Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Andrius]

I might stop after D1, just so you know.
And I'm stopping now as my intellectual capacity is diminishing. /60

Yeah don't spoiler things.
DO THEY FIND THE BAD GUYS
DOES THE HERO GET THE GIRL?

[spinachattack]

OMG dude! I even gave her the post number...

If you can't see the correlation between the quoted statement in 3926 and my reply to it, then you are stupid town. That wasn't designed to be anything but blunt truth. So, I'll break it down for you so it's easier to understand, and you should take this from the pov of me seeing you scum at the time.

1. You say I'm totally cool with it because it makes you look even scummier.

2. I thinking you as scum, replied sarcastically that of course you're ok with it because a ML today along with 2 NK (if there are 3 scum left as I think everyone assumes) makes it a scum victory.

That you couldn't piece that together tells me you are VI.

[spinachattack]

I might stop after D1, just so you know.
And I'm stopping now as my intellectual capacity is diminishing. /60

Yeah don't spoiler things.
DO THEY FIND THE BAD GUYS
DOES THE HERO GET THE GIRL?

LOL! I won't give away all the

excruciating walls

excitement that looms ahead!

[spinachattack]

Oh, and the read gets better after D1 and goes much, MUCH quicker. D1 is like reading fucking Tolkien!

[spinachattack]

Wishy washy voting... what exactly I don't expect from spinach

And he can't possibly accuse Andrius for not dying as a Joat as he only claimed last day when varsoon lynch+ghostlin died

And somehow missed this part. Yes, I can, because he claimed BEFORE Sassoon was lynched. Then scum hit lame duck neighborless neighbor that appeared to be otherwise vanilla. Instead of going for the uber experienced claimed town PR. THAT DOES NOT COMPUTE!

[Metal Sonic]

Wishy washy voting... what exactly I don't expect from spinach

And he can't possibly accuse Andrius for not dying as a Joat as he only claimed last day when varsoon lynch+ghostlin died

And somehow missed this part. Yes, I can, because he claimed BEFORE Sassoon was lynched. Then scum hit lame duck neighborless neighbor that appeared to be otherwise vanilla. Instead of going for the uber experienced claimed town PR. THAT DOES NOT COMPUTE!

this is fair point and the only contradiction of the last day

howeever it is not DAMNING enough


it is incriminating but not DAMNING

[spinachattack]

I've got more; not just that. I have all day Sunday to put it together. Tomorrow and Saturday are probably going to be too busy for me to spend hours on an iPad at work given I sold 2 cars today. Friday and Sturday are always busier than Thursday.

You can look at the distancing on 1612 of Orc from Andy. He levels some accusations and never follows up on them.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 5.7

[2] Nachomamma8 (Ser Arthur Dayne, Metal Sonic)
[2] TiphaineDeath (BROseidon, Nachomamma8)
[1] Andrius (spinachattack)

[3] Not Voting (Andrius, GuyInFreezer, TiphaineDeath)

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-06-27 14:00:00)

[spinachattack]

On Andy. So it's much slower today than I speculated, so I decided I could at least be productive here if not at work.

175 purposely remove the direction in the quotes for BRO. What purpose is there in doing this kind of extra work other than for hiding stuff? Sure, he had some for Sven as well, but he left the redirect in the source quotes from Sven before breaking it down point by point. Don't like.

1114 same thing with Nacho. While he did the same with Varsoon, he referenced Varsoon's 210 while he broke it down sentence by sentence. Nothing of the sort on Nacho's posts though. Hmm.... He also speculated in his spoiler there being two scum factions. Not that analyzing flavor should be seen as a strong tell, it's interesting all the same. Also more associative on BRO and Nacho directly following his vote on Varsoon.

Still in 1114 [quote]Ok. Sheeping Nacho when it comes to reads on me is always a great idea.

If I'm scum he will know

, if I'm town he will know... almost always. [/b]

1133 from BnB speaking to Andy seems to be saying "and keep your enemies closer". I think they picked up on Andyscum and its was the reason for their demise N2.

1376 quoting RachMarie (again removes the redirect) where she puts him "definitely in her town bucket". I see this as a slip because it's totally self serving; does nothing at all for town.

Andy boldly claiming scum early
1114 I've done it before its quite easy
1138 Um you just claim scum.
Then they lynch you. gg
1376 False, you read enough into mine to hear about the "claiming scum" deal.

1381 associative to Orc. Triumvirate-is a political regime dominated by three powerful individuals. This after he speculated early about two mafia factions with no real reasoning other than speculation. Guess that wipes the Nacho and BRO associatives. Unless you interpret this as Andy calling Orc other scum. I don't read this as referring to the townbloc, though he did use the same term to refer to them.

1825 "But the guy I'm attached to I'll never be able to lynch. :/", so now he's JoaT ~and~ mason/neighbor. Also, why could he lynch him? Would that be because by that point it was probable for 2 lynch, leaving two on team red? It's starting to look to me like 2's miserable D1 play was just gambit to put their partners as far away from them as possible.

1662 from Nacho to BnB is interesting

More from 1825 "The best part of this is that Nacho is

guaranteed

to read me correctly, so when he says I'm town I'm town and I trust everything he says."

2212 though he has speculated multiball twice already, now that someone else has the same thought its no big deal and he chooses to gloss over it. Interesting.

2232 indicates BnB were onto Andy pretty strongly. I guess I should ISO them next to see if they picked up anything I've missed.

2263 says he's unemployed and out of school, yet recently he's been on a business trip which has consumed his time and that's why he hasn't been contributing. Interesting, but I could just be taking the purpose of his trip wrongly.
His response to 2 in the same post is just as interesting.
In fact, 2263 is one i think everyone should go back and read in detail.

2269 "You can infer a lot from only your role.". Yes, when you're scum for example, you know all the players who are against you, and when you see there's only three members on your team in a 20 person you can also assume multiball very early on...

I decided to just stop off here. I'm sure theirs more, but I've already used up 61% of my battery life on this and business is finally picking up. In all, I don't like all the reformatting of posts (look at his ISO and you will see what i mean other than the couple ive pointed out). I don't see where a town player would need to be deceptive like that. I also don't like how he came off

knowing

it was multiball so early on. He also explains that he crumbs everything as part of his meta, and the crumbs I'm seeing all look scummy. I have more people to dive to follow up to solidify some of the things I've pointed out. But as I said, the diving board is temporarily out of service.

[spinachattack]

Also, at this point in my read Andy can only be scum. If he's red, then Nacho is probably Red too. If he's Blue, Nacho is probably town. A mislynch is out of the question. Lynching Andyscum either implicates Nacho, or clears BRO and Nacho which either way will make the next game day easier.

[BROseidon]

GIF-Bro-SAD I want your updated scumlists, if you please.

You+SAD red MS=Nacho>GiF blue (a lot of uncertainty there, hence my vote on you and my stated willingness to switch to SAD).

Nothing is really changing for me right now. I don't think SA's case on Andy is strong and he should get off it and get back on a good wagon.

[Nachomamma8]

Why are you being so goddamned helpful? X_x.

I'm just a very helpful person.

Nacho's 3615 is feigning ignorance, I do not like this. Scum scummity scum want a mislynch, always, and you know that.

Scum don't want mislynches when there's 1 scum, 1 opposing scum, and 1 town. Always is a dangerous word to use.

3682 is twisting my words to his own purposes, do-not-like.

In your eyes, I am Red. MS is Blue scum. SAD is not my buddy. Thus, SAD is town. How is that inaccurate?

3737 is where nacho's stubbornness really crosses the line from reasonable to unreasonable. I've addressed this like five times and he still wants me too. This is also when I get the inkling that something is off with my read on him as red scum.

You were saying that removing a nightkill is better because removing a nightkill is always better. I was trying to get you to explain that logic, but you never did.

(which made me think they were strategic crumbs placed for a cover).

He's known for strategic crumbing, so the claim itself doesn't surprise me at all. We're also expecting a protective role in this game (considering the strongman), and he's a protector, sooo. He'll become townier if we manage to flip something like a ninja, but as for now, it's a claim that makes perfect sense within the setup.

this breaks my self imposed ban but
nacho
kindly explain to spinach
what happened the last game we were in
and how on top of that i was

I'm waiting for you to catch up.

It's a game and it furthers your wincon and it takes out someone who aparently knows you better than the rest of us.

She doesn't know him better than the rest of you. I know him better than the rest of you. This was mollie's first game with him.

I really think TD is town

You can explain this, especially keeping his latest responses in mind.

[TiphaineDeath]

I feel that Nacho ignored my entire wall X_x.

Waiting on SAD scumreads.

[spinachattack]

GIF-Bro-SAD I want your updated scumlists, if you please.

I don't think SA's case on Andy is strong and he should get off it and get back on a good wagon.[/quote]
Nah, I'm firmly where I should be. And I will finish unless there's a quicklynch. Or do you want to claim an investigative role? Sorry you can't see what I see, but Andy isn't town.

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(which made me think they were strategic crumbs placed for a cover).

He's known for strategic crumbing, so the claim itself doesn't surprise me at all. We're also expecting a protective role in this game (considering the strongman), and he's a protector, sooo. He'll become townier if we manage to flip something like a ninja, but as for now, it's a claim that makes perfect sense within the setup.

It's a game and it furthers your wincon and it takes out someone who aparently knows you better than the rest of us.

She doesn't know him better than the rest of you. I know him better than the rest of you. This was mollie's first game with him.

He can't be THE protector and JoaT at the same time. Diving his meta last night showed me he crumbs scum too, and how he does it. It's really pretty damned effective to be so open. It plays just like BBB (or at least my understanding of how BBB worked) and I would have never thought it would work that well.

Thanks for that. It seemed they'd played a few games together. Are you ready to firmly clear yourself, btw?

[spinachattack]

...formatting

[Nachomamma8]

I feel that Nacho ignored my entire wall X_x.

I didn't respond to your SA post because I didn't really like it and it doesn't change my perspective of either of you that much. But if you're talking about the problems you had with me in your wall... You might want to read a little closer.

It's really pretty damned effective to be so open. It plays just like BBB (or at least my understanding of how BBB worked) and I would have never thought it would work that well.

Right, he crumbs like crazy regardless of alignment. Do you think this was a gambit he thought of from the get go?

Are you ready to firmly clear yourself, btw?

I'm less concerned with being cleared than getting the rest of our days sorted out. It's important that we figure out the game today; if not, there's much more room for fucking up. So sell me on your Andy case a bit better.

[TiphaineDeath]

My problems with you no longer matter due to my problem with spinach.

[spinachattack]

It's really pretty damned effective to be so open. It plays just like BBB (or at least my understanding of how BBB worked) and I would have never thought it would work that well.

Right, he crumbs like crazy regardless of alignment. Do you think this was a gambit he thought of from the get go?[/quote]

Yeah. And don't worry, I'll finish up. It'll be Sunday though. It takes way too much time to do from an ipad.

[Nachomamma8]

My problems with you no longer matter due to my problem with spinach.

But obviously I didn't ignore your wall.

[TiphaineDeath]

And thank you for making that fact clear, I feel much better about it now.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'll be out till Sunday. After that I think I'm gonna re-analyze spinach slot again. And then TD.

[spinachattack]

Ooohhhhh! Ok, Nacho I'm picking up what you're throwing down now. Ain't I dumb.

Are you available for a quick chat?

[GuyInFreezer]

Me?

[spinachattack]

No GiF. Nacho.

[GuyInFreezer]

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