Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[TiphaineDeath]

Not sure honestly, could be an intentional and thus fake townslip, I'm not sure. Bears some thought. I'll check it out some more.


.... I am confident I knew what I was talking about when I said zed would be scum.... however I don't remember what it was now and I can't find zed on the player list X_x. Who is zed?

[Desperado]

Multiball or not, I smell Scum on Zoidberg's wagon. They smell like sauerkraut. Unmistakable scent. Very pungent. Desperado, my friend, you seem fairly confident that Varsoon is Scum, but you switched over to Zoidberg at the drop of a hat. Why is he suddenly a bigger priority than Varsoon?

Wasn't getting much traction on a Varsoon wagon and I liked the Zoidberg case.

[Nobody Special]

Not sure honestly, could be an intentional and thus fake townslip, I'm not sure. Bears some thought. I'll check it out some more.


.... I am confident I knew what I was talking about when I said zed would be scum.... however I don't remember what it was now and I can't find zed on the player list X_x. Who is zed?

Game Roster
Alive(21/21)
TheIrishPope
Psyche
Varsoon
penguin_alien

Zed17

Rubicon
BROseidon
Skullduggery
Zoidberg
boxxy
Desperado
Mr E Roll
Metal Sonic
Radioactive Wolf
T S O
roflcopter
TiphaineDeath
EddieFenix
Who
Nobody Special
Dante

Dead(0/21)

That one?

[Zoidberg]

All right let's re-cap the oh-so-scummy wagon that's building on me.

-Metal Sonic goes "I wonder what the scum flavour is"
-Zoidberg speculates idly
-Roflcopter comes out of nowhere pushing a zoidberg lynch
-Roflcopter repeatedly dodges questions related to his reasoning from multiple players

To wit:

there is no scum in this game, only calvin

boy i wonder what the scum role flavor is? those zog? that old teacher whose name I forgot? exciting !

Total speculation, but it's probably Rosalyn, Susie Derkins, Moe, Miss Wormwood, and some others. Maybe Calvin's Mom's "evil" alter-ego aka the Evil Mom-Lady.

Not that the rolenames matter unless we have a role-cop.

we are lynching zoidberg today

vote: zoidberg

The question is: Why? He's not stated any case, and there must be a reason.

Answer: Well, I must have correctly guessed one or more of the scum's role names. He probably thinks he can spin it as "Zoidberg knows too much about the setup" aka I must have inside knowledge because I'm scum and so I've scumslipped. Of course, he can't prove that without revealing that he also has inside knowledge.

Here's the thing, though:

That list of roles would occur pretty obviously to anyone who's even remotely familiar with the source material.

Who are Calvin's primary antagonists in any of the comics? Rosalyn the babysitter who makes him go to bed. Moe the bully who steals his truck. Susie Derkins always tattling on him and giving him cooties. Evil Mom-Lady making him eat his vegetables and whatever. It's the most obvious way for the setup to go.

But roflcopter, being scum, already knows what the scum rolenames are and so he can't put himself in town's point of view. I.e. he can't see the clear line of thought that town would have when guessing what scum rolenames are.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Roflcopter

[Zoidberg]

I mean, unless rofl has an actual case.

But I've asked him for it 4 times, and others have asked him for it a bunch of times too, but each time he's dodged. So what other logical conclusion is there?

[Zoidberg]

If Rofl flips scum look for a buddy in Tiphaine, IMO.

[Radioactive Wolf]

I don't care for either wagon, namely because of a few sketchy characters riding on the back-end of them (Eddie, Broseiden, NS, and desperado come to mind)

What is up with this TIP white-knighting from Desperado?

That combined with the Zoidberg turnaround and I think this is worth pursuing.

VOTE: Desperado

[Dante]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Roflcopter

[Desperado]

What is up with this TIP white-knighting from Desperado?

Be more specific about how calling out players for skirting a discussion by blatantly disengaging another player is scummy.

[Zoidberg]

Desperado, can we talk about roflcopter please?

[Radioactive Wolf]

What is up with this TIP white-knighting from Desperado?

Be more specific about how calling out players for skirting a discussion by blatantly disengaging another player is scummy.

Alright

Well, there's post 232, where you say, "

TIP has the right read here

. Town doesn't need to take the time to tell you that they will say what they want, when the want, to whom they want...they just do it." Bolded mine. Then, in post 266, you say "WTF is this shit? There was nothing wrong with

what TIP said and it was perfectly cogent

." Again, bolded mine.

These are the entire posts, and I emphasized the bolded parts because you're not actually trying to magnify a point made by TIP, you're just trying to "buddy" him (for lack of a better term). Trying to prop TIP up like this would be kind of bizarre coming from town, in my opinion.

And for all these "cogent points" TIP is apparently making, you're not even following any of it. No vote for Varsoon or TD.

[Desperado]

Why would it be bizarre?

Zoidberg was asking deliberately obtuse questions that he already knew the answer to, and Tiphaine chose to discredit TIP over engaging him. You would expect townies to just let these things go?

And for all of quote mining you're apparently doing, you aren't even reading any of it. I did vote for Varsoon (in fact, I voted him before everything you're referencing here), and cogent arguments =/= persuasive arguments.

[Desperado]

Desperado, can we talk about roflcopter please?

You keep rhetorically asking if we can talk about rolf, but then you just keep it open ended. If you want to talk about him...ask me something.

[Psyche]

Desperado, can we talk about roflcopter please?

You keep rhetorically asking if we can talk about rolf, but then you just keep it open ended. If you want to talk about him...ask me something.

(zoidberg objects to his style of advocating for a zoidberg lynch without attempting to justify it and wants more attention to be paid to this style)

(maybe that wasn't clear)

[Zoidberg]

Desperado, can we talk about roflcopter please?

You keep rhetorically asking if we can talk about rolf, but then you just keep it open ended. If you want to talk about him...ask me something.

If by "you keep asking" you mean "you've asked a single time" then yes, I agree.

What do you think of p303?

[Psyche]

Here are several other explanations for roflcopter than 303:

- Roflcopter is active lurking scum
- Roflcopter has the same attitude about D1 as NS
- Roflcopter thinks it's cool to have other people build cases for him on the people he thinks is scum
- Roflcopter is just some troll
- Roflcopter is some kind of asshole
- Roflcopter is behaving in a way we will never understand until he feels motivated to explain it to us

So I think 303 is just hyperspeculative. I don't have anything against votes based on speculation, but it presents an big opportunity cost compared to, say, voting for more assuredly scummy behaviors.

[Desperado]

Hey TSO what do you think about TIP and Roflcopter?

Rather than speculate about what the scum flavour is, let's talk about Roflcopter and IrishPope.

Desperado, can we talk about roflcopter please?

I didn't say you were repeatedly asking me.

And 303 is a stretch.

It falls apart completely if Rofl isn't voting you for your flavor speculation.

And I can't see the line of thought that town would have when guessing scum rolenames at all. You've admitted that it's even more useless than normal speculation unless we have a role cop, so why (as town) would you even concern yourself with it?

The fact that you have multiple posts speculating on the flavor AND multiple posts pointing out how said speculation is both useless and patently obvious to anyone familiar with the theme is the main reason I'm voting you right now.

[Zoidberg]

I didn't say you were repeatedly asking me.

Ah, I see. My mistake.

And 303 is a stretch.

It falls apart completely if Rofl isn't voting you for your flavor speculation.

Yep, it does fall apart in that instance. But in the absence of an actual case from rofl I'm forced to come up with something.

And I can't see the line of thought that town would have when guessing scum rolenames at all. You've admitted that it's even more useless than normal speculation unless we have a role cop, so why (as town) would you even concern yourself with it?

My first post on the subject was dismissing it as useless, yes. But given the timing of roflcopter's vote, what other reasoning could he possibly have?

I only came back to the role flavour topic because it suddenly seemed relevant.

The fact that you have multiple posts speculating on the flavor AND multiple posts pointing out how said speculation is both useless and patently obvious to anyone familiar with the theme is the main reason I'm voting you right now.[/quote]I think if you go back and actually look at the context of those posts you'll see that I'm not just going "speculation is pointless. also, here is some speculation about rolenames."

[Zoidberg]

Here are several other explanations for roflcopter than 303:

- Roflcopter is active lurking scum
- Roflcopter has the same attitude about D1 as NS
- Roflcopter thinks it's cool to have other people build cases for him on the people he thinks is scum
- Roflcopter is just some troll
- Roflcopter is some kind of asshole
- Roflcopter is behaving in a way we will never understand until he feels motivated to explain it to us

So I think 303 is just hyperspeculative. I don't have anything against votes based on speculation, but it presents an big opportunity cost compared to, say, voting for more assuredly scummy behaviors.

You're not voting anyone right now; how bout you join me on the nascent roflcopter wagon and then if you find a more worthy target, you can always abandon ship?

[Zoidberg]

^

mod, fix my quote tags in 317? <3

[Psyche]

Only because you're so cool.

I really don't see it constituting pressure on rofl if I do it under this context, but since I'm not voting anyone right now

vote rofl

[Skullduggery]

Multiball or not, I smell Scum on Zoidberg's wagon. They smell like sauerkraut. Unmistakable scent. Very pungent. Desperado, my friend, you seem fairly confident that Varsoon is Scum, but you switched over to Zoidberg at the drop of a hat. Why is he suddenly a bigger priority than Varsoon?

Wasn't getting much traction on a Varsoon wagon and I liked the Zoidberg case.

Mmkay, makes sense. And now that I think about it, I'm being hypocritical since I'm basically doing the same thing by moving my vote from Pope to you. So...

UNVOTE:

I've been waiting for roflcopter to go into more detail about why he has a murderboner for Zoidberg too. His ISO is laughable. Every single post is some flavor of "Hey guys, let's lynch Zoidberg. Just because." I don't like it.

VOTE: roflcopter

Roflcopter, I do hope you'll be able to muster the energy to explain your case on Zoidberg sometime soon. I'm just dying to hear it. I mean, if you're Town who is trying to lynch Scum, don't you think it would be beneficial to share your reasoning with your fellow Townies so we can see where you're coming from? I'm not asking too much, am I?

[Skullduggery]

.... I am confident I knew what I was talking about when I said zed would be scum.... however I don't remember what it was now and I can't find zed on the player list X_x. Who is zed?

Fascinating. Well, when that big gray thing between your ears decides to work again, please let us know what you meant when you said that Pope being Scum makes Zed Scum as well. Thanks in advance.

[Zoidberg]

Only because you're so cool.

I really don't see it constituting pressure on rofl if I do it under this context, but since I'm not voting anyone right now

vote rofl

Every vote helps an incremental amount.

Sooner or later he'll either come up with something legit that shows towniness or self-destruct.

Personally I think he's retreated to his QT for help.

[Zed17]

The whole roflcopter wagon is uninspired and bad, imo.