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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:35 pm

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In post 673, MattP wrote:"hm oversoul says something that I wanna pretend I thought of myself, so I'mma post the thing that Oversoul said acting like I didn't see he already said it for towncred"
My thought process for you was more...

"Hmm oversoul posted something, let me jump on it to make myself look town"
Your subsequent posts were designed to protect that original thought process.

I know I'm ridiculous but you have to get used to it. :P
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:00 pm

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~Vote Count XIX


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Antagon (5)
~ Katsuki, Amrun (Pjovek), hp [leaves], Zdenek, enomis
MattP (3)
~ Tammy, Tierce, Zachrulez
fferyllt (2)
~ MattP, Syryana
Zachrulez (1)
~ implosion
Amrun (Pjovek) (1)
~ sword_of_omens

Not Voting:
fferyllt, Antagon, Oversoul


-Amrun replaces Pjovek. Welcome her!

--With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:01 pm

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In post 675, Oversoul wrote:I know I'm ridiculous but you have to get used to it.
It's ok I forgive u
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:28 pm

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Okay so I exist!!!

But I warned mod pre-replacing that I won't be able to catch up until Monday, due to work and phone posting until then.

I'll be like, here and checking the thread(ish) but expecting me to know wtf is going on will just leave me going LOL until I can sit down with the thread.
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:39 pm

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You have yet to accept my friend request, Amrun. :(
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:45 pm

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In post 668, MattP wrote:It's a little bit mean that you don't think I could feel his post was fake and rationalize from there yo
Don't lie Matt, you know you have a friend helping you read the thread. It's OKAY. You can admit it. We're all friends here.

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Matt do you know what one of my biggest fears is right now? That you're appealing to me, and trying to get me to doubt myself, and then you're in your scum qt laughing about what a softie I am and how it was just too easy to make me doubt myself because I'm like self-doubter extraordinaire.
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:46 pm

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In post 679, Katsuki wrote:You have yet to accept my friend request, Amrun. :(
On what? If it's Steam, I don't have computer access on the weekends due to work!!

I promise I will on Monday!
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:50 pm

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I am "appealing" to you by doing what you ask, which is trying to be more even-tempered and less of a prick, but unfortunately I have no QT to be laughing in <3
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:50 pm

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In post 667, Oversoul wrote: Hmm...
That's interesting. I've never really had someone go deep into my meta.
I didn't search into your meta, that's based on the games we've played.
OS wrote: I'm not sure where you get the fact that I was very overtly suspicious of you? From my comment about you being more than likely town? I had a feeling that you were town but once you started having suspicions about me after calling me town is what sealed the deal, especially as no one has been chiming up about my alignment and you brought it up on your own volition.
Yeah, when you made that comment I thought it sounded like you were saying that you were unsure of my alignment.
os wrote: I really don't know how to tell that I am town because you read me through tone but yes I did change my playstyle.
I think you might be able to see the difference in Fortnight as that was the beginning of the change when DGB, Kuribo, and Tbone were just hammering it into the rail that I was scum because I was playing "weird". I mean.. you can look across everything (please don't make me explain this) to see if my play has changed overall or if it is different here. I would argue it has. It has changed because I'm not trying to get as emotionally invested into games as I used to since playing mafia seems much easier that way. I took things pretty personally before and saw shadows in the dark (if this game is still going on and certain events occur) I'll explain. I got bitter about being lynched, about getting accused of being scum, about being wrong with my scum reads. These things would carry over into real life where I would be agitated or angry if people started accusing me of things and the mood wouldn't go away until I forgot about things. I'm trying to make mafia less in-tune with my life and be less serious about it.
I don't know if it has really helped me in mafia but it has certainly helped me that I'm not distracted during the day by the emotions brought on by mafia.
As a somewhat emotional player, I get this. I followed along in Fortnight and all the reasons they brought up to suspect you was why I knew you were really obviously town in that game.
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:50 pm

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In post 682, AngstyMatters wrote:I am "appealing" to you by doing what you ask, which is trying to be more even-tempered and less of a prick, but unfortunately I have no QT to be laughing in <3
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:56 pm

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SYRY - Is your dinner over? Can we talk about ffery?
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:57 pm

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...I kinda wanna lynch antagon or implosion.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:04 pm

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In post 442, implosion wrote:today was an even lazier day than usual. I can probably be convinced to vote mattp later when i have the mental lack of laziness to read things.
In post 514, implosion wrote:I read Matt's recent posts. Matt is almost certainly town.

I read Zach's in depth. I don't like it. Some of the points are legitimate rebuttals, but trying to defend the push on pjovek is a bit odd, and calling the difference between pushing for a full or a partial massclaim a "semantic difference" when it is in fact a rather large difference seems to be sidestepping the main point that's being made, which is that his push lacked context.

As i continue reading his iso, nothing sticks out as particularly townish. He made a specific point earlier that his reads are subject to change, implying that this is important. I feel like he's dismissing a lot of Mattp's posting as scummy when it's just bad play. I use the word dismissing here because I think a lot of his posting on matt feels like he's assuming that matt is scum and then deriving that Matt's play is bad scumplay. i.e., . Even not buying that argument does not make Matt scum. Even if his argument is completely wrong, that doesn't mean that Matt doesn't genuinely believe it. A bad argument can still be genuine.

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The jump immediately from the first to second post, really regardless of my alignment, would be unlikely from scumplosion

If he were scum I don't think he'd just make an uncalculated statement that I could deserve voting since it just seems too sloppy/lackadaisical and suppose he was going for that type of sloppiness specifically because it doesn't look scummy, I don't think he would then turn around the next post and do a 180 without justifying his Matt-town read. He's too "free from guilt" with his posting and too jumpy. "Hooray I did things" was also cute just in general
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:07 pm

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Oh. I think I've had a meta discussion about implosion recently. Need to check my chat logs.
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:23 pm

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Tammy--I still want to go over things with you and Syryana, but apparently didn't sleep well tonight. Coffee + shaking myself awake means it will still be a few hours before I can read through attentively and get something useful out, so it probably won't work out in real time.
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:41 pm

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In post 688, Tammy wrote:Oh. I think I've had a meta discussion about implosion recently. Need to check my chat logs.
:(. We didnt really. Just in general discussion about implosion being obvious scum in mafia behind the maiden.

Matt - I don't buy that as any sort of town tell from implosion.
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:47 pm

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In post 689, Tierce wrote:Tammy--I still want to go over things with you and Syryana, but apparently didn't sleep well tonight. Coffee + shaking myself awake means it will still be a few hours before I can read through attentively and get something useful out, so it probably won't work out in real time.

I'll be around for just a little bit. I have thoughts I wanna give on ffery, but hopefully will be passing out soon. If I do fall asleep soon though, I'll be around in the morning for a bit. So maybe not real time, but I might be able to respond before Monday evening.
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:50 pm

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Wait. Tammy is a hydra?
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:56 pm

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In post 692, enomis wrote:Wait. Tammy is a hydra?
No. But sometimes a friend of mine I do hydra with will discuss players meta if following or discussing games.
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:54 pm

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I'm going to sleep, and I want to hear what syryana has to say about ffery first as I think he's wrong. And I want antagon to give his role name. His claim and the way he made it doesn't make sense.
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:58 pm

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In post 579, Antagon wrote:
In post 576, Syryana wrote:
In post 574, Antagon wrote:
In post 573, Zachrulez wrote:What happens if someone who you don't target tries to kill you?
It will fail. I am protected from kills unless I target someone who tries to kill me.
So you're unkillable unless you target someone that targets you for death?

That's.... pretty fuckin OP.
But in a game where the death of one role makes it Night for the rest of the game...
It might be all the stress but did Antagon just softclaim "the role"?

Why is he still alive and not hanging?
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:06 pm

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Uhhh no, that is certainly not what that meant

That was a joke, right?
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:11 pm

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Antagon did not softclaim anything (he was talking about the Apocalypse mechanic, which means it makes sense for some roles to be somewhat more powerful), and it's pretty understandable if he got the mechanic definition wrong. It doesn't make it Night for the rest of the game, but it makes it Instant Night and very fast Days.

As I said before: Vi games usually have daytalk for scum.

And another tidbit: Vi tends to provide full fakeclaims; even if they don't include the role, they tend to hint toward what can be fakeclaimed from it (see Mafia Through a Puppy's Eyes, for example; the pillow fakeclaim was just a flavor claim, but it hinted heavily at "this is a fakeclaim for a roleblocker/jailkeeper"). The role is elaborate enough that it makes sense from Vi (either as a real claim or as a fakeclaim, and Zdenek--if it is a Vi-provided fakeclaim, it's going to make sense in the setup, so stop with the "omg overpowered kill it kill it" cries), though I would also like to know what is the actual role name.

A Vi game would have a few ways of getting around such a role for scum, if it is a Town role. Don't worry your pretty little heads about it being an overpowered claim.
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:34 pm

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Do Vi games include fakeclaim abilities? As in, they send in a role and Vi sends them back a role PM for that.
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:34 pm

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I think my government has blocked mafiascum.net but lel proxies
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