In post 610, uctriton00 wrote:I quick hammered on Jason because Mattel claimed cop and I had to QH to end the day ASAP, before everyone else figured it out.
Unfortunately Jason role fished and baited Mattel into stopping the role fish, which Jason immediately outed him.
This was a trust exercise: I had to trust mattel's claim. It was day 2, and if I got the wrong hammer, then obviously a fake claim happened. To me it was completely worth the gamble. I've said that ad nauseum, that this isn't a game breaking LYLO decision and we can be wrong if needed. I didn't want to live with the extremely hard to read Jason and have to. If Jason was the real cop, I would have easily killed Mattel for the fake claim. And I sincerely believe that when a town self hammers, you don't ignore it. Unless they were trolling, and RC being an experienced player, I wanted to give him a listen.
But here is what we also got day 3: an EXTREMELY OMGUS MASTIN saying that I've bussed my partner.
I am town beyond god damned belief, and I tried my best, my sincere best, to draw the night kill. I wanted to be a VT who died in place of mattel's claim, had it been true. I used all the pomp and circumstance to boast I'd break the game open. Unfortunately Mattel was caught dead.
Mastin's omgus seals the game and the victory for us. You've slipped, bud.
OMGUS my ass.
You
are the one OMGUS'ing
me
, not vice-versa. As for the cop thingy, I will accept that you figured it out eventually (he did end up dead, after all), but I'm calling bullshit on your explanation. I find nothing wrong with your statement that you found it worth the gamble (it definitely was worth a try, triton), but that you hammered despite apparently also being aware of Jason's breadcrumbs is proof that everything you're saying is a lie. If you saw 'crumbs from Jason and saw 'crumbs from mattel, you would
wait until they had claimed
, not immediately hammer. Look at things from a you-as-town perspective. You see both 'crumbing. You might be the only one who sees both have crumbed. You, not knowing which is real, hammer. And get things wrong. The scum nightkill you. And bam. Both scum are alive, and if you were the only one who picked up on the 'crumbs, then you have no way of finishing the 1v1. You-as-town would realize this, and not rely on ambiguities.
I figured out mattel's claim (hence my reversal onto Jason), but I had no clue Jason was 'crumbing cop at all. But had I done so, had I known, I would have done the town thing and waited to hear both sides before making an educated decision. That decision would likely have been to lynch Jason, after analyzing the strength of the claims and figuring that mattel's was much stronger. As town, that's what a person does when they see two players counterclaiming. They don't know which is real, so they try to figure it out.
As scum, you already knew Jason was fakeclaiming. Heck, he might have even told you he was going to 'crumb cop in the scum QT, specifically so that you could see it and use it if you chose to. So as scum, you didn't need to figure out which claim was true. You voted Jason for the towncred which would be gained from it.
And this is the final nail in
your
coffin, triton. Simple meta research will show you that as town, I never take part in wifom-laced twilights. As scum, I'm right there discussing like a champion, to induce the wifom. The fact that I was absent proves that I am town, because I specifically avoided trying to contribute to the wifom. I specifically avoided trying to give the scum more info. I specifically avoided trying to make this game more mindscrewy.
