Mafia of the Raptured (Game Over!)

[hp [leaves]]

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Tammy this is a recent town game filled to the brim with AtE

I'm giving you a challenge. Find even a single scum game from me with even 10 AtE posts in it, if you want to use meta

you being aware of your meta just invalidates it

[hp [leaves]]

we can chase after sword_of_omens next. pjo was an easy target at that time and he jumped on it hard

[enomis]

Mattp seems better. I guess we can leave him today.
VOTE: Antagon
Agree with matt. His first read post 356 is scummy.

[enomis]

This is

L2

?

[Oversoul]

Matt you are like the only one who will ever complain at not being scum enough

[Zachrulez]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=16768

Tammy this is a recent town game filled to the brim with AtE

I'm giving you a challenge. Find even a single scum game from me with even 10 AtE posts in it, if you want to use meta

Your most recent scum game is at least 8 months old? Not to mention you just deliberately asked to be metaed which just introduces WIFOM to the whole thing.

[Zachrulez]

Oh and now I've noticed implosion.

I read Matt's recent posts. Matt is almost certainly town.

I read Zach's 182 in depth. I don't like it. Some of the points are legitimate rebuttals, but trying to defend the push on pjovek is a bit odd, and calling the difference between pushing for a full or a partial massclaim a "semantic difference" when it is in fact a rather large difference seems to be sidestepping the main point that's being made, which is that his push lacked context.

A large difference? The difference is in the amount of what is being claimed. My point is that regardless of the level of information being claimed, I see little town benefit from massclaiming partially or fully on day one and see potential scum benefit to having information from any kind of massclaim. (I feel like I'm turning into a broken record.)

As i continue reading his iso, nothing sticks out as particularly townish. He made a specific point earlier that his reads are subject to change, implying that this is important.

Yeah I did. So what?

I feel like he's dismissing a lot of Mattp's posting as scummy when it's just bad play. I use the word dismissing here because I think a lot of his posting on matt feels like he's assuming that matt is scum and then deriving that Matt's play is bad scumplay. i.e., 493. Even not buying that argument does not make Matt scum. Even if his argument is completely wrong, that doesn't mean that Matt doesn't genuinely believe it. A bad argument can still be genuine.

You can genuinely believe in a bad argument and be scum, just saying.

The big elephant in the room with Matt is his vanilla town claim, it just comes out of nowhere, completely unpromted with only one vote on him... so you can't even argue that there were a lot of votes on him to where he could have misconstrued the vote count to believe he was at lynch -1.

Then his reaction to this "realization." It just doesn't ring true to me. It just feels way overacted.

So you have confused the hell out of town scum play on one side vs WTF town on the other, and to me it just makes more sense that it's more likely the former is what's going on. It's not that I'm dismissing town possibilities completely. It's that I find them less likely to be the case here.

HOORAY I DID THINGS

By doing things you mean affirming and further justifying your zach suspicion? I mean if you have any other suspects in this game I don't know about them. I just have my eyebrow raised because your play is starting to get to the point where you're determined to find something suspicious in my play and I'm not really sure if you're interested in the game as a whole or if you're just singularly interested in getting me lynched, and if the case of the latter if it's because you think I'm scum (hrrrrrrrrm) or simply because you think you can get me lynched. (I've read a bunch of quicktopics where scum actually bet on this.)

So yeah.

[sword_of_omens]

sorry guys...works been crazy...i'll be posting today...

[fferyllt]

I'm more or less ready to vote now, but I don't want to potentially cut needed discussion off if someone comes right behind me with a vote. I don't feel like players have particularly sorted me and in fact feel like sorting me fell through the cracks during the MattP discussion.

[Tierce]

Antagon, claim. For someone who is busy with school, you have had plenty of chances to be active on the site. This game is not a priority of yours.

Regardless of this flip, MattP dies next.

[Tierce]

lol I thought an early vanilla claim as Town would make me look like Town as Town

Yeah no, Matt. Total bullshit.

[Tierce]

Oversoul any time you feel like not being useless it'd be great. Either shape up or get out. Sideline posts that have nothing to do with the game and zero content are ridiculous.

Katsuki is probably Town if Antagon is scum. MattP is scum regardless. Actually rather nice pile of Townreads if -things-, so etc.

[Syryana]

Whats up guys

Someone tell me what's going on

[Katsuki]

Would also lynch Kats.

Tierce I'm still hurt over this comment and would love to know why you made it.

[Tierce]

You would, wouldn't you?

Quite willing to lynch you if Antagon flips Town.

[MattP]

What would be my scum motivation for claiming vt

I'd like you to make a full step by step analysis of everything I've done from a scum standpoint rather than just say you don't believe me

[MattP]

Saying its total bullshit is bullshit. Just because you don't agree with my thought process doesn't make it scumtent

[Antagon]

You want me to claim? Okay.

I claim Poo from EarthBound.

For some reason, I can use teleportation as kind of a JK/Ascetic type role. If I target a player, no actions can be taken by either player. No actions can affect either player, unless my target decides to kill me.
Yeah, I don't really understand how my role works.

[Tierce]

I'd like you to make a full step by step analysis of everything I've done from a scum standpoint rather than just say you don't believe me

Yeah, no. I have better things to do with my time, and by now it's obvious I don't want

you

lynched right now, so bugger off. I don't have to make a pretty case for you. It's also obvious what's the scum intent in an early VT claim, and there isn't an inch of Town intent in claiming at that point in a game with the Apocalypse mechanic.

Where are your Townreads? Where's that supposedly awesome post that was to come last Night?

[Tierce]

I claim Poo from EarthBound. For some reason, I can use teleportation as kind of a JK/Ascetic type role. If I target a player, no actions can be taken by

either

player. No actions can affect either player, unless my target decides to kill me.
Yeah, I don't really understand how my role works.

Who is

either

? How do you have multiple targets?

[Tierce]

Antagon, how do you know your role is an Ascetic/JK mix? Have you ever played/seen an Ascetic in play?

[Antagon]

I'd like you to make a full step by step analysis of everything I've done from a scum standpoint rather than just say you don't believe me

Yeah, no. I have better things to do with my time, and by now it's obvious I don't want

you

lynched right now, so bugger off. I don't have to make a pretty case for you. It's also obvious what's the scum intent in an early VT claim, and there isn't an inch of Town intent in claiming at that point in a game with the Apocalypse mechanic.

Where are your Townreads? Where's that supposedly awesome post that was to come last Night?

Unfortunately, I think I said that I would post content today or tomorrow. I will post it later today along with Townreads.

I claim Poo from EarthBound. For some reason, I can use teleportation as kind of a JK/Ascetic type role. If I target a player, no actions can be taken by

either

player. No actions can affect either player, unless my target decides to kill me.
Yeah, I don't really understand how my role works.

Who is

either

? How do you have multiple targets?

I said it badly.

No actions can target me or my target. My target and I cannot have any actions, unless I target someone who tries to kill me.

Antagon, how do you know your role is an Ascetic/JK mix? Have you ever played/seen an Ascetic in play?

I assumed I could technically "jailkeep" someone because if I target someone who tries to use an action, it will fail unless the target tries to kill me. The role flavor said that targeting someone would protect them from any kill attempts made on them. It also makes them Ascetic because no actions can affect them.
So, yes, I've played with an Ascetic-type role off-site.

[Tierce]

The first post you quoted was for Matt, not for you. But yes, I want to see actual content from you.

I need to think on this some, and busy atm, so don't do anything stupid for the next few hours, you bloodthirsty lot.

[Zachrulez]

What happens if someone who you don't target tries to kill you?

[Antagon]

What happens if someone who you don't target tries to kill you?

It will fail. I am protected from kills unless I target someone who tries to kill me.