Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[Nobody Special]

"Mah name is zoidberg and I know dere are three scumz, oh wait, just kidding lolz."

This is a misrep.

No, it really isn't. Do try to keep up.

[Psyche]

"Mah name is zoidberg and I know dere are three scumz, oh wait, just kidding lolz."

This is a misrep.

No, it really isn't. Do try to keep up.

vote NS

don't dodge my questions from earlier

Also, yes it is. Period. The mark of intellectual dishonesty is explaining your position with a slanted paraphrasing of what someone has said instead of actually quoting it and pointing out what is scummy about it.

You guys' shittunnelling is a joke. A stinky, occasionally scummy joke,

[Psyche]

No one has presented any compelling justification for a zoidberg lynch besides "oh he said these things that only scum could confidently say".

But this would mean zoidberg has repeatedly forgotten that his faction has information that the town does not. What kind of fool do you take him for?

Zoidberg has identified for the town many instances of actually legitimately scummy behaviors, suggesting to me that he is not only town, but very protown. I'm still mildly surprised that the case on him is being taken seriously.

You guys are suggesting that zoidberg made a certain type of scumslip, was censured for it, and then made that exact same scumslip multiple times thereafter, being censured every time.

This is ridiculous, especially since no scumslip actually happened - what I see is you guys clearly mistaking overspeculative ideation for minority faction knowledge. If you want me to jump on your wagon, you have to explain why I should believe zoidberg's posts indicate evidence of the latter and not the former.

This is why I disagree with the zoidberg wagon. If you want it to actually grow, you need to actually engage with it. Otherwise, shut up and vote for someone else. Those are your two options.


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NS et al has been ignoring this challenge. He has also been ignoring these questions:

okay let's try this

Hey I just caught something. Zoidberg called a three man scumteam. Three. In most games of this size there are likely to be four or even five scum unless there is multiball or an SK or overpowered scum or such. The only way zoid knows there are three is if he is one of them.

My previous post was a poorly-worded prod dodge. Sorry.

I agree with the above, and Zoidberg saying "IT WAS TROLLING GUYZ HONEST!!!1" is pure bullshit.

Vote: Zoidberg

NS, why do you agree with TD?

NS, why do you think Zoidberg's explanation for his speculation was dubious?

I agree with TD because I have been in Large games with one scumteam, and Large games that were multiball. If the site meta is trending toward only Large multiball games, I've yet to see it.

The important part of TD's post is where he suggests that Zoid must be scum because he speculated about the setup. I do not care about the site meta. I want you to try to convince me that Zoid's speculation about the setup is scummy.

As it is your job to do as a townie trying to lynch scum, right?

Zoidberg was so specific about a three-man scumteam that it just feels as though he has knowledge; in other words, it ain't idle speculation, the way he presented it.

In what ways was he specific in a way that was scummy?

Remember that you can't just talk about what feels unless you can make me feels.

Just because you left in the middle of our conversation doesn't mean it's over, sorry.


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If you're going to advance a case on zoidberg, you need to quote what he did that was scummy. Anything less is baseless rhetoric and 1) will not get you a lynch and 2) will make you appear scummy.

[Psyche]

That was directed at everyone.

[penguin_alien]

I'll go back to pressuring roflcopter to back up his calls for a zoidberg lynch.

VOTE: roflcopter

Do you still think TIP and TD are town as per #272?

[Rubicon]

Okay, gonna spend the next 30 minutes or so catching up with this game.

[Zed17]

I'll go back to pressuring roflcopter to back up his calls for a zoidberg lynch.

Imagine how pressured he must feel when you explicitly say you don't have any intent to lynch him.

[Varsoon]

@Boxxy: That's what he wants you to think. "Scum wouldn't be so stupid" are some pretty good last words from town.

@Zed: Why should I not vote for you? You've not articulated either of your votes on me, and you're diffusing town's pressure left and right--not to mention sitting back and not being too engaged with the game itself. I felt your first post was very strong, but since then? You've been really easy to forget--a quality I hate in scum and town alike.

Vote: Zed17

Zoidberg, don't think you're off the hook. I've got full intent to hammer your ass whenever it comes up. You're confirmed scum to me.

[Desperado]

@TIP: Only Scum deal in absolutes.

Zoidberg, don't think you're off the hook. I've got full intent to hammer your ass whenever it comes up. You're confirmed scum to me.

This dude is scum yo

[Psyche]

Right now I have a totally statistically insignificant finding in favor of a Varsoons lynch for his scumclaim. Lol.

[penguin_alien]

I'll go back to pressuring roflcopter to back up his calls for a zoidberg lynch.

Imagine how pressured he must feel when you explicitly say you don't have any intent to lynch him.

Who said I have no intent to lynch him?

[Zoidberg]

Vote: Zed17

Zoidberg, don't think you're off the hook. I've got full intent to hammer your ass whenever it comes up. You're confirmed scum to me.

Your shitty reads aside, I'd prefer it if you voted roflcopter and not Zed.

[Varsoon]

Zoidberg, that's pretty damn rude.

Also, seeing as Zed doesn't respond to single pressure-votes and no one seems to hold the sentiment,

Vote: Zoidberg

Why would I vote for Roflcopter when I know you're scum? Especially since you're the one advocating his wagon?

[Zed17]

Who said I have no intent to lynch him?

You stated yourself it was a pressure vote. Commit X, and he's home-free. Boring.

[Zed17]

Also, seeing as Zed doesn't respond to single pressure-votes and no one seems to hold the sentiment,

It's been an hour and a half.

Why not actually wait a bit to see if your vote came to fruition? More votes on Varsoon for the Blood God please.

[Varsoon]

Try two hours. Besides, I knew you were here, so, /shrug.

I really wanted to see what Zoid and Psyche would say about my shift in vote, but, moreso, to get an instant rise out of you. But, it seems like you left and came back, so, eh, I only got a bit of what I wanted.


Starting to wonder if the vig shot on BRO was an attempt to frame me, given that we had a bit of friendly interaction coming into the game. It's really weird that there's so many nonsense votes on me, so I'm sure there's some scum there.


Zed, how do you feel about Zoid's attempts to get me to vote Roflcopter?

[Varsoon]

@TIP: Only Scum deal in absolutes.

Zoidberg, don't think you're off the hook. I've got full intent to hammer your ass whenever it comes up. You're confirmed scum to me.

This dude is scum yo

The first quote there is a reference to Star Wars ("Only the Sith deal in absolutes"), and is ironic due to the fact it's an absolute statement.

The second quote reiterates my conviction towards my Zoidberg vote, and the fact that I feel he's the best day 1 lynch. In fact, the way he's trying to peel me, the most outspoken person on his wagon, off of it, makes me absolutely sure he's a scum PR with a strong role.

If Zoidberg flips town, feel free to Vig or lynch me tomorrow. However, I can promise you, Zoidberg is a scum PR in a multiball setup with a Daytime chat.

[Psyche]

url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect]Overconfidence effect[/url]

[Varsoon]

Your link isn't working for me, Psyche.

Besides, there's a difference between being over-confident and knowing things. I know Zoidberg is a scum PR.

Furthermore, if you took time to ISO me and -really- read my posts, you'd realize why I am a bad lynch for today.

[Psyche]

Your link isn't working for me, Psyche.

Besides, there's a difference between being over-confident and knowing things. I know Zoidberg is a scum PR.

Furthermore, if you took time to ISO me and -really- read my posts, you'd realize why I am a bad lynch for today.

This posts reads like a softclaim and I really have no time for those.

[Psyche]

Here's the deal. You just asserted certain knowledge about a player's alliance. I need to know if that's just rhetoric/bullshit.

[Zoidberg]

Your link isn't working for me, Psyche.

Besides, there's a difference between being over-confident and knowing things. I know Zoidberg is a scum PR.

Furthermore, if you took time to ISO me and -really- read my posts, you'd realize why I am a bad lynch for today.

If you're going to claim, claim. Don't pussyfoot around the issue because most townies aren't scrutinizing the thread looking for breadcrumbs. The only ones who are doing that are doctors and scum. Might as well let the rest of the town in on the secret, otherwise kindly stuff it.

[Zoidberg]

@Boxxy: That's what he wants you to think. "Scum wouldn't be so stupid" are some pretty good last words from town.

@Zed: Why should I not vote for you? You've not articulated either of your votes on me, and you're diffusing town's pressure left and right--not to mention sitting back and not being too engaged with the game itself. I felt your first post was very strong, but since then? You've been really easy to forget--a quality I hate in scum and town alike.

Vote: Zed17

Zoidberg, don't think you're off the hook. I've got full intent to hammer your ass whenever it comes up. You're confirmed scum to me.

Zoidberg, that's pretty damn rude.

Also, seeing as Zed doesn't respond to single pressure-votes and no one seems to hold the sentiment,

Vote: Zoidberg

Why would I vote for Roflcopter when I know you're scum? Especially since you're the one advocating his wagon?

Whoever it was above raised a good point. These two posts are 2 hours apart, which makes the first "pressure vote" seem fake and hollow.

[Zoidberg]

I could definitely see varsoon/rofl as scumbuddies.

[Skullduggery]

Pope, I want to know why you said that you saw Varsoon posting elsewhere when he wasn't. You can see for yourself here. Why would you lie about that? What was your intention?

Uh. Why are you so edgy about wall-posting?

Because accusations of wall-posting carry the implication that such posts are a nuisance that hinder the other players' enjoyment of the game. I don't want to be a hindrance.

Um, if you'll remember, BRO was censured for the contradiction in his wallpost concering voting VIs. Some townie might have taken that as a scumslip and then vigged.

Except that doesn't explain why BRO's scumslip-that-was-probably-just-a-brain-fart was viewed as more threatening than the alleged scumslips that folks like Zoidberg and Varsoon have made. BRO's contradiction seems innocent by comparison. Why would he be viewed as the better choice?

all these wagons are uninspired as fuck imo

If I had to pick one, it'd be Varsoon.

Then again, if I had to pick a method of death, it would be an overdose of medication.

doesn't mean it's necessarily good

You're

uninspired as fuck. If I had the pick my own method of death, I would choose to die from blood loss and hemorrhage resulting from the bite/scratch/peck/gouge/purple nurple wounds I would sustain while fighting and killing a mutant bald eagle riding a bear riding a gorilla riding a shark riding a T-rex with a pair of homemade nunchucks fashioned from two spoons and my own hair to protect a burning school bus full of war orphans with diseases that the eaglebeargorillasharktrexasaurus was trying to destroy. You know, something awesome like that.

As for scum reads, I'm looking at Varsoon and rolfcopter. Varsoon's case against zoid is weak and is trying to drive attention away from Zoid's case on rofl, which although being a largely speculation, actually has some merit beyond "OMG He scum slipped clearly."

And you aren't voting for either of them because...?

If I was a town dayvig, I'd go for a more outspoken player.

...why the hell would a town dayvig shoot an outspoken player?

To confuse Town

The fuck? Why would a Town vig want to confuse the Town?

When Varsoon claims scum

he means it

lynch him ffs

Echoing Desperado. Why are you saying this? Have you seen other games where Varsoon has claimed Scum and then later flipped Scum? If so, link them. If not, please stop talking out your ass. If you really believe that Varsoon is Scum, then you wouldn't be believing anything he said because he's Scum

and Scum lies.