Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Bacde]

Hey yessirree remember how I made a post telling people not to self-vote earlier in the thread?

I really, really, really think its important to not self-vote, especially if you are town.

But something is telling me that you saw how I loosened my pressure on Gene after his self-vote, so you were hoping that the same thing would happen again? This game doesn't work like that. I see your self-vote as MUCH more likely to come from scum than gene's.

[yessiree]

I would imagine NS to be a man with gray hair, sitting in front of the monitor, reading some mafiascum and smoking a pipe. On his table, sits a delicate pottery tea kettle, slowly emitting steam from its spout.

Don't be fooled though, for he is a master ruseman, and he will

pull the strings

.

But, I know he won't vote me; he won't let

the fool

die so easily.

[Nobody Special]

Shows what

you

know.

unvote

Vote: yessiree

That's L-1. Please ask for a claim prior to hammering.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.8:

Yessiree (4) -

JKMathews, Yessiree, Channeldelibird, Nobody Special

Bicephalous Bob (2) -

Rikablu, DoctorPepper

ChannelDelibird (1) -

Bacde

Nobody Special (1) -

Bicephalous Bob

DoctorPepper (1) -

Pebro

Not voting (0) -

Day 1 will end at 11pm BST on Wednesday 26th June 2013.

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Careful readers may notice the Deadline date has been changed - I can't do adding it seems. It is now correct.

[yessiree]

UNVOTE: yessiree

Okay, CBD/NS scum team. Calling it.

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Nobody Special]

You're not nearly as clever as you think you are.

[Pebro]

Why CBD?

[yessiree]

lol i'm an idiot, a clever idiot~

p-edit: L-2 and L-1 on my wagon

YOLO

[Bacde]

I'm not the biggest fan of the yessirree wagon

I don't know why, it doesn't feel right to me

What happened to people wagoning Bob for a slip? Are you guys convinced that its not a slip now? Because slips don't come from town, so I'm having a hard time believing that someone who was previously convinced that Bob slipped would have switched wagons.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Yeah, lynching yessirree isn't the solution, finding him a psychiatrist is. As I remember it, Nobody Special is the only one who jumped off my bandwagon without explanation, but that doesn't mean anything since NS thinks he's above explaining himself.

What are your thoughts on him, Bacde?

[Nobody Special]

Truth be told, I switched to yessiree because he's an irritating little shit who also happens to be scum.

I also think Bob is still scum.

So many choices.


P-Edit: I am not above explaining myself, my previous thing was about defending myself. Subtle difference.

[Bacde]

I really,

really

think that NS is town

which worries me, because I've never strongly read him as town before, in ANY of my games

and he's been town in all the games we've played together

But I'm unwilling to lynch someone that I'm reading as town

so I'm in a pickle

[Bacde]

NS why is yessirree scum instead of just new/inexperienced/off the wall?

[Nobody Special]

It started with the stats. Then it was the insufferable overconfidence. And the survival thing.

All that together just swings my needle waaaay over to scum. Granted, I may be too emotionally invested in this read, because arrogance in itself pisses me off, not to mention everything else.

I'm willing to step back and re-read other people, and leave yessiree for tomorrow if need be. But for now, he desperately needs rope.

[Bacde]

What about Bob's slip?

Do you think that arrogance/use of statistics/survivalistic attitude is more indicative of being scum than a scumslip?

[Nobody Special]

I've been thinking about Bob's supposed scumslip for a few days. I've been going back to my first days playing Mafia (not here.... about 6 years ago) and while I honestly can't recall if I had the exact question (whether I had to be alive to win), I do remember my mindset when being presented with the newness of Mafia. Questioning whether I had to be alive to win would not have been an absurd question, to my mind.

TL;DR: Bob's 'slip' is not really so much. Still ready to hang yessiree.

[yessiree]

LOL Bacde, how is NS town?

I almost can't count with my fingers how many times he's jumped from wagon to wagon.

I'm willing to step back and re-read other people.

^also, mission accomplished \^o^/

[Pebro]

I don't think jumping wagons is necessarily scummy.

Unvote; vote ChannelDelibird

[Bacde]

LOL Bacde, how is NS town?

I almost can't count with my fingers how many times he's jumped from wagon to wagon.

I'm willing to step back and re-read other people.

^also, mission accomplished \^o^/

NS has been pointing out legitimate things to be suspicious of IMO

you can sort of follow his train of thought with his posts, even though he doesn't lay it all out

[yessiree]

Bacde, after reading your opinion I decided to re-read everything NS has posted so far, and tried to follow his train of thoughts.

I'm calling the scum team as Bob and CDB right now.

Still ready to hang yessiree.

LOL NOPE CAN'T DO IT.

[Bacde]

Do you think it is impossible for town to change their mind about things?

[Bacde]

Questioning whether I had to be alive to win would not have been an absurd question, to my mind.

Bob's slip didn't involve knowing whether he had to be alive to win.

Bob's "slip" was for not knowing the town win condition, if I remember correctly.

Does this affect your belief that Bob slipped?

[yessiree]

I have a town read on Bob.

You have a strong town read on NS.

NS has a scum read on Bob.

NS wants me DEAD.

Let's say I get lynched and flip town, how will that change things?

[Pebro]

It'll make the town a lot more quiet. And we'll have less stretched arguments on lynching someone.

[Nobody Special]

Questioning whether I had to be alive to win would not have been an absurd question, to my mind.

Bob's slip didn't involve knowing whether he had to be alive to win.

Bob's "slip" was for not knowing the town win condition, if I remember correctly.

Does this affect your belief that Bob slipped?

In 223, Bob says that he assumed the "real winners" {quotes mine} were the survivors. That speaks to his understanding of the town wincon. (Also, bear in mind his first exposure to mafia was on Cracked.com, ffs. There's no way they can play anything close to a real game of mafia over there.)

In 226, he talks about having "just read" the Role PM. I believe other people were assuming he had 'just' (as in just prior to making

that post)

read the PM, whereas I interpret his

I assumed, even after I read the role PM, that the real winners are the ones who live to tell about it

as saying that he thought that even after reading his Role PM {at the beginning of the game}.

Now, please: Explain to me the distinction between a newbtown not knowing whether he had to be alive to win, and a newbtown not knowing the town wincon. Or rather, explain how not knowing you can win while dead negates knowledge of the general town wincon. Or both, really.