Mafia of the Raptured (Game Over!)

[implosion]

Hw did you come by your town reads on Amrun/pjo, Tierce and Syryana?

Tierce and syryana are both lingering townreads from the first few pages of the game. There weren't any specific posts that triggered those by and large; more generally their attitudes and content.

[MattP]

I'm going to state intent to place Antagon at L1

If anyone would like him not to be just yet, say something

[Katsuki]

Those have probably got to be some of the worst reasons I've seen for being labeled "leaning scum".

[Tammy]

I was hoping to get to this game tonight, but ran out of time. I'd stay up but I have an interview tomorrow (wish me luck!) so can't.

Anyway, one thing I remembered I wanted to ask was why zdenek thinks the amrun slot is most likely town? I thought her intro was completely underwhelming.

The thing with Antagon's claim is: the name sounds legit. I remember in mafia behind the maiden I was a commuter and had a role name/flavor name with something like duck out. I couldn't take people with me, but I was a nonconsecutive commuter. There was role in Abarat where there was a nonconsecutive commuter who could take people with him. The problem I have with the claim is the description of it being an ascetic/jailkeeper role. Ascetics can't be targeted by roles but can be killed. So, I'm lost on that part of the description.

I'm leaning town on ffery. I think that it's gone beyond anyone really scum reading her, but in reading through her games she's really slow and deliberate like this. I also don't think she reacts to a vote or two the way that some people do...don't think she's the type to easily rile up. In a couple of her scum games, she either didn't really focus on the game that in depth or aggressively pushed in a way that was superficial. So, I think the slow, cautious way of her giving reads is more her town play. I've been putting that off long enough and now it's been nearly a week since I read those games so I can't remember particulars.

I'd still be up for lynching implosion. Going to bed now though can't really think.

[Tierce]

Done fighting that lynch. I don't agree with it and I seriously think Antagon is going to flip Town, but there's no way he's not going to end up lynched sooner or later. Don't forget to lynch MattP afterward.

[Zdenek]

when I asked for a claim, Antagon was my favorite lynch.

What happened since to make you think he's town?

Tammy, I think if pjovek was scum and was playing like that he would have been too invested in the game to vanish like that.

[Vi]

~Vote Count XXI

Antagon (6)

~ Katsuki, Amrun, hp [leaves], Zdenek, enomis, Oversoul

MattP (2)

~ Tammy, Tierce

fferyllt (2)

~ MattP, Syryana

Zachrulez (1)

~ implosion

Amrun (1)

~ sword_of_omens

hp [leaves] (1)

~ Zachrulez

Not Voting:

fferyllt, Antagon,

(Oversoul)

--With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

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[Tierce]

when I asked for a claim, Antagon was my favorite lynch.

What happened since to make you think he's town?

Tammy, I think if pjovek was scum and was playing like that he would have been too invested in the game to vanish like that.

The claim seems legitimate and my lightbulb moment has fizzled out without much ado.

[Amrun]

Tammy, my intro is underwhelming? What intro? I haven't read the game yet. Lol. I warned upon replacing in that it would take a while because of how my life works out. Mod said it was okay.

I managed to ISO Antagon on my phone last night before passing out. If not for the claim, I would have no issue at all with him swinging. With the claim, it's kind of meh but I doubt fakeclaims don't exist. We could leave one night to test -- that's what I would prefer -- but everyone else seems to be chomping at the bit so be it.

[Zdenek]

We could lynch hp [leaves], since Antagon is probably bussing him.

[Zdenek]

when I asked for a claim, Antagon was my favorite lynch.

What happened since to make you think he's town?

Tammy, I think if pjovek was scum and was playing like that he would have been too invested in the game to vanish like that.

The claim seems legitimate and my lightbulb moment has fizzled out without much ado.

I'm not sure what either of things things has to do with his alignment.

[Tierce]

The claim obviously has something to do with his alignment. He's essentially an Alien, and Aliens aren't much use to scum.

If you needed to know about my lightbulb moment's specifics, you would.


I'll trad a Townreadish for a nullread any day of the week. I think the bussing premise is wrong, but.

UNVOTE: MattP
VOTE: hp [leaves]

[Zdenek]

The claim obviously has something to do with his alignment. He's essentially an Alien, and Aliens aren't much use to scum.

That is crazy talk.
Roleblocking is of no use to scum?
Being investigation immune and bulletproof (which Antagon is when he acts) is of no use to scum?

[Zachrulez]

Yeah my thought is that the role is quite useful for either alignment.

[Zdenek]

I feel like Tierce got busted changing her read on Antagon for a bad reason and is floundering to try to justify it.

[Tierce]

I feel like Tierce got busted changing her read on Antagon for a bad reason and is floundering to try to justify it.

Or Tierce is tired and isn't much worth. Come on. I've changed tracks on this read too many times to be either scum pushing a mislynch or Antagon's scumbuddy trying desperately to protect him; there is literally no Towncred for me in this situation, and I clearly don't give a damn about it anymore. Yes, I would rather Antagon wasn't lynched, because I think he's Town. Yes, I'm tired of protecting a slot that will be lynched the moment I die. I'm compromising because I won't get my lynch, and on top of it I have to put up with you reeving up the tunnel car. I know what's coming and I have neither the patience nor the good will to endure it for longer than necessary, because I know I'm really damn obvious Town and you'll never see it anywhere. :hitoshrug:

I didn't remember the roleblocking part, I was just thinking of the protection + self-commuter.

[Zachrulez]

I'm not sure what others interpretations are of what Antagon claimed, but even the jailing ability by itself is of some use to scum because it can neutralize roles even if it comes at the cost of being unable to kill the target.

What makes the claimed role more useful to scum from an analytical standpoint is the kill immunity he's claiming it grants him (Aside from the target themself.) and the fact that it make him immune to any role that would target him.

There's an argument for a chance of terrible town play here, which I would be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about that possibility, but the role itself definitely would be useful as a scum role.

[Tierce]

The problem I have with the claim is the description of it being an ascetic/jailkeeper role. Ascetics can't be targeted by roles but can be killed. So, I'm lost on that part of the description.

This wasn't Vi's description, it was Antagon's approximation; if Vi used a role name for this (which Vi doesn't always do), it would probably have been (Modified) Alien/Abductor/etc. I can vouch that Vi knows what Aliens do (it was actually a mentioned point in Skype Mafia a few weeks ago, because of the Alien faction in Greater Idea, etc.), but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't the role name in question/the role did not have a name, especially since the target can kill Antagon.

This was the reason I originally asked Antagon to explain the Ascetic/Jailkeeper bit and the reason I supported him sharing his role name.

With that said--Zach, I'm exhausted. Yes, the role is useful to scum. But for Town, it would, say, save a Town-Apocalypse role if the role had to claim and Antagon wasn't roleblocked. (Tar-Vi action resolutions may have roleblockers resolving before commuters and all that dance.) If, say, a scum player falsely claims that role and is protected by a claimed Poo, he knows he just has to shoot Poo to remove that role from the game.

It's entirely possible, and likely, that such a role is Town. Yes, it has characteristics that help scum. But Vi wouldn't be above putting a scummy looking role as Town. Heck, look at Mafia in the Backroom--there was a Town Godfather. Role speculation is not likely to help you this early, and that's why I pretty much hissed at Oversoul to leave me alone when he decided that this game Must Have Obvious Parallels To Other Vi Games And Oh My Bread Tierce Should Be Seeing Them--it might, but good luck figuring them out on D1. I'd much rather scumhunt than be bogged by that on the thread; there'll be a time for tinfoil.

That, and I am not entirely unconvinced that this game's sole purpose is to troll me with a revolution on Vi meta.

...This was a lot ramblier than I wanted it to be. Me -> bed.

[Oversoul]

I feel like Tierce got busted changing her read on Antagon for a bad reason and is floundering to try to justify it.

Just woke up but I feel the same. Tierce has been weak sauce recently trying to get the wagon she was voting for.
Her comment about not liking my vote also doesn't carry the same bravado that I think she would have if she was town.

[Oversoul]

Also, Vi going to be out of town for a couple of days. Dot know how long. Not more than 4/5 though.

[Tierce]

Tierce has been weak sauce recently trying to get the wagon she was voting for.
Her comment about not liking my vote also doesn't carry the same bravado that I think she would have if she was town.

Actually that's not half bad. I still don't like the vote's reasoning, but you get a pass from this read.

Let's face it: MattP is not getting lynched Day 1 with this playerlist (he's still scum and needs lynched soon), and amid bad sleep + busy days + random stuff I haven't been putting in as much effort as I should/could. The same applies to your vote, but frankly,

you

are generally an easy lynch and I'm not that interested in lynching you. You're probably Town and you're likely to be among the lynched in this game anyway, so I want you to shape it up. I was noting that I didn't like the vote, but if I really thought you were scum for it I would have slammed you then and there.

[Oversoul]

Quick question, Tierce
When did you stop being able to have fun?

[Tierce]

My soul was destroyed by three scumgames in a row.

I didn't.
It's the cat, isn't it. That party hat isn't fooling anyone.

[enomis]

Anyone mind explaining to me whats the alien thingy?

I will also be roleblocked and protected from any actions, unless the player I target attempts to kill me.

And nobody mentioned about this point? Roleblock means he must have other actions?

Or wait... Does it simply mean that if the player he target attempts to kill him, the player he target won't be protected because he is role blocked?

[hp [leaves]]

We could lynch hp [leaves], since Antagon is probably bussing him.

Hey I think someone is scum, let"s lynch someone else instead