Mini 1451: A Memory of Light (Game Over)

[Cephrir]

Vote Count 2.10

ThAdmiral 3

(GoodCop_BadCop, Belisarius, Iecerint)

Ms Marangal 3

(Amrun, Demon, sword_of_omens)

Demon 2

(ThAdmiral, Ms Marangal)

Selkies 1

(Nero Cain)

Not Voting 1

(Selkies)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is June 20th at 11:59 PM US Eastern. This is in (expired on 2013-06-20 23:59:59).

[Amrun]

It's kinda freaking me out that there apparently are so many PRs.

One of these things is not like the other

One of these things just doesn't belong~

[Selkies]

It's kinda freaking me out that there apparently are so many PRs.

One of these things is not like the other

One of these things just doesn't belong~

What little I understand of your role suggests two of these things are not like the others.

[Amrun]

I MEAN MARA IS SCUM

OKAY???

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Time Check

: A little over 24hours.

Lynch Progress

: Tied Lead Wagons at L-3.



I am super confused at the apathy in this game. My experience tells me scum should be pushing for a mislynch and town should be pushing for a scum lynch... but I am seeing neither at this point. The only explanation I can come up with is one of ThAd or Mara is definitely scum and scum is avoiding pushing the counter lynch to not get caught up in wagon analysis. My gut further confirms that ThAd is scum with Selkies already voicing the compromise of ThAd. This would tentatively put the ThAd wagon in the lead, and with no one strongly pushing a counter with a vote OR strongly jumping on the lead wagon with a vote, it makes sense that ThAd is scum.

ThAd's disappearance at deadline is disappointing, I really wanted clarification on what he was talking about, but without it I can only come to my own conclusions.

Would you consider a compromise? I feel that if demon flips scum mara looks really good, if he flips town I would probably be willing to vote mara tomorrow.

Assuming that Thad and Mara aren't scum-together (which I find unlikely considering the interactions to this point), and assuming Demon is actually town, lynching Demon would setup another mislynch (in likely MYLO I might add) in Mara. I just don't see the connection he is drawing here, which in turn looks like a setup to me.

Thad is scum. In the event that Thad flips town, I am more than willing to lynch Mara as her claim doesn't make sense with the information that we have gotten from Thad.

Nero and Selkies, you both need to make your choice.

~GC

[Amrun]

You don't see the connection? It's extremely straightforward and simple and I have a hard time thinking this question is legitimate.

I don't want to say because I do want ThAd to answer, but...

[Selkies]

VOTE: ThAd

This is the most dissonant vote we have put down in our short and eventful history as a hydra.

[Amrun]

no

i weep for you

i weep for my country

you can tak our lahvs but you cannae tak our freedom

[Ms Marangal]

I don't want to have to compromise, I want to lynch scum and I seriously doubt that Thad's attitudes make sense from a scum-perspective while Demons does.

and I don't actually see anything wrong with superbly powerful town, it just means that scum is likely to have just as powerful roles

also, RE the Awkward claim, I had soft-claimed my role under next to no pressure in a large game. not even lynch pressure, though I made the claim as a way to keep mafia away from me.

I was one-shot BP cop enabler

of course you would want me gone Goat, without me the cops cant work and get get a guilty result on you and your teammates. You also wouldn't be able to kill me at night so the only real way to get me out of the game is to lynch me. that's not going to happen

this got me under suspicion for a while but, I eventually did catch quite a bit of scum though it got me lynched near end game because of it.

[Nero Cain]

My experience tells me scum should be pushing for a mislynch and town should be pushing for a scum lynch

this is fucking horrible.

also, RE the Awkward claim, I had soft-claimed my role under next to no pressure in a large game. not even lynch pressure, though I made the claim as a way to keep mafia away from me.

I was one-shot BP cop enabler

lol no. Goat had attacked you and then you were all like "of course you want to lynch me" which was so not a soft claim at all.

[ThAdmiral]

We're at a conflict of reads between ThAd and Demon ATM...

Would you consider a compromise? I feel that

if demon flips scum mara looks really good

, if

he flips town I would probably be willing to vote mara tomorrow

.

Care to walk me through your logic here ThAd?

~GC

Pretty simple - if demon flips scum the person who has been pressing for his lynch (i.e. mara) will be very likely to be town. If demon flips scum I will be less sure about mara, basically because

someone

has to be scum, and would consider voting her tomorrow.

ThAd's disappearance at deadline is disappointing, I really wanted clarification on what he was talking about, but without it I can only come to my own conclusions.

Chill dude, lets not jump the gun.
I'm here.

If you fear I am trying to set up multiple mislynches (regarding mara) here is a new proposal - I will vote myself tomorrow if demon flips town. I figure I will probably be fucked anyway.

[ThAdmiral]

VOTE: ThAd

This is the most dissonant vote we have put down in our short and eventful history as a hydra.

Which one doesn't want to lynch me?

Whoever you are it is time to take this control of this hydra (by force if necessary) and make the right call!

[Nero Cain]

So I dunno, he's still essentially sidelining his vote.

yep. I don't really like the THAD or Mara lynches.

Demon is meh. I mean back on day 1 I thought his vote on Mil was pretty opportunistic but he's been lurkish and nothing has really jumped out at me but then again I haven't really been that attentive this game so meh. Though there's still time and I'll try to focus on this game tomorrow before deadline.

[Selkies]

VOTE: ThAd

This is the most dissonant vote we have put down in our short and eventful history as a hydra.

Which one doesn't want to lynch me?

Whoever you are it is time to take this control of this hydra (by force if necessary) and make the right call!

Me, fferyllt. Nero sums it up pretty well. I like neither of the main wagons, nor the Demon wagon. If I had an idea for a better lynch I would be pushing it.

[Selkies]

More rereading today.

[Selkies]

I think orcinus and I were wrong about iece today. And I think we are right about GCBC.

It's a circumstantial case, though, and it hinges upon the BC head of the hydra more than the GC head.

Their participation and interaction with other players has been off. They have built cases on relatively weak-stanced and vulnerable players, with one glaring exception. I'm talking about Milk, SoO and ThAd. GC accuses Demon of setting up lynches while in the same post as the accusation, he sets up lynches. They posted meta about Milk's scum game and failed to mention there was Iece scum meta in the exact same thread they pulled Milk meta from.

They are coasting on a day one town read.

Iece is the relatively weak an vulnerable player they have not pushed on

This is from memory. I will have time in 4-5 hours to document, expand and possibly refute or correct stuff if my memory is wrong about any of these points.

UNVOTE: ThAd

VOTE: GCBC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Selkies, there’s a reason I’ve been on Thad the entire day. My role gives me reason to not believe his claim. I really didn’t want to reveal anything, but that’s how it is. His “and something else” could clarify it, or make it even more damning, I dunno.

You can ask GC about his SOO case, because in case you’ve forgotten, I wasn’t all for it.

I did meta-dive Iece, but his play here has been seen in both his town game and his scum game. Would you like to discuss it?

[Selkies]

hi, this is the 'bad cop' of selkies

I have a way of reading hydras where I only focus on the head that I have meta with/on, and that in this case is you, Cabd.

I don't blame you for tunneling thad today. I personally don't think that tunneling is scummy. But your recalcitrance to proactively interact with other people is.

Talk to me about that.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Selkies, there’s a reason I’ve been on Thad the entire day. My role gives me reason to not believe his claim. I really didn’t want to reveal anything, but that’s how it is. His “and something else” could clarify it, or make it even more damning, I dunno.

You can ask GC about his SOO case, because in case you’ve forgotten, I wasn’t all for it.

I did meta-dive Iece, but his play here has been seen in both his town game and his scum game. Would you like to discuss it?

Derp, forgot to sign.

~BC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

hi, this is the 'bad cop' of selkies

I have a way of reading hydras where I only focus on the head that I have meta with/on, and that in this case is you, Cabd.

I don't blame you for tunneling thad today. I personally don't think that tunneling is scummy. But your recalcitrance to proactively interact with other people is.

Talk to me about that.

Hi orci. Let's talk, then. I had to google the word recalcitrant, and I don't think that's what you meant, did you?

Anyways, I'm gonna assume you meant "reluctant" there, and that's just how this hydra has been set up I guess. GC does most of the speaking, while I do the heavy lifting in the backgorund. It's kinda like how ffery likes to sit back and research in some of her hydrae while the other head does all the work and gets supplied her results. Hawkie/GC actually has a lot more experience in the game than I do.

~BC

[Selkies]

11:32 ew
11:33 i'm never typing a game post while watching game of thrones ever again

in other news

what if i accuse you of not having the town-minded will to win that you exhibit in most of your other games

[GoodCop_BadCop]

11:32 ew
11:33 i'm never typing a game post while watching game of thrones ever again

in other news

what if i accuse you of not having the town-minded will to win that you exhibit in most of your other games

(What, finally got to the red wedding or something? If you've read the books, it even gets worse soon enough, heh)

I’d ask you “what other games” because I only recall playing ongoing games with you. I don’t like drawing a PR because then I worry about being NK’d more, and have to play more cautiously. If you’re talking about the game we’ve both flipped in, note I was VT. I don’t recall ever playing a game with you where I wasn’t VT.
We’re skirting the ongoing games rule, though. I really don’t want to get modkilled over this, so yeah.

Any reason we're playing the what if game?

[Selkies]

Why are you drawing attention to a small speech habit in the manner in which I ask my questions

Do you have something you would like to say

And what is your second scum read, after thAd

[Selkies]

And fery and I both have more experience with you than the other head and I believe she's played with you substantially

and I'm pretty sure you just dodged that question with a "lol shit man you don't know me/haven't played with me enough" which is scummy as all hell

[Selkies]

oh yeah and

11:51 "I am playing differently because I am a PR and I worry about being NK'd more"
11:51 "I am now going to softclaim PR while I'm at it for virtually no effect"