Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Bacde]

No. No mafia on planet earth or any other planet would be worried about being caught by such a simple sentence. If that was it, we'd have far less unsolved crimes today. Cops would just say, "did you rape her?" and he would get all shifty eyes and sweaty, and.... case solved.

Really? Because criminals

HAVE A RIGHT TO PLEAD THE FIFTH

because they accidentally incriminate themselves ALL THE TIME, because they get SO WORRIED

In general, a mafia is more nervous than a town. Thats a fact.

[Bacde]

Apparently I'm such a guilty mafia that I just cave under the pressure of 'did u dun it', but then now I'm going to all this work to show you that I'm not mafia? sounds like two different people to me.

Why does that sound like two different people to you?

Probably at the time you didn't realize you were "caving", and now you're playing "clean-up crew" by trying to save face.

[Bacde]

Why dont we lycnh one and see the flip. If he flips scum, we go for the other one. What does everyone think?

sure whatever

I'm actually not sold on yessirree scum but I'm down for at least lynching gene now and giving a good look at yessirree

[DoctorPepper]

Forgot to add. Yessirree, why do you question JK's vote on you but not mine when we had similar reasons.

Gene your posts made me facepalm. One, crimes? Rape? What place do they have in this game. Two, mafia do worry about getting caught, thats why they make their posts cautiously, because you look for a mafioso through 2 things. a) his posts motivation and b) his scumminess. Words are the only tool you have in this game, which is why maf should be cautious.

And slips exist! Slips are something the mafia accidentally says and they get caught by town for it, like if I was mafia, then I'd say something stupid that makes it obvious I was mafia.

Bacde, look at yessiree now. Or rather look at gene's list and his interactions with yes.

[DoctorPepper]

Both are at L-3 right now and Im comfortable lynching either of them at this point.

[gene1991]

@ Doctorpepper, those are actually some really good, solid reasons for thinking I'm maf. I think if I was in your place, I would totally think the same thing. unlike Bacde thinking I'm maf for how I answered "are you scum".
It's very logical to lynch me and see how yessir looks.

But just fyi, for you to read when I do flip town. it was more of a coincidence I guess. I stand by my reasons in my list thing.
I mean, it's not like anyone else was being bw'd, so the votes on me were really the only thing to talk about.

[Bacde]

If the scummiest thing about yessiree are his interactions w/ gene, shouldn't we lynch gene first before we even decide whether these "interactions" have any basis in reality?

[Bacde]

@ Doctorpepper, those are actually some really good, solid reasons for thinking I'm maf. I think if I was in your place, I would totally think the same thing. unlike Bacde thinking I'm maf for how I answered "are you scum".
It's very logical to lynch me and see how yessir looks.

Lol now you are just trying to "prove a point" rather than actually think through your reads by saying DrP is "oh so good" compared to me

Look dude, if you are town I need you to work hard WITH me, because I'm town and I'm not going to be lynched today. Both of those are facts.

I've listed more evidence than just how you responded to my simple question, but you are pretending it doesn't exist for some reason? What could be your town motivation to do that?

[Bacde]

Gene, sum up your reasoning for thinking that I'm mafia. I want to see this.

[gene1991]

That's rude.

Unless you're cheeky mafia

I kinda want you to be mafia and not rude so

I don't think that's rude. you are voting me for dumb reasons. you deserve to feel dumb when you are wrong. but since you're probably maf, you won't feel dumb, you'll feel mission accomplished. so, you don't have to worry.

I'm just getting annoyed. and so I'm done playing now. VOTE: gene
gl town.

there should be a forfeit button.

[Bacde]

Bacde - scum. it's really too soon to say scum with any real degree of confidence, but it's the closest I've got. I didn't want to put everyone at null. but basically posts 11, 20, 24, 26. I feel like he starts off this whole game with a very happy-go-lucky attitude. Not like arrogant or confident, but more like we are a bunch of little kids and he's going to have fun going easy on us. I know I could always be wrong, so I'm not saying this with much confidence. but in my experience, mafia ends up being the ones that were trying too hard to be town. this is what Bacde is here here, imo.

Saying "This is how this player is approaching this game" and then "Maybe that approach could be mafia?" isn't a good reason to think someone is scum, by the way.

[Bacde]

UNVOTE:

[Bacde]

Who else besides me is mafia gene? There are 2 mafia

Lets find your/my partner together?

[Bacde]

Tips for someone who has no idea what to do
1. Never self-vote or self-hammer. Remember that you are playing to win, and self-voting is ALWAYS playing against your win condition (whether you are mafia or town). There are barely ANY circumstances where it is in your win condition's favor to self-vote.

I full-heartedly believe in this

I don't want you to self-vote in frustration, so just work me through your logic

[gene1991]

@ Bacde, that's actually really sweet of you.
I think a selfvote is apparently helpful to town because they want to lynch me anyways to decide yessir's alignment. so I'm just helping that along.
As for your other question about who else is maf, I'll maybe answer it in a few hours. I'd have to reread everything. it took me like two hours to read/write up that list of my reads. and no one thinks it makes sense or seems consistent, but if I try to clarify, people think I'm defending myself and therefore mafia.
So my conclusion is that I need to learn what behavior is seen as "mafia" and what is seen as "town" so I can act accordingly. I feel like I'm autistic now or something.

[yessiree]

Forgot to add. Yessirree, why do you question JK's vote on you but not mine when we had similar reasons.

Gene your posts made me facepalm. One, crimes? Rape? What place do they have in this game. Two, mafia do worry about getting caught, thats why they make their posts cautiously, because you look for a mafioso through 2 things. a) his posts motivation and b) his scumminess. Words are the only tool you have in this game, which is why maf should be cautious.

And slips exist! Slips are something the mafia accidentally says and they get caught by town for it, like if I was mafia, then I'd say something stupid that makes it obvious I was mafia.

Bacde, look at yessiree now. Or rather look at gene's list and his interactions with yes.

Maybe you didn't read everything, but as I've said before, I DID NOT focus on the votes, JKM's jumping to conclusions just seemed rather ridiculous for me to accept. If you go back to re-read everything you will see this, I don't have explain myself twice.

On the other hand, after I put gene at L-1, you immediately unvoted. The interesting part is, after that, you vanished out in the background after. There is a possibility that, if gene is scum, you are his partner. You went into lurking to see how things unfold.

Next point, gene's list of reads does make it seem that he and I are scum partners. However, how much do you give credit to that? You are an SE, and it seems you are willing to lynch someone based on a scrambled list of reads from a flattered newb. The fact that you repeatedly state that you are comfortable with lynching either him or me, is a perfect distraction to get the center of attention from you, isn't it?

In addition, with only half of the players actively posting, trying to push a lynch without considering as many opinions as possible, makes me more suspicious of you. Bcade is not affected by this logic because he is the first to vote on gene, and he has a much more sound reason to keep it that way.

I will be watching you.

[Bicephalous Bob]

does that mean you changed your mind about thinking I'm not mafia?

No. your logic is still terrible, but I still don't think you're a mafioso. I'll repeat this one more time: we should murder Channel. He's the most suspicious lurker.

[yessiree]

^Why though? You have to give your reasons to support your claims.

[yessiree]

^Why though? You have to give your reasons to support your claims.

[DoctorPepper]

That was laughable. Maybe I faded into the background cause I have a life and I dont stay here 24/7? Maybe its because when the game started yesterday it was 6 am where Im from and I needed to go to class so I didnt post until today?
Maybe I unvoted because youre vote was opportunistic as fuck? Which it was.

Perfect way to get attention off me? Attention was never on me in the first place. And I believe I've stated my reasons as to why Im comfortable with a lynch of either of you. Funny how you are suspecting me right after I said you were scum. Lol, you didnt even read my arguments did you, you just saw your name and you were like "Holy shit, what the fuck bbq, he's on to me, must question everything, even if it all makes perfect sense"

[DoctorPepper]

Your*

[yessiree]

So many "maybe"s and question marks in your last post. Starting to feel uncertain, are you? Trying to word everything carefully in a question format so you are held less accountable for what you've said. I suspect anyone and everyone equally, and the more information I have, the better I can sort through the logic. If you actually READ all of my last post, you will note that I didn't actually label you as scum, I simply put the possibility out there. However, from the way you responded to my post, I'm starting to grow more suspicious of you. It looks like you are the one who jumped out of his chair and went "holy shit, how did this guy know?" And then you proceeded to write me 2 garbage paragraphs that didn't make a single logical statement.

And for your information, I read all of your arguments, but it is YOU who didn't read all of my posts.

Your vote switch on me, on the surface, looks like a good move in general.

Almost too good.

I voted him because I sensed gene's scum slip, whether that was indeed a scum slip or just inexperienced play, I was determined to put my vote on him to find out. It doesn't hurt the town to lynch someone like that.

So of course I'm not gonna sit idly and let you and JKM plot my lynch on day 2. That models the standard scum play; by making someone else the "common enemy". In this case that "common enemy" is me.

But this is a survival game.

And I am town.

So I will not be lynched today, I will not be lynched tomorrow, and I will not be lynched on any day thereafter. You can waste your vote on a townie if you like, or you can get off your lazy ass do some actual scum-hunting.

[DoctorPepper]

So many "maybe"s and question marks in your last post. Starting to feel uncertain, are you? Trying to word everything carefully in a question format so you are held less accountable for what you've said. I suspect anyone and everyone equally, and the more information I have, the better I can sort through the logic. If you actually READ all of my last post, you will note that I didn't actually label you as scum, I simply put the possibility out there. However, from the way you responded to my post, I'm starting to grow more suspicious of you. It looks like you are the one who jumped out of his chair and went "holy shit, how did this guy know?" And then you proceeded to write me 2 garbage paragraphs that didn't make a single logical statement.

And for your information, I read all of your arguments, but it is YOU who didn't read all of my posts.

Your vote switch on me, on the surface, looks like a good move in general.

Almost too good.

I voted him because I sensed gene's scum slip, whether that was indeed a scum slip or just inexperienced play, I was determined to put my vote on him to find out. It doesn't hurt the town to lynch someone like that.

So of course I'm not gonna sit idly and let you and JKM plot my lynch on day 2. That models the standard scum play; by making someone else the "common enemy". In this case that "common enemy" is me.

But this is a survival game.

And I am town.

So I will not be lynched today, I will not be lynched tomorrow, and I will not be lynched on any day thereafter. You can waste your vote on a townie if you like, or you can get off your lazy ass do some actual scum-hunting.

Lol, you actually thought those weren't rhetorical questions? (In case you didnt know, this was also a rhetorical question, L2R). You think I was asking you if I was online 24/7? Wow. Misrep.

Ironic "get of your ass and learn to scumhunt" statement. Ironic because it came from the person who decided that statistics are a way to determine if people were scum. Misrep.

"didnt label you as scum" while saying that if gene was scum, then I was scum. That is a label. Then later on you say that me and JKM are planning to lynch the common enemy, which is a scum strategy, so you lied you are actually calling me scum. Just out it and say it.

If it doesnt hurt town to lynch someone like that, why did you unvote and say "he needs less pressure"? In fact, you called me out for picking on him for his read list that could just be the product of him being a newb, yet you say "it doesnt hurt town to lynch someone like that". Logic right there.

I find your defensiveness odd. You arent in any real danger of being lynched, with only 2 votes. Yet you go on and say "I wont be lynched today, I wont be lynched tomorrow". Furthermore, you attempt to discredit me by saying my paragraphs against you are garbage where in fact they just answered the accusations you made against me.

Maybe you should get off your ass and scumhunt.

[yessiree]

"Lol, you actually thought those weren't rhetorical questions? (In case you didnt know, this was also a rhetorical question, L2R). You think I was asking you if I was online 24/7? Wow. Misrep."

If that is a rhetorical question, then you just said I thought those were rhetorical questions. Then the part in brackets was totally unnecessary; it also contradicts your first rhetorical question, btw. If the next sentence is a rhetorical question, then you said you weren't asking me if you were online 24/7. Of course I don't expect anyone to stay online 24/7. But how is that a misrep? Getting too defensive there, are you?

"Ironic "get of your ass and learn to scumhunt" statement. Ironic because it came from the person who decided that statistics are a way to determine if people were scum. Misrep."

You need to learn to read, quote me where I said that because I didn't. Now, if you can actually comprehend anything, then it's not hard to realize that I've only have 2 posts about stats. One of which was my opening post, and stats was just a way for me to start the RVS when there is absolutely no information whatsoever. The second one was the long post about some math that I've prepared beforehand; it was never intended to determine any role. Compare that to how many posts I have in this thread.

""didnt label you as scum" while saying that if gene was scum, then I was scum. That is a label. Then later on you say that me and JKM are planning to lynch the common enemy, which is a scum strategy, so you lied you are actually calling me scum. Just out it and say it. "

You are wrong again. I did not label you as scum. The "if (condition), then (result)" state is a way to state a possibility, not a fact. Google it, learn it, and use it. That is NOT a label, that is stating a possibility. So I did NOT lie about you being scum, again, I simply stated the possibility.

"Maybe you should get off your ass and scumhunt."

I have been scum-hunting from the start, certainly I've been doing it more so than what you have done, but it doesn't help when there's not much content.

[Bacde]

But this is a survival game.

This is only about survival for a mafia

for town this game is much closer to a detective murder mystery game