Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[Psyche]

Anyway, I'm not surprised to see Zoidberg completely dismantling my case. S'what he does against any accusations made against him, more or less.

Wow, what a weird thing to do when people make accusations against him.

[Desperado]

Back. Since no one was posting at 5 AM my time, I slept... until 5 PM. I really need to fix my schedule, but it's summer.



Anyway, I'm not surprised to see Zoidberg completely dismantling my case. S'what he does against any accusations made against him, more or less.
Gets mad, gets rude, says it has no merit, claims the approach is useless, etc.
If rofl turned up scum to Zoidberg, then the best possible route is STILL lynch Zoidberg first, then lynch roflcopter. This way, we know Zoid isn't lying about his role PM (No one ever lied about their role PM, right?), and if he is, we can see his case on rofl being bullshit.

Like I said, he's probably a powerful one-shot scum role. He'd do anything to live through the night, even if it is claiming daycop so that he can direct a lynch (or a bus) just to get through one more day.

We have 21 players. We just caught one that was definitely scum. The answer is easy. We lynch Zoidberg. If he flips his role, we lynch scum-roflcopter. If he flips scum, we'll decide what to do from there. I'm positive he's scum, though, and what he posted is likely a fakeclaim.

Are you high?

He claimed JOAT. There is no way we are lynching Zoid first to test his claim, and I honestly struggle to understand how you even came to that conclusion.

[Varsoon]

He mentioned fake-claims earlier, and his role happens to be exactly the one he needs to get out of this pickle. He's been riding roflcopter so long that happening to have a ONE-SHOT DAY COP claim gives his wagon some kind of merit.

Pro-tip, it doesn't. The only thing that it could do is if we lynch him, see that he DEFINITELY IS OR IS NOT a one-shot day cop, then lynch/don't lynch roflcopter based off of that information.

I've been in games like this before, where a scum claimed a one-shot PR to attempt to scramble for a little more life in the game. It didn't work then, and I don't want to see it work now.

It's all too convenient, is the problem. If his claim was something like doctor or jailer or roleblocker or neighbor or something innocuous that wouldn't fuel his rofl wagon, I'd probably give it some merit. But it isn't. It's one-shot daycop with seven other abilities he has only described as 'bourbon'/similar to a JOAT. Ergo, it wasn't a full-claim, it was him claiming only what he needed to survive.

[Desperado]

Why are you including "If he flips his role, we lynch scum-rofl" when you are "positive" that he's scum fakeclaiming?

You are scummy as fuck man

P-Edit: He has claimed JOAT with less than 8 abilities. Likely the standard 4.

You are suggesting we lynch a claimed town JOAT with a daycop ability to test his claim.

There is no fucking way we are doing that.

[Psyche]

CLAIM VARSOON GODDAMIT

[Varsoon]

Anyway, I'm not surprised to see Zoidberg completely dismantling my case. S'what he does against any accusations made against him, more or less.

Wow, what a weird thing to do when people make accusations against him.

I wrote out a 2000+ word document on why Zoidberg is scum.
His response, by-and-large, has been "That's bullshit, PBPA are useless, this is IIoA.'
His response, in-line with how he's been all game so far, has been a pretty OMGUS approach.


P-EDIT:
@Desperado: This is exactly the effect he wants on you. He wants you to go "OH MAN THAT ROLE IS STILL USEFUL TO TOWN WE CANT LYNCH THAT" so that you

don't want to fucking lynch him

. Listen, he's scummy as shit, and you know what's equally scummy, if not moreso? Getting called out on your scumminess then fake-claiming a powerful town role.

I'm suggesting we lynch a fake-claiming, lying, scum-player.

Why include "If he flips his role"? So that the town who are too dense to realize that scum can fake-claim powerful PRs will side with me on this one. I am now 99% positive he's scum.

Also, it's hilarious that he's claiming now to be reckless with his PR play, when earlier one of the defenses he lobbied was that if he was scum, he wouldn't be so reckless. This equates, to me, to him saying that if he wanted to survive in a game, he wouldn't be reckless. Except, now he claims he's trying to be, despite the PR. It's fractured logic, which means at one point he was lying to us.


@Psyche: No, unlike scum-Zoidberg, I'm not going to use my claim to give my argument leverage.

[Desperado]

I've been in games like this before, where a scum claimed a one-shot PR to attempt to scramble for a little more life in the game. It didn't work then, and I don't want to see it work now.

Links

[Desperado]

@Psyche: No, unlike scum-Zoidberg, I'm not going to use my claim to give my argument leverage.

You're gonna lose then

[Psyche]

I wrote out a 2000+ word document on why Zoidberg is scum.
His response, by-and-large, has been "That's bullshit, PBPA are useless, this is IIoA.'
His response, in-line with how he's been all game so far, has been a pretty OMGUS approach.

What, did you expect him to write a 2000+ word defense? To me, his response to your case was a pretty solid rebuttal. If you don't think his defense is very good, you need to make a post that quotes each part and explains its problems.

And OMGUS is not scummy. I did a study on this months ago and town get accused of it 5% more often than they ought to. You're tunneling right now and it's quite reasonable considering the commitment you've made to this case. But Zoidberg has claimed a still-useful PR and is not getting lynched today. Period.

Earlier I was about to give up my pretentions about the Zoidberg wagon because you said that you had special knowledge that vindicated it. This is another of those times where you step off and defer to good strategy. If you turn out to be right, just gloat in the endgame.

pedit: Then I'll just assume that you're lying and vote accordingly. :/

[Varsoon]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27171 - Rach Marie claims Jailkeeper in an attempt to save her own ass when she's close to being hammered.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=28250 - ACFAN claims One-Shot Weak Doc in an attempt to save his own ass.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25954 - GIF claims Jailkeeper and wins the game.

And these are the ones that are not ongoing that I can recall off the top of my head. It's a huge percentage of my games, so you can see why I'm doubtful of my number one scum-spec when he claims a powerful PR.


P-EDIT:
If I lose because I'm not a weak enough player to rely on a roleclaim to carry me to victory, then so be it. There's no reason for me to claim right now, unless I lie about my role in order to make it appropriate for today's situation, or manipulate it in some way to curry favor. Fuck that. I'm laying out my reasons why Zoidberg is the most important lynch we can make today, and if you don't like it, so be it.

[Varsoon]

I wrote out a 2000+ word document on why Zoidberg is scum.
His response, by-and-large, has been "That's bullshit, PBPA are useless, this is IIoA.'
His response, in-line with how he's been all game so far, has been a pretty OMGUS approach.

What, did you expect him to write a 2000+ word defense? To me, his response to your case was a pretty solid rebuttal. If you don't think his defense is very good, you need to make a post that quotes each part and explains its problems.

And OMGUS is not scummy. I did a study on this months ago and town get accused of it 5% more often than they ought to. You're tunneling right now and it's quite reasonable considering the commitment you've made to this case. But Zoidberg has claimed a still-useful PR and is not getting lynched today. Period.

Earlier I was about to give up my pretentions about the Zoidberg wagon because you said that you had special knowledge that vindicated it. This is another of those times where you step off and defer to good strategy. If you turn out to be right, just gloat in the endgame.

pedit: Then I'll just assume that you're lying and vote accordingly. :/

If I'm in a real pinch, I'll let you know my role and why I know Zoidberg is full of shit.
Right now, though? Doing that goes against my style. I'd be no better than Zoidberg if I put forth a role/knowledge just to gain game-leverage.
Zoidberg claimed a still-useful PR SO THAT HE WOULD NOT GET LYNCHED TODAY.
Don't you see you're being duped?
THE WHOLE REASON HE CLAIMED THAT PR WAS SO YOU'D BELIEVE THAT SHIT AND AVOID LYNCHING HIM.
HE'S LYING.
HE HAS A STRONG SCUM PR, LIKELY ONE-SHOT.
HE INTENDS TO USE IT TONIGHT.
WE HAVE TO LYNCH HIM TODAY.
HE WILL SAY LITERALLY ANYTHING TO TRY TO AVOID THAT AND CURRY TOWN FAVOR.

[Who]

Varsoon, if Zoidberg is lying and roflcopter is town Zoidberg will get hammered by every town PR in the game which can hinder him tonight and then we lynch him tomorrow if he doesn't die overnight. If he's telling the truth and roflcopter is scum, all well and good. If he's lying and roflcopter is scum anyway, we can argue then over whether it's multiball or bussing or whatever tomorrow, but we still hit scum today. I don't see what benefit there is to lynching him rather than roflcopter.

[Desperado]

None of those are even close to this situation. Zoidberg wasn't in danger of getting lynched, and certainly isn't saving his own ass.

He's trying to get someone lynched.

The only scenario where I would consider lynching Zoid today is if ROFL claims a PR himself. And then Varsoon would have to claim with his info on Zoid.

[Desperado]

THE WHOLE REASON HE CLAIMED THAT PR WAS SO YOU'D BELIEVE THAT SHIT AND AVOID LYNCHING HIM.
HE'S LYING.
HE HAS A STRONG SCUM PR, LIKELY ONE-SHOT.
HE INTENDS TO USE IT TONIGHT.
WE HAVE TO LYNCH HIM TODAY.
HE WILL SAY LITERALLY ANYTHING TO TRY TO AVOID THAT AND CURRY TOWN FAVOR.

Yeah I bet being on L-7 was really making scum-Zoid quake in his boots.

Come on man. He claimed PR to get ROFL lynched, not save his ass. This is a crazy misrep.

[TiphaineDeath]

Varsoon, chill, we have a claimed cop, with a guilty. The safe and correct play is to lynch the guilty and then turbo lynch the "cop" if the guilty is town.

[Psyche]

varsoons, I don't believe you sry

i promise this game isn't so imbalanced that zoidberg surviving the Day will end us forever

but if you have knowledge otherwise then i want to know it

[TiphaineDeath]

If you have role info on zoid you really do need to tell us.

[Zoidberg]

Oh, cool, so his role-related info that I'm scum doesn't exist. I just wanted to see if Varsoon was stupid enough to claim that he had role-related info, even though he hinted strongly that he did.

Notice the AtE. "He's rude, lynch him." "he got mad, lynch him" "He said my case was worthless and without merit, and it is, but I'm emotionally invested, so lynch him anyways."

Someone hammer.

pedit:

If I'm in a real pinch, I'll let you know my role and why I know Zoidberg is full of shit.

Are you seriously claiming to have role-related info that I'm guilty? Cool, let's get rofl and you're next on the chopping block.

[Zoidberg]

I'm considering unvoting so we can powerlynch Varsoon.

[Varsoon]

@Who: And that's different from lynching Zoidberg today, how? The BEST POSSIBLE thing town can do right now is lynch Zoidberg, then, depending on his flip, lynch roflcopter. I am pretty sure he's bussing for towncred, but he might be crazy enough to be trying to get a town lynch in just to live through the night, as well.

@Desperado: So, me levying a huge case against Zoidberg and him having one of the highest vote-counts on him at the time isn't 'danger of getting lynched'?
Scum's -always- trying to get someone else lynched.


@Zoidberg: Way to set up lynches, scum. Town will wise up and catch you. It's only a matter of time.

Vote: Roflcopter

[Psyche]

No one lynch, please. We have rofl and more of varsoons to hear from.

[Zoidberg]

If I'm in a real pinch, I'll let you know my role and why I know Zoidberg is full of shit.

Are you claiming to have concrete proof that I'm scum? Yes or no?

[Psyche]

sure whatever we'll just do it tomorrow

[Varsoon]

If I'm in a real pinch, I'll let you know my role and why I know Zoidberg is full of shit.

Are you claiming to have concrete proof that I'm scum? Yes or no?

Yes.

[Psyche]

What kind of information.