NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Bacde]

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

woah thsi is definitely malakittens

why are you so upset with me?

I haven't even said that I'm obvtown for at least 3 pages

[Amethyst Kitty]

This whole last page.. Was Mala speaking, not Mara.

Mara has actually been signing her posts and I have not been signing my posts lately.

Again I'm saying this hasn't been Mara speaking so 3797-3798 doesn't hold anything. Also how can you accuse Mara of speaking when I directly said in post 3793 "Screw waiting for Mara"

[mastin2]

Eighty-Third Votecount

:

(Sixteenth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "I'm overheating from working on this game too much. " votecount.

)

ThAdmiral - 3 (penguin_alien, Human Destroyer, CrashTextDummie)

Amethyst Kitty - 3 (Kublai Khan, Slandaar, Desperado)

Cephrir - 2 (ArcAngel9, Seanald)
Bacde - 2 (Bulbazak, Rena)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Nero Cain - 1 (Nachomamma8)
penguin_alien - 1 (Cephrir)
Desperado - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 3 (PeregrineV, ThAdmiral, ffullisade)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
ArcAngel9 is V/LA until Wednesday, Jun 19th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

ThAdmiral - 3 (penguin_alien, Human Destroyer, CrashTextDummie)
Amethyst Kitty - 3 (Kublai Khan, Slandaar, Desperado)
Bacde - 2 (Bulbazak, Rena)
Cephrir - 2 (ArcAngel9, Seanald)
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Nero Cain, Bacde)
Kublai Khan - 0 (

Amethyst Kitty

)
Nero Cain - 1 (Nachomamma8)
penguin_alien - 1 (Cephrir)
Desperado - 1 (

Amethyst Kitty

)

Not Voting - 3 (PeregrineV, ThAdmiral, ffullisade)

Last votecount was page 152, post 3785.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

CrashTextDummie: ThAdmiral
Cephrir: Rena->ThAdmiral->penguin_alien
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain
PeregrineV:
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Unvote->ThAdmiral->Seanald->Nachomamma8
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena->ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->Amethyst Kitty
penguin_alien: ThAdmiral
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado->ThAdmiral->Amethyst Kitty
Seanald: Rena->Cephrir
ThAdmiral:
Rena: Bacde
Kublai Khan: Bacde->Amethyst Kitty
Amethyst Kitty: Seanald->Kublai Khan->Desperado
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote
Human Destroyer: Rena->ThAdmiral
ArcAngel9: Cephrir

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,

Nero Cain

votes

Rena

in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Bacde

in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,

Desperado

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,

Bubazak

votes

ffullisade

in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Cephrir

in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,

Seanald

votes

Rena

in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,

Desperado

votes

Rena

in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,

Bacde

votes

Rena

in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

ffullisade

and votes

Bacde

in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Rena

in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,

Bacde

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Slandaar

in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,

Nero Cain

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,

Slandaar

votes

Desperado

in post 3625.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 10:02a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Rena

in post 3633.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 10:06a,

Bacde

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 3671.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:16a,

Desperado

unvotes

Rena

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3672.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:30a,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3673.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 12:08p,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3678.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 06:50a,

Cephrir

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3711.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 10:31p,

Seanald

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Cephrir

in post 3730.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:17p,

Bacde

votes

Seanald

in post 3731.
On Sat, Jun 6/15/13 @ 11:59p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Seanald

in post 3732.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 00:18a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Kublai Khan

in post 3733.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 01:07p,

penguin_alien

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3740.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:07p,

Human Destroyer

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3745.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 03:18p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3746.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 05:10p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3752.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:05p,

Nachomamma8

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3759.
On Sun, Jun 6/16/13 @ 11:28p,

Desperado

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

Nero Cain

in post 3760.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:02a,

Kublai Khan

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3769.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 06:50a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3771.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 07:28a,

Cephrir

unvotes

ThAdmiral

and votes

penguin_alien

in post 3772.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:29a,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3774.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 09:53a,

Desperado

unvotes

Nero Cain

and votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3777.
On Mon, Jun 6/17/13 @ 11:03a,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Desperado

in post 3792.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

woah thsi is definitely malakittens

why are you so upset with me?

I haven't even said that I'm obvtown for at least 3 pages

Reading it from any player just makes me want to cringe. You are trying to use your "cred" to justify a lynch on a player. Why don't you try and use another method that doesn't involve "Arching your back, making your tail look puffy" to make yourselve look bigger then you really are?

[mastin2]

Side-note, considering adding to the "Important Links" post a (spoilered) list of every single official votecount in the game, and was wondering if it'd actually be useful to anybody. (If so, then tell me, otherwise I'll assume nobody's going to use it and will spend my time doing other things. )

[Cephrir]

Actually, why are we voting AK given that if they are indeed scum there isn't a ton of evidence suggesting they're blue?

[Desperado]

Actually, why are we voting AK given that if they are indeed scum there isn't a ton of evidence suggesting they're blue?

Because the only people who should care about that are red scum themselves.

[Cephrir]

I'm pretty sure everyone has an interest in removing that nightkill from the game.

[Cephrir]

Then again, Rena is like 75% the last bluescum and we aren't lynching her today so maybe that is the right tree to bark up after all.

[Desperado]

I'm pretty sure everyone has an interest in removing that nightkill from the game.

Yes but only redscum has an interest in prioritizing another lynch over AK solely because they probably aren't bluescum.

[Nero Cain]

.....................

my point is that there's no reason at all to suspect me other than the fact that I suspect both of you so it looks like nothing more than OMGUS. wHY DO YOU SUSPECT ME bACDE?

I dunno, I don't particularly suspect you beyond OMGUS (especially because I don't understand why you have had a continuing suspicion of me for a few days)

but Nacho is a good scumhunter, and he suspects you

so I figure if we flip nacho and he winds up town you'd be a good vig shot

but I'm willing to substitute in your place its not a big deal especially since I'm pretty sure nacho is scum

are you being defensive right now? Its hard for me to tell whats going on inside your head

yep, only town would want to get mislynched/vigged. I'm so scummy for not wanting to waste a lynch/vig shot.

This whole "Nacho is a good scumhunter so he as town has to be correct about Nero." is nothing but a big pile of bullshit and potential chain lynching. It also seems incredibly lazy.

Who are your top 4 scum reads?

[Seanald]

I'm pretty sure everyone has an interest in removing that nightkill from the game.

Yes but only redscum has an interest in prioritizing another lynch over AK solely because they probably aren't bluescum.

exactly why my vote is still on cephrir, too much fascination with blue team.

[Cephrir]

I'm interested in the blue team because some of them have actually flipped. I suck at non-associative tells.

Is that why Seanald? Really, how interesting. First I've heard of it. Or are you latching onto someone else's reason because you were full of shit?

[Bulbazak]

148:

The big difference between this quote and what you did is in tone. Kitty's question is more about the standards of the one questioning her, rather than pointing attention towards someone who did something similar. She is also not as offended with the inquiry as you were when Khan asked his question. Finally, in this instance, she is actually being called scum by you, whereas Khan was just asking a simple question and had not made any accusation, which makes your freakout even more suspicious.

And for those who are curious themselves, here is Nero's response to Khan again:

In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?

Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

You think there's a difference in our "deflects" 'cause I'm calling her scum?!? But this is still very much incorrect. The Mala head DID have a scum read on me and Mara was even ok with it until recently.

Kitty did the EXACT same thing as me. I called her fourth vote on Nacho (and her "oh I didn't know there was a Nacho wagon") opportunistic. Her questioning me about why I didn't call out Bcade for his 5th vote (despite him already being on the wagon therefore he wasn't the 5th vote) is no different then my questioning KK over why he didn't question others that were setup speculating.

Also, context says that Khan was light calling me scummy.

Again, the difference is that Kitty was asking about YOUR motivations, while you asked Khan why he didn't look elsewhere.

What would you expect from scumcho?

A degree of non-genuine play. He came close in Voided's Mountainous Nightless game, but he was town then.

What about his suspicion of OS read as genuine to you?

OS had made a bull crap fake claim, and Nacho saw through it. I don't see how that is anti-town in the slightest, yet you are continuing to try to push that, in a similar manner as Ryu, btw. Pointing out, pressuring, and voting someone who is lying is not scummy. Period.

I addressed the hypocrisy in #1888. he didn't like my answer in post #1893. he thinks it is a playstyle issue. mebbe it is considering his flip. but I answered him and I simply don't understand why he was not understanding my answer.

Oh, you mean this:

Spoiler: Mollie "answering" questions

I am back to thinking you are scum. why? cos what I said made perfect sense and you know it but are still trying to push a crappy point

Then explain how what I said was hypocritical. Because if what you said made sense then you should be able to do so.

I was asking you to stop that condescending tone with me (you are still patronising but I will deal) and it worked!

that is what that was about. ty

I remember the last time you got dodgy about what you were saying and then went into a 'how dare you personally attack me spiel'

You didn't flip town.

people treat hydras differently a lot of people hate hydras on this site. you either understand this basic concept or you don't

*shrug*

How am I treating you differently?
Again, you're dodging the original point of the question to give a sideways answer.

2. erm that isn't quite what happened

So what did happen?

and I still say you haven't been reading my posts unless they are addressed to you

HUGE SCUMTELL

I've been doing that to a lot of posts this game.
Heck, i still haven't finished my catchup and no one has mentioned it so I'm planning to let that slide too.

I think you are doing the misrepping here and being opportunistic over mine and majiffy's dissonance. majiffy and I argue a lot in mafia we have 2 completely different approaches anybody who has played with us knows this

there is no way you can look at us and not say we are town for bloody obvious reasons but oh hai there are some moar of your posts I wanna address

It's actually quite easy for me to point and you and call you scum.
What are the obvious reasons I'm missing?

Then explain how what I said was hypocritical. Because if what you said made sense then you should be able to do so.

I did. you put a vote on a weak wagon when there were other options in play do you know who does that as a vet player and then tries to berate other players for doing the same it is scum that is who. I was wondering if it was a town tell for you but I guess it isn't

I remember the last time you got dodgy about what you were saying and then went into a 'how dare you personally attack me spiel'

You didn't flip town.

and I remember the last time you tried to use this as a scumtell for me. pretty sure you were culted at that point

How am I treating you differently?
Again, you're dodging the original point of the question to give a sideways answer.

no I am not

So what did happen?

I've been doing that to a lot of posts this game.
Heck, i still haven't finished my catchup and no one has mentioned it so I'm planning to let that slide too.

I mentioned it

I just said it

ahdjkshflwerhjdjsdnisawlqewiz

It's actually quite easy for me to point and you and call you scum.
What are the obvious reasons I'm missing?

no it isn't. it is why you are going about it all clumsily

Probably the reason why he couldn't understand your answer is that you actually never

answered

him. He'd ask you a question and you'd leave him hanging and then later say, "I'm not avoiding your questions.", which is an absolute lie.

The hydra point, especially, is ridiculous. You originally tried to dismiss his initial push by saying that he was just treating you differently,

because

you were a hydra. Thor was confused and asked how that even made sense, which you dodged by going into a big hydra discussion. Seriously, your responses are nonsensical.

posts #2764 and #2786

I answered his questions.

Are you serious? #2764 is Thor saying that you have not addressed his questions at all, and then in #2786 you STILL HAVEN'T answered those questions, instead addressing something more recent and saying that you didn't want to get in a "word war", which Thor pointed out was a lie and contradicted your original story about Majiffy telling you not to get into it with Thor.

thor was not paying attention to the game HE EVEN SAID THIS WHEN HE SAID HE DIDN"T READ 20 PAGES

Thor was not caught up. That does not mean that he wasn't paying attention to the game. In fact, he was very attentive of current events thread-wise. If there was something that was important that happened in the section he was not caught up in, you could have always linked or quoted them, but you chose not to do so.

and let's look at the question you asked rena.

bulb: hi rena, who all visited bc? can anyone confirm?
rena: hi bulb. well I said nothing of interest happened nothing led to a nk but so and so visited them but do you think they might be a town special??????

That is a blatant misrep.

@Rena: Did anybody visit Om n1 or Bacde n2?

I didn't ask who visited her targets. I just asked if anybody did, which can be a simple yes or no answer. She could have easily answered yes and said that she preferred not to out the player's name. I don't need the specifics. I just want to make sure everything lines up.

she would have been outing town specials at that point and if anything her reluctance to do so makes me give her town points but scum claiming to be watcher meta :/

I don't understand that last part. You think she's town for not outing PRs, but yet she's scum for not doing so?

On to page 149.

[Nero Cain]

Again, the difference is that Kitty was asking about YOUR motivations, while you asked Khan why he didn't look elsewhere

.......................................................





there is no fucking difference!!!

[Bulbazak]

149-150:

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--

the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum

.

You ignored the other possibility: That Thezmon was scum who didn't want to get caught on a Nacho-town wagon.

I still find cephrir scummy from the previous day, and he's still playing pretty much the same in this day.

What is the case on Cephrir again? Because if I remember correctly, the only reason you voted Cephrir was because I was pressuring you regarding your Syryana IIA.

As far as ThAd and Slandaar go, Slandaar seems to be trying to make a case for ThAd being red scum on a day where it sounds like consensus is that we want to lynch the potentially last blue scum. Given that you're showing where ThAd could be blue, I don't know why bluescum-Slandaar wouldn't go with that slant on the analysis.

Which leaves me thinking ThAd is a pretty good candidate for getting rid of all the blue scum, and even if it's not that optimal case, he stands a better-than-random chance of being red scum. So either we take a stab at eliminating a scum faction or get a red flip to get a toehold on that team. I didn't want to lynch into the neighbors at this juncture, but he and PV's weird purported interactions in their QT

This seems like quite a leap. Why exactly do you think that ThAd is blue scum?

On to page 151. (Mew! ^_^)

[Bulbazak]

The Mew page:

kill arc unless mastin decides to force replace her out cos the active lurking/prod dodge posts are bs and go against the rules

mastin are you reading this

. I don't think she knows a single thing about what is going on in this game.

With everything that's going on, you're advocating a policy lynch?!

Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy.

Are you saying that your slot is scummy?

> Unvoting without revoting in pre-game RVS.
--- This is strictly a move of appeasement and buddying.

You'll need to explain, because otherwise, I consider much of the pre-game stuff null.

> Post 900: Strong reaction against Red Ryu trying todirect night actions, but never spoke a word against anyone else doing stuff like vig-directing.
--- Fun Fact: Red Ryu flipped scum.

Explain in more detail please.

VOTE: Nachomamma8
I think I've earned enough town-cred in this game to lead the lynch in this situation

How have you earned town cred?

On to page 152.

[Bacde]

Reading it from any player just makes me want to cringe. You are trying to use your "cred" to justify a lynch on a player. Why don't you try and use another method that doesn't involve "Arching your back, making your tail look puffy" to make yourselve look bigger then you really are?

what if I am really big though

cuz in this game I feel big

[Desperado]

no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.

Cop this guy.

No fucking no.

Do not ever try and direct night actions.

Let the person who has the role do what they feel is right.

Plus

we don't

know if there's even a damn cop in the setup.

Shut up.

___

Nero:

How, theoretically speaking, are we Nacho's partner? That's if Nacho

flips

scum..

Also answer my damn question.

~Mala

Please show me a game where directing cop actions were beneficial? I don't think directing any type of investigation or protective roles are helpful because we don't know your alignment so we wouldn't know if you are scum trying to point us away from your buddies or you are scum directly fishing for information.

It's a bad idea. Knock it off.

~Mala

She directly implicates Ryu as scum twice (making it clear that she only sees scum motivation in directing night actions) without ever voting him or even bringing it up again later. Pretty blatant coaching.

[Bacde]

yep, only town would want to get mislynched/vigged. I'm so scummy for not wanting to waste a lynch/vig shot.

This whole "Nacho is a good scumhunter so he as town has to be correct about Nero." is nothing but a big pile of bullshit and potential chain lynching. It also seems incredibly lazy.

Who are your top 4 scum reads?

dude chill out this isn't a "bacde is wrong so I need to push back on him" situation

I'm not even attacking you

notice how I didn't even accuse you of being defensive? I literally

asked

you if you were being defensive (hint: you are now)

Either way, fine replace me on the vig list I don't even care

we lynch nacho, if he flips town then I get vigged, and if I get vigged then nero gets lynched due to all this weird defensiveness

if nacho flips scum, then AK gets vigged

[Desperado]

Bacde, show me you have the support for a Nacho lynch. Because I don't see it.

When you realize you don't, vote AK

[Amethyst Kitty]

VOTE: Khan

Dont wanna be on despers right now. I'm taking this 1v1 hut i will make a case tomorow, dont have the time to do it today thouh it shouldnt be that hard to figure out why i hink khqn is sum. If he was town, he wouldnt have needed to be goaded into battling one of his top scun reads

~Mara

[Bulbazak]

Right now the case is:

A nacho flip will inform thAd in the most significant way for him to be able to make an effective vig kill

That is not a case. Explain how a Nacho flip would be the most informative for ThAd.

.....................

my point is that there's no reason at all to suspect me other than the fact that I suspect both of you so it looks like nothing more than OMGUS. wHY DO YOU SUSPECT ME bACDE?

Getting super defensive Nero? Yeah, there's no way you're scum...

I'm pretty sure everyone has an interest in removing that nightkill from the game.

Yes but only redscum has an interest in prioritizing another lynch over AK solely because they probably aren't bluescum.

If we are assuming that this is multiball, then it is in town's best interest to eliminate a NK. Why would you not want to do so? And why would it be more important to eliminate Kitty rather than a NK?

exactly why my vote is still on cephrir, too much fascination with blue team.

This is the first I've heard of it. It's almost like you're changing your justification in order to score an easy mislynch.

Again, the difference is that Kitty was asking about YOUR motivations, while you asked Khan why he didn't look elsewhere

.......................................................





there is no fucking difference!!!

Saying "Nuh Uh!!!" is not a rebuttal.

P-Edit: Desperado makes a good point on the cop case. Was that your point as well Khan?

Also, I get goaded into voting as town all the time.

Unvote

Vote Amethyst Kitty

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fucking phone...

Really now? And Im not talking about being goaded into voting, I'm talking about being goaded i to taking a stance againt your "top scum read" and actually interaxting with them

~Mara

[Desperado]

If we are assuming that this is multiball, then it is in town's best interest to eliminate a NK. Why would you not want to do so? And why would it be more important to eliminate Kitty rather than a NK?

But it is not in the town's best interest to derail a lynch because solely because they probably aren't bluescum. Which is what Cephrir said.

Please show me where I a) said I don't want to eliminate a NK, and b) said it would be more important to eliminate Kitty over eliminating a NK.