Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[DoctorPepper]

Common scum play. Call one of your biggest attackers town and hope he ignores you instead of trying to prove why he might be wrong. Why am I probably townsfolk to you Bob?

Pebro doesnt exactly remove the scum feel slot from gene, like how he is defending the fairly obvious slip. Also that jumping on the CDB wagon seems opportunistic, like he saw the IC and the SE vote for him for lurking, then he uses the exact same reason, when other people (JK Matthew) have done the same.

[Rikablu]

I don't have time to defend myself. I might be dead the next time I'm online, so remember I said yessirree and CDB are the baddies.

I need another opinion on this post. I'm debating with myself whether or not BBscum would have the audacity to try and screen a buddy through, knowing that the slip he's made is difficult to argue against. Obviously if BBtown (which I doubt, but it's better to run through the logic for completeness), his reasoning apparently makes sense due to the events of the day and CDB's general lurkiness, which has since been somewhat remedied.

If you come out of relative inactivity only to make a slip, are you so flustered at that point to try a gambit play rather than something more conservative? I doubt my assessment of BB as a potential risk-taker.

As to BB, this post is weak. Why aren't you making your opinions crystal clear if you're that afraid of death? You know from the gene wagon that we as a whole are patient. Deliver. Otherwise you're just flailing scum.

[Nobody Special]

You know, I seriously hate doing this, and I really try hard NOT to do this, but I'm calling the scum team as Bob and CDB right now.

Convince me otherwise, guys.

[ChannelDelibird]

You know, I seriously hate doing this, and I really try hard NOT to do this, but I'm calling the scum team as Bob and CDB right now.

Convince me otherwise, guys.

OK: You're wrong.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Sorry for the confusion, Nexus. I didn't realize you updated vote count 1.4, so I counted DoctorPepper's vote twice.

Common scum play. Call one of your biggest attackers town and hope he ignores you instead of trying to prove why he might be wrong. Why am I probably townsfolk to you Bob?

You're making it sound like I called you town completely out of the blue, but that's not the case. Someone asked my opinion on you, so I stated my opinion on you. Besides, if I'd called you scum, you'd have probably had a Bob-is-scum explanation too. As for why I think you're townsfolk, I don't think scum would hunt scum like you do. I'm still waiting for an answer to this though:

So you can't understand that a new player would think that the goal of a game, in which people are killed, is not to be killed even though it isn't explicitly stated in the role PM?

That might seem rhetorical, but I really want to hear your answer.

On Bob's 'slip': I think it's prrrrrobably worth lynching but, after his whole "I'll probably not be alive next time I'm online!" I want to call his bluff. We shouldn't lynch him until he comes back to defend himself. If he's town, this is obviously a good thing. If he's scum, we either force him to say things before he dies (which we can analyse after he flips to search for buddies) or he tries to wait it out and we are reassured that we've caught him and can lynch even more happily than we would now.

So what's it to be, Bob? I want you to take that shot at defending yourself. Have a go.

I wasn't "bluffing" when I said that I had things to do. I don't even understand how saying I'm busy would help me. Also, I didn't say: "I'm probably dead." I said: "I might be dead." But I'll defend myself alright. I'll post my version of what happened and DoctorPepper's version of what happened. Then you can compare the two and decide which one is more likely to be true.

The first and only time I played this game online was on this forum. (My username is bopjesvla, feel free to analyse me.) It's obviously not a forum dedicated to mafia, so it's very experimental and there isn't an exact goal for the townies in most games, but most people considered it to be survival.

This is my version of what happened:

1. Someone on the forum says I should totally check out mafiascum. I do.
2. I receive my role PM which says I'm town. However, it doesn't clearly state that being murdered doesn't change whether I win or not. I still think that my goal is to survive, because that's the only way I played it.
3. Yessirree says that he is trying to survive.
4. Bacde says that's silly.
5. I say I also thought we were trying to survive because the role PM doesn't clearly state we aren't
6. DoctorPepper says no way you'd think that IF YOU READ YOUR ROLE PM
7. I say I did read it is something wrong with me
8. Bacde says wait arent yessirree and bob saying the same thing
9. DoctorPepper says no THE END

This is what I assume DoctorPepper thinks what happened:

1. I read my role PM it says I'm superscum
2. I don't read the first post and I'm unable to figure out that the good guys are supposed to kill the bad guys because I suffer from severe mental retardation
3. Yessirree says that he is trying to survive
4. I say what are town what are they even doing in this game can you hold hand while I go pee pee
5. DoctorPepper says ha you would know what town are if you were town because town is explained to town in the town PM town town town
6. I start crying I lick my feet and eat my hair

DoctorPepper, I don't ask you to react to those silly assumptions, but could you post a similarly formatted reconstruction and explain why you think I'm talking shit?

[yessiree]

There is no need to exaggerate anything. If you've got something to say, say it as it is, because I don't think your version of that's what DoctorPepper said is accurate.

[Bacde]

1. I read my role PM it says I'm superscum
2. I don't read the first post and I'm unable to figure out that the good guys are supposed to kill the bad guys because I suffer from severe mental retardation
3. Yessirree says that he is trying to survive
4. I say what are town what are they even doing in this game can you hold hand while I go pee pee
5. DoctorPepper says ha you would know what town are if you were town because town is explained to town in the town PM town town town
6. I start crying I lick my feet and eat my hair

dude this was hilarious

I'm having a hard time figuring out whether or not I want to lynch bob.

I wish that everyone knew beforehand that winning the game has nothing to do with survival, because then we wouldn't have these questionable situations.

[yessiree]

Yo I just realized something

Nobody Special is TOO DANGEROUS TO BE KEPT ALIVE, he needs to die.

6-1 as scum, 5-10 as town, yeah we're lynching nobody special

VOTE: Nobody Special

btw Bob is town

unvote

Vote: Bi-Bob

Yep, that's a scumsllip.

Pebro: CDB usually is much more active. I've seen experienced players (not necessarily CDB), when they have newbie scumpartners, who tend to lurk and not call too much attention to themselves.

You know, I seriously hate doing this, and I really try hard NOT to do this, but I'm calling the scum team as Bob and CDB right now.

Convince me otherwise, guys.

[Bacde]

I'm having a hard time seeing why you jumped from bob to NS

This is honestly the first game I've played with NS where I really feel like he is town.

Maybe NS has kanyeknowsbest syndrome, which is that he's always scummy unless he's scum and then he seems like town?

I dunno though

[Pebro]

Y, I don't have anything against using stats for a lynch, but not just that, I'd like to hear it if you got other arguments about why you want to lynch NS.

Besides that the stats are outdated. Problem is just that the basic stats don't give all info. Did he lose that many town games because he can't scumhunt or is he killed quickly by mafia and town screwed up after that.

From a quick look he did get through the end in the games where he was mafia, so he's probably good in playing scum.

[yessiree]

if NS is scum, we are all fucked

if NS is town, he will be useless anyway

plus
NS jumping on Bob's wagon while saying "Yep, that's a scumslip", too opportunistic, too little consideration

either way it won't be a bad lynch

also @ Bacde, I NEVER jumped on Bob

[Pebro]

I want to read some games of him before I decide he's really useless as town.

@Bacde, could you link some previous games you played. Preferably where you played with other players also in this game.

@Bob, pepper wasn't the only one voting you. He isn't the only. I also found it weird you thought you needed to survive to win. Alas, I took the opportunity to skim a bit through your posts on cracked, looking for something that would indiscriminate you. But didn't find anything.

@Pepper, I voted for CDB because he was somewhat around and just posted enough not to get prodded. (although he get prodded) JKM just wasn't posting at all.

@CDB, before Bob's scumslip. What made you think Bob is town?

[yessiree]

Pebro, you have a brain, and working fingers, use them.

use the site wiki, use the internet, use google, but don't use PEOPLE.

MAKE SOME FREAKING DECISIONS. DON'T JUST SIT ON THE FENCE. DON'T EXPECT OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK FOR YOU EITHER.

[Rikablu]

Yo I just realized something

Nobody Special is TOO DANGEROUS TO BE KEPT ALIVE, he needs to die.

6-1 as scum, 5-10 as town, yeah we're lynching nobody special

See, this is why people had issues with your use of statistics.

NS at least has game experience. Most of us don't. Weaktown is a bad lynching argument, because that's NOT THE POINT. Lynch scum. Teach weaktown so that if they're the only players left endgame, they make the right choices.

You can't use that argument without attempting to apply it to every player present, but you can't because we're all new, and therefore don't HAVE winrates as factions to check against. Otherwise, you're just selectively targeting players using unreliable scumhunting methods.

You might be an aggressive player, but this is too much gusto for such a weak wagon attempt.

[yessiree]

Dude no,

IF A PLAYER IS BAD, THEN YOU LYNCH HIM. SIMPLE?

NS is a bad town player, you lynch him. simple.

[Bacde]

No, if a player is scum, then you lynch him

[yessiree]

Ok Bacde, who is scum?

If you've got a better target, I'll reconsider.

[Nobody Special]

Yo I just realized something

Nobody Special is TOO DANGEROUS TO BE KEPT ALIVE, he needs to die.

6-1 as scum, 5-10 as town,

yeah we're lynching nobody special

I'm sorry, where did these numbers come from?

[Pebro]

From your wiki.

[Nobody Special]

The Careful Reader will note that that hasn't been updated in

two years

and The

Very

Careful Reader will note that I have approximately 75 additional games (from the last two years) that aren't cataloged. (I know, shameful; my Summer Project is fully updating my wiki here.)


TL;DR: Old stats are old.

[yessiree]

your wiki was TL;DR

BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER,

TOWN, IF YOU WANT TO WIN YOU BETTER LYNCH THIS NS.

[Nobody Special]

Why, exactly?

[yessiree]

Why, exactly?

if NS is scum, we are all fucked

if NS is town, he will be useless anyway

plus
NS jumping on Bob's wagon while saying "Yep, that's a scumslip", too opportunistic, too little consideration

either way it won't be a bad lynch

also @ Bacde, I NEVER jumped on Bob

[Bicephalous Bob]

You can't use that argument without attempting to apply it to every player present, but you can't because we're all new, and therefore don't HAVE winrates as factions to check against. Otherwise, you're just selectively targeting players using unreliable scumhunting methods.

The way yessirree looks at old games isn't the right way, but that doesn't mean we should stop analyzing them altogether.

As for the accusation itself: could yessirree be trying to distance himself from Nobody Special? He's been accusing Nobody Special since the beginning of the game. Most accusations were overly aggressive and pretty much unfounded. CDB's megapost was quite good and I think he'd have tried to get me lynched if he was scum.

You know, I seriously hate doing this, and I really try hard NOT to do this, but I'm calling the scum team as Bob and CDB right now.

Convince me otherwise, guys.

This post doesn't really fit in NS's writing style. Anyway, NS, I take it I didn't convince you since your vote remains unchanged. If so, can you answer this question for me?

1. Someone on the forum says I should totally check out mafiascum. I do.
2. I receive my role PM which says I'm town. However, it doesn't clearly state that being murdered doesn't change whether I win or not. I still think that my goal is to survive, because that's the only way I played it.
3. Yessirree says that he is trying to survive.
4. Bacde says that's silly.
5. I say I also thought we were trying to survive because the role PM doesn't clearly state we aren't
6. DoctorPepper says no way you'd think that IF YOU READ YOUR ROLE PM
7. I say I did read it is something wrong with me
8. Bacde says wait arent yessirree and bob saying the same thing
9. DoctorPepper says no THE END

...

Could you post a similarly formatted reconstruction and explain why you think I'm talking shit?

[yessiree]

WTF? WTF? UNFOUNDED? HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?

Welcome Bob, what do you think of the gene wagon.

Sidenote, gene please get an avatar. It helps us distinguish you from everyone else. Like we'll know its you with out looking at your name

Kay. do you like it?

Yes. Nice ass.

Welcome Bob, what do you think of the gene wagon.

The prospect of Gene being quiet is great,

but I don't think he's a member of the Mafia.

My vote on Channel is serious.

Why not?



Currently I'm comfortable with lynching either yessirree or gene. Not voting till I see a VC, though.

Going with the flow, trying to fit it.

Just to be pedantic, his vote is valid. Whether or not you think it's a

good

vote is, perhaps, what I think is at question.

FoS: Rikablu

It would be a vote, but I'm too lazy to count, and I don't want to hammer.

Too lazy to count votes, when Rika has ZERO vote on him. Trying to gain town credits.

I honestly can't recall why I suspected Rika. It's probably something I thought I saw in post 96. But let's do this and see if he slips again:

Vote: Rika

gene, I was basically telling you that scumslips do indeed exist, and if you believe they don't, you're as deluded as if you also believed in magical fictional characters.


Also, yessiree, I've been scumhunting. At least I don't quote statistics.

LOL votes on Rika for some reason, but doesn't tell exactly what.

On a separate note: NS, is it your nature as a player to post compressed and short texts? I am under the impression that you might be the type to keep your thoughts mostly to yourself until it's necessary to push players towards your line of thinking. I don't see anything wrong with that, but it's difficult to get a read on you without knowing for sure. Assuming that this belief is correct, I think you're town on the basis that each time you posted, it's presented some form of constructive argument. I even consider the vote on me to be constructive, because frankly speaking no one else has voiced an opinion on my actions, and that's either weak, lazy, or overpowering fixation on gene at the time. On the other hand, if your concise nature isn't part of your standard play, my followup question would be 'why is this different', and what's otherwise a town read becomes a lot weaker.

This is me. I have a sort of reputation for being hard to read, but this is how I naturally play. And to answer the next question, yes, I tend to play this way regardless of alignment. I've somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 games onsite, feel free to read some.


On another note, I heartily agree with Bacde. CDB is not being his usual self, to memory.

VOTE: OMG CDB

LOL jumps on the CDB inactivity wagon.

unvote

Vote: Bi-Bob

Yep, that's a scumsllip.

Pebro: CDB usually is much more active. I've seen experienced players (not necessarily CDB), when they have newbie scumpartners, who tend to lurk and not call too much attention to themselves.

LOL jumping on the Bob's "scumslip" wagon.



YO WTF BOB? What did you say?