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[ChannelDelibird]

I'm going to ignore your first point because I've already made my point about the language and we can only have a yes/no argument about it. Others can decide for themselves.

2) Reading this sentence it essentially reads, "Ghostlin was secure that Archangel was scum and willing to hammer because Archangel's claim was bad." This ignores two facts: Town or scum, I wouldn't have necessarily known AA was bluffing. I would have a lot more to lose as scum being correct than Town.

I'm not saying you wouldn't have a lot to lose as scum if she was telling the truth. I'm saying it was obvious enough that she wasn't telling the truth that that drawback was greatly reduced to the point where you'd probably take the risk for the chance of the townpoints+mislynch.

Fact two: this reason is a bunch of cognitive dissonance masquerading as a valid reason to vote. I could of been equally secure of AA's claim being fake as Town but wanted to test it.

Exactly. The act itself is

equal

, meaning that it does not give you the townpoints to outweigh the

other

things that I find scummy about you, that I have discussed in previous posts. I'm not voting you

for

the hammer. I'm voting you for other things because the hammer is null.

I could of been holding out on my own flip.

This is a hint at a power role and I don't believe it at all. Everything about your behaviour around the hammer was trying to project the impression that you were OK with dying for the greater cause. Now you want me to consider that you might have been trying to protect a power role? Bullshit, you're saying this in case it helps get votes off you.

3) This is WIFOM and you know it.

There are elements of WIFOM but nightkill analysis is underrated on this site at the moment because every time anyone tries to bring it up, it's shouted down with "WIFOM" on principle. Scum kills are always done with a reason. Sometimes that reason is "to screw over people who try to analyse the nightkills". Most of the time it's not.

[Amrun]

Amrun, you haven't mentioned penguin_alien for a long time. I don't necessarily disagree with the vote but why not expand on it?

REASONS

DON'T RAIN ON MY PARADE

EVEN THOUGH YOU ALREADY DID

WHY DID YOU DO THAT CDB

[ChannelDelibird]

REASONS

DON'T RAIN ON MY PARADE

EVEN THOUGH YOU ALREADY DID

WHY DID YOU DO THAT CDB

Because it was weird. It's still weird.

[Lord Mhork]

I still don't think that I believe scum Ghostlin though. Who would his scumbuddies be then, CDB? 'Cause that hammer felt really, really town to me...

[Lord Mhork]

Fuzzy, what are your reads right now? Other than Ghostlin, I mean.

penguin_alien, why are you a nonentity?

@Mod: Prod please? :3

RachMarie, bro fist. We got this. I'm considering voting PA. What do you think? What about BROseidon?

BROseidon, you scum, pal? You feel really, really cautious. What are you thinking?

ChannelDelibird, Ghostlin aside, who's scum?

[fuzzybutternut]

I need more information from Penguin to decide there.
You and Rach, as I said, pretty much Conf. Town.
Ghost is scum, ofc.
Bro is..well, I dunno. Need more info there too.
CDB seems town.
Saints hammer throws me for a loop.
Bleh. >.>

[Amrun]

REASONS

DON'T RAIN ON MY PARADE

EVEN THOUGH YOU ALREADY DID

WHY DID YOU DO THAT CDB

Because it was weird. It's still weird.

Obviously it's weird. You couldn't see what penguin alien did with a weird vote? -.-

[Saint]

I would have hammered as either alignment. js

[RachMarie]

hmm will go over her ISO I know she can be a good scumz have seen it before....

I would love to see a case on her, The whole start a wagon with just a vote always rubs me the wrong way.



GOOD NEWS I HAVE MY NEW COMPUTER YAY

[penguin_alien]

The Ghostlin case does seem to come back to people questioning things about the supersaint claim. Which makes this:

Exactly. The act itself is equal, meaning that it does not give you the townpoints to outweigh the other things that I find scummy about you, that I have discussed in previous posts. I'm not voting you for the hammer. I'm voting you for other things because the hammer is null.

not something I can see backed up. To start out last day phase, you said:

I'll start with Ghostlin. The way he went about the hammer looks town (probably enough to ignore him today) but I still have reservations.

Your reservations, as far as I can tell, come from his vote on Saint at the beginning of Day One. I know some people think early-game is where they do their best scumhunting, but you're not specifically referring back to that case. If these reasons you discussed earlier are so compelling, why not detail them?

You are right that Amrun and Ghostlin vote together a lot, but the end of Day One is a matter of Amrun being around to put ArcAngel9 to L-1 at Ghostlin's request. That they both piled on TMTOLBTWNTOF early, spent a lot of time voting him Day One, and aren't looking any more deeply into that lynch niggles at me. And in terms of final wagons, BROseidon manages to be following right along with them.

fuzzy, you say Ghostlin is trying to set up the masons. But the closest I've seen to people not taking it as a given is here:

Saint, why was your vote on Mhork at the end of D1? Mhork is town

How does he know it's not a scum gambit?

In addition to, you know, the entire rest of the post being weak as fuck.

Where BROseidon uses someone rolling with the claim as a reason to call them scum.

Amrun-Ghostlin being in lockstep aside, BROseidon spends a lot of time setting people up without making any actual cases he has to defend. As in here:

VOTE: TMTOL

Anyone else see it?

He specifies later with the quote above about TWTOLBTWNTOF buying the masons claim too readily for his taste. Why not say what's making you vote at the time? Town shouldn't be cautious about putting their cases out there for people to consider. It's what he did on Day One with Ghostlin:

Ghostlin town

Can we talk about this read, because I disagree.

You're asking to talk about a read but not kicking things off. You've been mentioning he's a scum read, but the most you've said about why is:

I don't like Ghost's vote for letters and subsequent only commenting on the modkill thing. Do like his earning votes point, though

and not addressing anything he's done since. It reads like you're trying to get others to make a case for you or give you something to attack.

Saint seems to be scum hunting more, and the last time I played with someone who was so abrasive they did turn out to be town.

UNVOTE: Saint
VOTE: BROseidon

Do you have some reason to think that RachMarie is scummy? The chattiness seems more null to me.

And tried to paint RachMarie as scummy pre-masons claim for a weak reason.

Amrun, if you have something you want me to address, have at it; otherwise (and regardless, really) I'd like to hear your take on BROseidon, specifically his interaction with the TMTOLBTWNTOF wagon last day phase.

VOTE: BROseidon

[ChannelDelibird]

I'll come to this tonight if I can but my access will be slightly reduced this weekend, particularly on Saturday. Just to let y'all know.

[fuzzybutternut]

I would have hammered as either alignment. js

Why?

[BROseidon]

penguin_alien, why are you a nonentity?

I'm curious about this as well.

BROseidon, you scum, pal? You feel really, really cautious. What are you thinking?

Thinking that I need to do some rereading and that I'm meh on time. Thinking Mhork/Rach are probably town based on the claim. My strongest townread is Saint at this point, and I am thinking that FBN and CDB are more likely town than Ghost, p_a, and Amrun (which would leave them as scum by PoE). I want to

He specifies later with the quote above about TWTOLBTWNTOF buying the masons claim too readily for his taste. Why not say what's making you vote at the time?

For shits and giggles, honestly. I thought it was fairly obvious and that other people would see it.

Going to try to post something more substantive tonight or tomorrow. But one quick question: what does a vanilla cop do? I want to ISO DV to see if he crumbed anything yesterday.

[penguin_alien]

penguin_alien, why are you a nonentity?

I'm curious about this as well.

Is there something in particular you want to know?

He specifies later with the quote above about TWTOLBTWNTOF buying the masons claim too readily for his taste. Why not say what's making you vote at the time?

For shits and giggles, honestly. I thought it was fairly obvious and that other people would see it.

Going to try to post something more substantive tonight or tomorrow. But one quick question: what does a vanilla cop do? I want to ISO DV to see if he crumbed anything yesterday.

A vanilla cop is a PR detector. Vanilla townies come back 'vanilla' and PRs come back 'not vanilla.' Sometimes scum goons are called Vanilla goons to keep it from auto-finding town, IIRC. And if you thought he was scum why didn't you do your utmost to make sure others saw what you did and agreed with your case? For giggles doesn't cut it with all the other 'avoiding making cases' you've been doing.

[fuzzybutternut]

Hmm.

VOTE: Broseidon

[Lord Mhork]

penguin_alien, why are you a nonentity?

I'm curious about this as well.

BROseidon, you scum, pal? You feel really, really cautious. What are you thinking?

Thinking that I need to do some rereading and that I'm meh on time. Thinking Mhork/Rach are probably town based on the claim. My strongest townread is Saint at this point, and I am thinking that FBN and CDB are more likely town than Ghost, p_a, and Amrun (which would leave them as scum by PoE). I want to

He specifies later with the quote above about TWTOLBTWNTOF buying the masons claim too readily for his taste. Why not say what's making you vote at the time?

For shits and giggles, honestly. I thought it was fairly obvious and that other people would see it.

Going to try to post something more substantive tonight or tomorrow. But one quick question: what does a vanilla cop do? I want to ISO DV to see if he crumbed anything yesterday.

-.-
I think I'm gonna vote you on this post alone...

penguin_alien, why are you a nonentity?

I'm curious about this as well.

Is there something in particular you want to know?

He specifies later with the quote above about TWTOLBTWNTOF buying the masons claim too readily for his taste. Why not say what's making you vote at the time?

For shits and giggles, honestly. I thought it was fairly obvious and that other people would see it.

Going to try to post something more substantive tonight or tomorrow. But one quick question: what does a vanilla cop do? I want to ISO DV to see if he crumbed anything yesterday.

A vanilla cop is a PR detector. Vanilla townies come back 'vanilla' and PRs come back 'not vanilla.' Sometimes scum goons are called Vanilla goons to keep it from auto-finding town, IIRC. And if you thought he was scum why didn't you do your utmost to make sure others saw what you did and agreed with your case? For giggles doesn't cut it with all the other 'avoiding making cases' you've been doing.

I just wanna know, like, your reads and stuff. Just normal townie things.

What the hell
VOTE: BROseidon

[Saint]

I would have hammered as either alignment. js

Why?

why did you change avatar

[fuzzybutternut]

Because I like Shiny Charizards. >.>
<.<

[Lord Mhork]

So are we back on?

[Amrun]

Broseidon, are your only scum reads PoE?

[RachMarie]

We are back on lost a few posts but this one was not too bad...

[ChannelDelibird]

Getting back to this a little later today, just posting to check in after the tiger attack.

[Saint]

unvote;
vote: cdb

[fuzzybutternut]

Getting back to this a little later today, just posting to check in after the tiger attack.

[Lord Mhork]

Saint, what do you think of BROseidon? Why is CDB scummier?