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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:43 am

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In post 223, Bicephalous Bob wrote:The role PM doesn't clearly say whether or not a townie has to be alive to win. I assumed,
even after I read the role PM
, that the real winners are the ones who live to tell about it since that's the case in most games. Bacde said yessirree was probably town because he was using a uncommon survival tactic, so I said I, too, wasn't aware of this:
Did you only just read the town role PM?
What do you think about DoctorPepper?

I've read the thread, but I'm having trouble putting someone down as scum...
Anyone got hints/links as for what to look for?
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:59 am

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In post 223, Bicephalous Bob wrote:The role PM doesn't clearly say whether or not a townie has to be alive to win. I assumed,
even after I read the role PM
, that the real winners are the ones who live to tell about it since that's the case in most games. Bacde said yessirree was probably town because he was using a uncommon survival tactic, so I said I, too, wasn't aware of this:
Did you only just read the town role PM?


Bacde already explained that you don't have to be alive to win. So, if I only just read the PM, I wouldn't have thought that the real winners are the living ones after I read the role PM, would I?

What do you think about DoctorPepper?


Probably townsfolk.
DoctorPepper wrote:
You win when all threats to town have been eliminated


Unless you are a threat to town, its okay to be eliminated. Im not buying it.
So you can't understand that a new player would think that the goal of a game, in which people are killed, is not to be killed even though it isn't explicitly stated in the role PM?
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:13 am

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@Bob, do you still think I'm scum?
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:38 am

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[quote="In post 171So of course I'm not gonna sit idly and let you and JKM plot my lynch on day 2. That models the standard scum play; by making someone else the "common enemy". In this case that "common enemy" is me.[/quote]Do you suspect JKM/pepper as scum team. If so, why didn't you vote any of them?

Voting for someone that's hiding in the shadows.

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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:43 am

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I'm not if you to explain why you said
In post 171, yessiree wrote:Your vote switch on me, on the surface, looks like a good move in general.

Almost too good.
and
In post 171, yessiree wrote:And I am town.

So I will not be lynched today, I will not be lynched tomorrow, and I will not be lynched on any day thereafter.
Especially the latter is bothering me. You seem to be implying that being lynched is something that only happens to bad guys. You were L-2 at that moment.
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:53 am

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The first one was just trying to get a reaction out of doctorpepper so I can make a judgement on him.

As for the second one, what if I also didn't know that in order to win as town, I needed to be alive? Your defending yourself is also based on fact that you want to win by staying alive. But after what Bacde said, if you're a too good of a scum-hunter, your death isn't necessarily a bad thing, because your posts will be considered coming from a town's perspective. After that, I wouldn't mind dying anymore, but what about
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:58 am

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In post 228, Pebro wrote:[quote="In post 171So of course I'm not gonna sit idly and let you and JKM plot my lynch on day 2. That models the standard scum play; by making someone else the "common enemy". In this case that "common enemy" is me.
Do you suspect JKM/pepper as scum team. If so, why didn't you vote any of them?

Voting for someone that's hiding in the shadows.

Unvote; Vote ChannelDelibird
[/quote]

No, I don't suspect JKM/pepper team. Not before JKM posts anything new.
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:00 am

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EBWOP: ^err, Pebro forgot to close the opening quote tag properly

my last post includes this and this only "No, I don't suspect JKM/pepper team. Not before JKM posts anything new."

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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:21 am

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Votecount 1.4:


ChannelDelibird (3)-
Bacde, Nobody Special, pebro
Bicephalous Bob (2)-
Rikablu, DoctorPepper
Yessiree (2)-
JKMatthews, Bicephalous Bob
pebro (1) -
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Rikablu, Yessiree

Day 1 will end at 11pm BST on Wednesday 24th June 2013.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:40 am

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@Mod, I think doctorpepper has his last vote on Bob
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:54 am

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In post 230, yessiree wrote:As for the second one, what if I also didn't know that in order to win as town, I needed to be alive?
If? Did you or didn't you know that you needed to be alive?
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:41 am

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In post 225, Pebro wrote:I've read the thread, but I'm having trouble putting someone down as scum...
Anyone got hints/links as for what to look for?
Hey Pebro!

Check out my first post in this game to see quite a few links about mafia theory/tips for finding scum and playing well! (You can find my first post in the game by clicking on the link that says (ISO) right at the top of this post.

Also, I'd recommend checking out some completed newbie games to see how scum/town interact in different ways!

Basically, we are looking for people who are using fake or false reasoning to get others lynched.
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:04 am

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There are some useful points on the wiki, but not something I can use to pinpoint mafia. I guess there isn't a magic guide to find mafia.

Checking out some completed games seems like a good idea. You said you played before with the SE's. Could you link games you've played with them before?
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:07 am

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unvote

Vote: Bi-Bob


Yep, that's a scumsllip.

Pebro: CDB usually is much more active. I've seen experienced players (not necessarily CDB), when they have newbie scumpartners, who tend to lurk and not call too much attention to themselves.
....what?



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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:45 am

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I'm L-1. The vote count is incorrect.


I don't have time to defend myself. I might be dead the next time I'm online, so remember I said yessirree and CDB are the baddies.
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:02 am

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Votecount 1.5:


Bicephalous Bob (3) -
Rikablu, DoctorPepper, Nobody Special
Yessiree (2) -
JKMathews, Bicephalous Bob
ChannelDelibird (2) -
Bacde, Pebro
Pebro (1) -
ChannelDelibird

Not voting (1) - yessiree

Day 1 will end at 11pm BST on Wednesday 24th June 2013.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Can you please place your vote on a new line, otherwise it may get missed.

ChannelDelibird has been prodded

This votecount has been checked and checked and checked so it is 100% correct (I hope). Please correct me if it's not.
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:11 am

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Hello. This is an example of how not to participate in Day 1 of a Newbie Game.

Don't be like me.

So yeah it turns out that Civilisation V is a time-sucker. However, I'm going to catch up on this game right now despite my 25%-awake state. Then I'll be ready to roar properly tomorrow! Again; don't be like me.
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:33 am

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posted just 10 minutes after bring prodded eh?

so, what's sup channeldelibird
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:47 am

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The timing just worked out well on that. Nexus and I are on the same timezone, which probably helps. I'm mid-read, putting together a post of my thought processes as I get through the pages. Will be ready shortly.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:07 pm

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I'll highlight a few posts I found that stood out to me as I read through but I'll try to keep things concise. I hate reading walls and I hate making other people read walls from me - I'd rather not encourage you guys to write overly long catchup posts (SE tip: Don't put yourself in a position where you need to catch up!)

yessiree's post 67 gives me "you caught me for the wrong reason" scumvibes; it's been used to catch me out before. There's a confidence of "ha, they'll never get me like that" that suggests scum.

For the opposite reason, yessiree's post 102 implies otherwise. Given that gene had been at lynch-1 for a page or more at this point, was a quicklynch so likely? And why be scared of it? If anyone rushed to quicklynch gene from that point, we would have learned a lot about their alignment. This post makes me think that yessirree is more concerned with looking responsible and town than he is about finding scum.

gene's 106 feels like a good reason to UNVOTE: gene. I may not agree with his reads here (and by 'may' I mean 'do') but it seems like he's put some effort into scumhunting, as asked, and they don't look like they're reads that he's made up to appease us. He can be town for now.

Or can he? I'm now up to Bacde's 143, which makes me wonder if I've had that reaction to gene's list of reads because I'm coming into it fresh after a few days, with gene's scumminess not really in my mind very much anymore. I'm considering revoting gene but we'll see at the end of this post.

OK, by the next page gene is posting stuff like this 155, trying to appease Doctorpepper by complimenting how he's come up with his reasons for wanting to lynch gene while also appealing to emotion as his way of convincing him not to follow through.

It's getting later and this post is getting longer so I'm going to start being a little more streamlined and skimmy with the promise of going back over things tomorrow. So: Doctorpepper is town, Bob is town. Gene's self-vote is annoying and Bacde's right that nobody should do it, but it does make me reconsider
again
what I think of gene. I really don't know at this point but I think I'd rather lynch yessiree, maybe?

Hmm. Last couple of pages are interesting. In the end I think I'm left with a slight townread on gene's slot for replacing out (particularly as things just started to seem to be perhaps moving away from his lynch).

On Bob's 'slip': I think it's prrrrrobably worth lynching but, after his whole "I'll probably not be alive next time I'm online!" I want to call his bluff. We shouldn't lynch him until he comes back to defend himself. If he's town, this is obviously a good thing. If he's scum, we either force him to say things before he dies (which we can analyse after he flips to search for buddies) or he tries to wait it out and we are reassured that we've caught him and can lynch even more happily than we would now.

So what's it to be, Bob? I want you to take that shot at defending yourself. Have a go.
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:19 pm

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On the subject of my own inactivity (for which I profusely apologise), I could talk at length about how my play has changed over the years but it would be self-serving and, in truth, there aren't a lot of helpful conclusions from it. What I will say is that I think that NS's memory of my "usual self" is historically pretty inaccurate.
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:20 pm

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Oh, Rikablu's town as well. I snipped a paragraph about that out of the post for length's sake and meant to include it in the skimmy bit further down but forgot.
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:52 pm

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@ChannelDelibird, are you that confident you can figure out Bob's alignment form his next post?

Perhaps you knew from the start?
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:00 pm

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I'm saying that I'm confident that I've already figured out his alignment from the post in which he appears to have slipped (I'm trying to imagine it as something other than a scumslip and struggling to do so plausibly) but he says he can defend himself and I'd like to see if he can because I'm willing to be proved wrong. I'd probably have just hammered* if this weren't a newbie game, though.

*Bob and the vote count disagree on how many votes he has so, if I voted now, it'd feel like I were hammering as presumably whoever failed to get their vote counted would go ahead and hammer
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:37 pm

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Bacde, you're a good scum teller, your thoughts on the bob lynch?
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