Newbie 1390 -- Game Over

[Guyett]

@Derivan where's you love for aul Guyett? ;_;

[JasonWazza]

I believe JasonWuzza may be scum for trying to jump on a bandwagon.

This is a bad reason.

Bandwagons happen because someone is scummy, meaning that it's not a scummy thing to "jump a bandwagon"

However WHICH BANDWAGON DO YOU THINK I'M JUMPING?

Be more accurate when you accuse someone of something.

[Guyett]

@Jason how do I see meta's?

@best bandwagoning is a shit way of determining if someone is scum....

[JasonWazza]

@Jason how do I see meta's?

For me my Meta is on my wiki (going from when i was a little noob like you guys to more recent games.) so use the little wiki bottom on the bottom left of everyone of my posts.

If someone doesn't have a wiki when you push that button, then (a more complicated way is to) click the username, choose Search Topics and go check their games.

[Guyett]

ok cool thanks

[goodmorning]

@goodmorning: What do you think of Derivan after his recent posts? Also, what do you think of Guyett and bestwillcui's recent developments? Have any of your opinions changed?

Deri's posts still make me uncomfortable, but I haven't quite figured out whether it's just his posting style or if he's actually being scummy.
As for Guy, I keep reading his posts and hard-gut-reacting Town, but he's (logically speaking) still only a null-leaning or light townread.
best is difficult to figure out. He's being incredibly scummy but in all the derpnewbtown ways, I'd be inclined to give it a while and see.
Have any of my opinions changed? A few. I keep flipflopping on Cabd, and I'm still trying to figure out whether my reasons to continue voting Feg are valid. I just realised I haven't posted a real readslist yet, so I'll do a bare-bones one in this post.

@Cabd: Really? Activity tells and now "you"? This is weeeeeiiiiirrrrrddddddd

I'll show you a game where scum did just that.

And there are equally as many games where Town does the same.

@Feg: Alright, here's why I'm voting you so far:
From the beginning:
1. Your weird "semi-serious" thing.
2. Your meta.
3. Gut.
Later:
4. Your light townread on Guy.
5.

You wanted to get a wagon up to L-2 with your pressure vote yet said nothing to try to convince anyone else to vote with you so as to get it there

.
6. Still the first three.

@goodmorning
I am starting to see that there is a higher probability that it is personal playstyle (where meta is helpful) and have adjusted my weighting accordingly. Once your brain solidifies again, would like to hear some more of your thoughts on bestwillcui and Guyett.

Gave a couple up top and probably will be a few more soonish when I come back and flesh out my readslist.

TOWN
Garantula
Guy
Jason
NULL
Darq
best
Deri
NULL
Cabd
Feg

[JasonWazza]

TOWN
Garantula
Guy
Jason
NULL
Darq
best
Deri

NULL

Cabd
Feg

Gonna assume that the Second Null is a typo.

Also why is best null rather then scum?

[goodmorning]

Nah, I use the nulls to delineate the bounds of the null section. Silly habit of mine.

best is null because his scummy actions could all easily come from newbtown instead. I want to evaluate him further before making that judgement.

[Fegelein]

Why do I feel Derivan is scum?

He makes really long-winded posts which personally appear to me as contrived, and he's fence sitting, locking himself down into ultra defence, without throwing down any vote. He seems to be keen only to advance his own agendas in the game atm.

Also, goodmorning, you've still avoided to say why I am scum.

[goodmorning]

@Feg: Alright, here's why I'm voting you so far:
From the beginning:
1. Your weird "semi-serious" thing.
2. Your meta.
3. Gut.
Later:
4. Your light townread on Guy.
5.

You wanted to get a wagon up to L-2 with your pressure vote yet said nothing to try to convince anyone else to vote with you so as to get it there

.
6. Still the first three.

[goodmorning]

Oh, figured out the typo in my list: SCUM should be the heading at the bottom of it.

[Fegelein]

Oh I missed that.

1. I've already explained that.
2. Explain
3. Can't really argue with gut.

4. He comes off as legit new, his questions don't seem contrived or from a scum viewpoint.
5. And how is that scummy? That's really more half-assed than anything.
6. Explained.

[goodmorning]

1. At the time it was a major reason for me voting you, so I thought I'd better include it. I also find your later explanation unsatisfactory. More on this in 5.
2. Explain what? You aren't reading like you do in your Town games.

4.

Now

, but at the time you said that?
5. If you actually are Town doing a reaction test and it involves a certain set of conditions, you don't half-ass it. You try to prod those conditions into being met. If you're Scum, on the other hand, then it doesn't matter if the conditions are met since you don't actually need to test anyone.

[Cabd]

Go look up sakura hana's scumslip in day one of Max Steel, the newbie game that just recently finished. Same thing, reads list with one read worded in a different language than the others.

[TheGarantula]

Yeah I haven't role claimed yet?!? Jason is on the money there.

Okay, I misunderstood you, my bad. That was a big part of my suspicion so I'll consider you null-ish again. That said I still think you were overly defensive against bestwillcui, though I guess it could be playstyle.
UNVOTE: Guyett

goodmorning - town read for reasons already stated by me and garantula.

I meant I currently have a null read but don't see scummy motivations behind her posts. I meant it as the opposite of the "null at best" read for bestwillcui.

Also, i'm gonna question the GM read once more, how is she town for questioning someone's town read?

Well I don't think scum would argue with someone calling them town, though I was mainly just taking note of it.

I believe JasonWuzza may be scum for trying to jump on a bandwagon.

Yeah, this is what I meant by OMGUS. Bandwagons are how you pressure someone; it only leads to a lynch if their reactions seem to confirm suspicions. Is he really your #1 scum pick for that?
VOTE: bestwillcui
You seem to be flailing a lot, but I would like to hear more from you.

He makes really long-winded posts which personally appear to me as contrived, and he's fence sitting, locking himself down into ultra defence, without throwing down any vote. He seems to be keen only to advance his own agendas in the game atm.

Hmm, I don't really get that fake feeling from his posts. It seems to me like he started on the defense multiple pages into the thread and just had to catch up and get reads. He also isn't on the defensive for much of his posts.

Go look up sakura hana's scumslip in day one of Max Steel, the newbie game that just recently finished. Same thing, reads list with one read worded in a different language than the others.

Isn't the idea of meta to use the target's game history? :p
Seriously though, SakuraHana's slip wasn't her incorrect use of "you".

Majiffy: Null, now that i notice other than the wagons on PhD and you, he hasn't really said much, but he does look like he's trying to attempt to scumhunt,

even if he's been wrong in both attempts.

We haven't had a flip. How would she know if the two people I pushed on are town?

[Cabd]

Yeah I haven't role claimed yet?!? Jason is on the money there.

Okay, I misunderstood you, my bad. That was a big part of my suspicion so I'll consider you null-ish again. That said I still think you were overly defensive against bestwillcui, though I guess it could be playstyle.
UNVOTE: Guyett

goodmorning - town read for reasons already stated by me and garantula.

I meant I currently have a null read but don't see scummy motivations behind her posts. I meant it as the opposite of the "null at best" read for bestwillcui.

Also, i'm gonna question the GM read once more, how is she town for questioning someone's town read?

Well I don't think scum would argue with someone calling them town, though I was mainly just taking note of it.

I believe JasonWuzza may be scum for trying to jump on a bandwagon.

Yeah, this is what I meant by OMGUS. Bandwagons are how you pressure someone; it only leads to a lynch if their reactions seem to confirm suspicions. Is he really your #1 scum pick for that?
VOTE: bestwillcui
You seem to be flailing a lot, but I would like to hear more from you.

He makes really long-winded posts which personally appear to me as contrived, and he's fence sitting, locking himself down into ultra defence, without throwing down any vote. He seems to be keen only to advance his own agendas in the game atm.

Hmm, I don't really get that fake feeling from his posts. It seems to me like he started on the defense multiple pages into the thread and just had to catch up and get reads. He also isn't on the defensive for much of his posts.

Go look up sakura hana's scumslip in day one of Max Steel, the newbie game that just recently finished. Same thing, reads list with one read worded in a different language than the others.

Isn't the idea of meta to use the target's game history? :p
Seriously though, SakuraHana's slip wasn't her incorrect use of "you".

Majiffy: Null, now that i notice other than the wagons on PhD and you, he hasn't really said much, but he does look like he's trying to attempt to scumhunt,

even if he's been wrong in both attempts.

We haven't had a flip. How would she know if the two people I pushed on are town?

You actually went and looked it up, good. Town read: gotten. Not lynching Gargntula today. Townie doing his homework.

[Cabd]

Also it was a slip for both reasons actually but that's despite the point.

[goodmorning]

@Cabd - A few things:
1. Snipping quotes is not considered impolite here. I do it frequently and without asking, and so does everyone else. Pretty please consider doing so yourself, because AAAAAAHHHHHHH SCROLLLINGGGGGGGG not to mention SAME POST TWICE IN A ROWWWWWW
2. Looking at stuff tends to be personal playstyle as well.
3. I actually like your argument here; though I personally disagree that the changing pronouns is a slip it is actually pretty well-reasoned and you do have an example of what you're talking about.
4. This may actually be your least graspy argument yet, which leads me to the unfortunate conclusion:
5. You are incorrect. This is mainly from my personal knowledge (namely, my role PM) BUT consider the following question if my good word isn't enough to convince you (which it shouldn't be):
If you are correct, and this shift in pronouns means he is scum and I am his partner, why would he use the wrong pronoun?

[Guyett]

Yeah I haven't role claimed yet?!? Jason is on the money there.

Okay, I misunderstood you, my bad. That was a big part of my suspicion so I'll consider you null-ish again. That said I still think you were overly defensive against bestwillcui,

though I guess it could be playstyle.

UNVOTE: Guyett

yeah I'm trying something different this game that I havent done in previous games. However I am reasonably sure Best is scum

Go look up sakura hana's scumslip in day one of Max Steel, the newbie game that just recently finished. Same thing, reads list with one read worded in a different language than the others.

Isn't the idea of meta to use the target's game history? :p
Seriously though, SakuraHana's slip wasn't her incorrect use of "you".

Majiffy: Null, now that i notice other than the wagons on PhD and you, he hasn't really said much, but he does look like he's trying to attempt to scumhunt,

even if he's been wrong in both attempts.

We haven't had a flip. How would she know if the two people I pushed on are town?

yeah I'm not really reading anything into the 'you' there. I really dont see any link between that and the 'you' post in this game. What screwed Sakura there was what you bolded. V. clever of Majiffy to bus his partner so quickly though.

[Guyett]

Lol I just read up on WIFOM. I dont know if that would be a good strategy for a mafia person or not though.

@Guyett
Please tell me that was a joke and you didn't just double WIFOM after reading about WIFOM? Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and chalking it up to you not realizing that this kind of circular logic is not going to get us anywhere.

lol just rereading over old posts and I saw this, must have skimmed over it as I was in work.

yeah that was a joke

[bestwillcui]

Yeah I haven't role claimed yet?!? Jason is on the money there.

Okay, I misunderstood you, my bad. That was a big part of my suspicion so I'll consider you null-ish again. That said I still think you were overly defensive against bestwillcui,

though I guess it could be playstyle.

UNVOTE: Guyett

yeah I'm trying something different this game that I havent done in previous games. However I am reasonably sure Best is scum

Dude how are you reasonably sure that I am scum for a couple of little things? I admit that though I have read many mafia games, this is my first time playing forum mafia.

Anyway, I'm not sure if I should roleclaim right now or wait until L-1.

Go look up sakura hana's scumslip in day one of Max Steel, the newbie game that just recently finished. Same thing, reads list with one read worded in a different language than the others.

Isn't the idea of meta to use the target's game history? :p
Seriously though, SakuraHana's slip wasn't her incorrect use of "you".

Majiffy: Null, now that i notice other than the wagons on PhD and you, he hasn't really said much, but he does look like he's trying to attempt to scumhunt,

even if he's been wrong in both attempts.

We haven't had a flip. How would she know if the two people I pushed on are town?

yeah I'm not really reading anything into the 'you' there. I really dont see any link between that and the 'you' post in this game. What screwed Sakura there was what you bolded. V. clever of Majiffy to bus his partner so quickly though.

[TheGarantula]

...?

[JasonWazza]

FUCKING USE PREVIEW IT'S NOT THAT HARD

Also, i'm gonna question the GM read once more, how is she town for questioning someone's town read?

Well I don't think scum would argue with someone calling them town, though I was mainly just taking note of it.

*bzzt* maybe read context instead of assuming (not to mention that is WIFOMy as fuck).

GM questioned Fege for townreading Guyett

I also have an early town read on Guyett.

Really? Interesting.

So if Guyett can please tell me why that makes GM town

[TheGarantula]

*bzzt* maybe read context instead of assuming (not to mention that is WIFOMy as fuck).

GM questioned Fege for townreading Guyett

Not what I was talking about...

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He shows he isn't afraid to call someone out on reading him town, which ironically comes off as town.

just posting to bump this game up a bit.
The spider has me down as possibly town, I'd tend to agree with him. I'm just a useless Irishman

How do you feel about everyone else? any tentative reads at all?

BUT why do you have a townread on me sans explanation? All your other reads were fairly reasoned.

::Insert sarcastic joke about assuming here::

[JasonWazza]

Oh i was meaning Guyetts reasoning for Town Reading GM

Also GM isn't dumb scum, questioning town reads on yourself is easy cheap town points.