doesnt know it, the mafia does. Hell, town doesnt know anyone, so if you were town, not everyone voting you is scum. Why? Because the town is basically blind, it cant tell who is who. Town is not some super sleuth for hire that just finds scum like that and inly scum vote for townies, if that were true, we wouldnt be playing mafia. Its called scumhunting, do it. I have no idea how someone is scum for being happy go lucky, thats a playstyle tell.
Yessirree's actions are odd. The statistics thing, while not scummy, is not helpful. The only statistics that matter to some people is their Win/Loss ratio. Bringing up statistics on who could be scum is dumb because there is no basis and Im glad to see you've stopped. His vote on gene was at L-1 and he didnt mention it, and he parroted my reasoning to boot. Then later he unvoted saying, "I want to remove the pressure and avoid an insta" when a) there was little pressure and b) he was at L-2 not L-1 so the insta thing wasnt there and it seemed like something to get town cred.
2. Interactions. Yes voted gene, which was opportunistic as fuck. This made me think that they couldnt be partners but then again maybe a) it was a vote to get town cred (whih didnt work) or b) he was ready to bus. The unvote as well made me cringe. Gene's reads list was the kicker. He listed suspicions on everyone who voted or suspected him, except Yessirree. This is odd because a) he reads yes as town for some useless reason like "he uses statistics, which make me think of him as maf, but I will rely on you later on so youre town" lolwhutttt. So he's town BECAUSE? I am drawing a blank. Its odd because b) yes freaking put him at L-1, he voted for you. I thought you thought everyone who voted for you was maf. And no one had good reasons to vote you? We all did, except for yes. So what is this? Being new, I doubt he'd bus, so he first said his partner was town, but then says "what you did makes you look scummy" while ignoring every other scummy thing he did like VOTING FOR HIM, which is what qualifies as scum in his book.

Why dont we lycnh one and see the flip. If he flips scum, we go for the other one. What does everyone think?

[gene1991]

In my opinion, only a mafia would be worried or nervous about being caught by such a simple question, and thus only a mafia would answer this question in a defensive manner, saying something along the lines of "that won't work on me!" or "it won't be THAT easy to catch me!", which you did.

No. No mafia on planet earth or any other planet would be worried about being caught by such a simple sentence. If that was it, we'd have far less unsolved crimes today. Cops would just say, "did you rape her?" and he would get all shifty eyes and sweaty, and.... case solved.

Its REALLY hard for me to imagine a town-player saying something like that, EVEN if you thought my question was a joke.

If you were town and thought I was joking, why wouldn't you say something along the lines of "No, but you won't even be able to tell that I'm not lying because you can't see my face!"

Actually that's something very like me to say. I could have just as easily said that.

Its just a revelation of criminal trying-to-not be caught psychology

Apparently I'm such a guilty mafia that I just cave under the pressure of 'did u dun it', but then now I'm going to all this work to show you that I'm not mafia? sounds like two different people to me.

This reasoning doesn't even involve how IMMEDIATELY after you were VERY focused on looking like town and not looking like mafia--which isn't something town has to do.

That's what people keep saying, but apparently I do have to worry about it because every little thing I say can be taken and made to have me look like mafia. and I know that's the game, and I'd do it too. but my point, apparently I do.

[Bacde]

And I want you to feel really dumb.

That's rude.

Unless you're cheeky mafia

I kinda want you to be mafia and not rude so