NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[Rift Adrift]

On a scale of Stevie to Nero, what end is the towncred I get for voting Stevie at?

Why would you even ask about your towncred?

[T S O]

Exactly.

[Nero]

Exactly.

[Rift Adrift]

Exactly.

Then what prompted your question?

[T S O]

An urge to troll lightly.

[Zdenek]

KingCrabd:

Dear Orci: Your read on Shadi is wrong

Sincerely, Cabd

No but seriously, this is his town meta, my goodness. It’s blindingly obvious. Go metadive him.

Explain yourself.

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 1-6

(as of Post 780)

Shadi1337 (5)

- orcinus_theoriginal, T S O, StubbsKVM, Baby Spice, TheIrishPope

StevieT92 (5)

- BROseidon, Nero, Zdenek, The Goat, BulbaFenix

BROseidon (3)

- Ankamius, ProHawk, Brian Hollywood

Doc Holliday (2)

- Calcifer, Rift Adrift

Zdenek (2)

- StevieT92, DOMO

Nero (1)

- Doc Holliday

Mac (1)

- dramonic

dramonic (1)

- KingCrabd

The Goat (1)

- TMTOLBTWNTOF

Calcifer (1)

- Serene

orcinus_theoriginal (1)

- Metal Sonic

Not Voting (1)

- Shadi1337

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch

Deadline:

Wednesday, July 3, 2013 at 3pm Central Time.

Replacing:

No one

Prods:

BROseidon (ongoing)
Doc Holliday (ongoing)
Brian Hollywood
TMTOLBTWNTOF

V/LAs:

DOMOJune 24

[EddieFenix]

@Shadi

Dramonic
ProHawk
Serene
The Goat (or this slot since it will soon be replaced)
Ankamis
Domo

[BulbaFenix]

@Mod

Sorry. Posted from my OTHER profile by mistake.

@Shadi

Dramonic
ProHawk
Serene
The Goat (or this slot since it will soon be replaced)
Ankamis
Domo

-Fenix

[BROseidon]

Catching up now. Ugh this game snowballed out of control.

[BROseidon]

Ignore what I said about BRO being hard town, I wasn't looking at time stamps.

How do the timestamps make me look scum?

This might just be an idealistic difference but why would you be talking to someone who you think is a VI

To figure out if they have scum motivation behind their VI-ness.

Why should this change anything

Nacho pointed out that something I thought was scum-driven was likely just meta-driven.

Okay how the hell is this 'other site' info factoring into your reads

The hating building a town-block part is no longer a reason I find him scummy. I stated my other reasons.

Why is a shit case null, to you

There is both scum motivation (pushing a bad lynch) and town motivation (getting reactions, forcing content) to a bad case. Hence null.

I wanted to policy lynch lurker in BSG for the same reason. Dramonic is not getting night killed. He is not going to be of any asset to town while alive. Keeping him alive is also not going to aid our read on him because we can't read him.

So we're going to lynch dramonic sooner or later, and since we gain more information and better reads (theoretically) by keeping your scumreads around for one extra day, I would suggest that the optimum move right now is to policy dramonic.

what do you think

What would be your opinion of waiting to PL him until day 2 to see if we have a vig that can just shoot him?

I think his "fear" of scum manipulation sounds fake. Maybe I just don't get it, but scum will do what he is afraid of regardless of my idea or not.... so?

In what way is it being afraid to point out that your plan is bad?

Reaction testing is a bullshit excuse. I've always held that if you can't tell me what you've learned through your reaction test, it's not a reaction test, it's just a scummy thing that you did that you're trying to wiggle out of.

This. Also not liking the way Shadi is jumping in, posting shit that doesn’t interact with anything, then going away. Also, what follows from Orc is really solid. Orc is a townread.

lol, people calling me terrible is fast becoming my favourite scumtell.

What scum motivation is there for people pointing out when your logic is bad?

If Shadi flips scum I want to lynch the fuck out of Serene. Actually Serene is just pissing me off generally giving off reads with no real scumhunting or content.

Bro's even joining other games, so town read cancelled

Joining other games because other than this one all of my other games are moving fairly slowly/winding down. This one I never got caught up in because I fell behind a good bit and didn’t have time to catch all the way up.

Okay, that’s all the specifics for now.

VOTE: Shadi

I don’t like the way Shadi refuses to give reads or interact in the thread in any way that is not defending himself. Seriously reads like scum trying to get away with posting what seems like content but actually isn’t.

Liking Calcifer/Rift/Orc for town. Like TIP but less so, will probably just sheep ffery/Nacho/Syr with respect to him. Liking Zdenek a lot for town as well. I think I like MS for town, but I am much less certain in that respect. Also think Nero is more likely town than not. Still suspicious of Stevie and Doc, and also suspicious of Serene for coming in and being disruptive to everything that was going on. But yeah, I think Shadi is the best lynch right now.

[BROseidon]

Also, does anyone have any idea why mafiascum would be logging me off every time I try to add a quotation to my post? It seriously made that catchup take like 2x as long as it should have >:C

[Calcifer]

VOTE: calcifer

I love you too, orcinus.

give names preferably I cannot be bothered with a full reads list.

Why not?

calcifer I'm still reading as town, but serene's reason for voting is certainly noted.

Do you agree with it?

Oh and I think stubbs is looking more of recent.

I agree.

Calcifer has entered the thread-not as an uninformed townie-but as one who knows more.

I always enter threads as if I know more. The head that's played with me before should know that.

A plan that his hydra buddy is not on board with.

The dissonance shrines forth from his true self.

Do you really think it's that important to sync up in the RVS? I certainly don't.

he will be looking for potential chasms and weak spots in town's infrastructure.

What do you think of Shadi?

No but seriously, this is his town meta, my goodness. It’s blindingly obvious. Go metadive him.

Talk to me about it.

^ I can see this slot as scum

So can I!

I'm tired of trying to explain and no-one is backing me up. No point in continuing a lost cause, I suppose

see this here

this is scum too

Nope.

Dear Crabd, Would I be able to catch you as scum by looking at your scum game? Or would it look eerily like your town game? Hmmmm....

Is all you have to comment on Cabd's town meta read of Shadi...? Even though you don't want Shadi to get lynched...?

Also, does anyone have any idea why mafiascum would be logging me off every time I try to add a quotation to my post? It seriously made that catchup take like 2x as long as it should have >:C

That also happens to me sometimes. No idea why.

[Rift Adrift]

What do you think of Shadi?

I like that you responded to that post with a tangent that leads directly to one of the big questions currently on the table.

Leaning town.

Could be some residual guilt involved. I replaced out of a game over an issue with the mod. Was so pissed I didn't post an update on my reads, and left him to the tender mercies of kuribo who eventually replaced into my slot.

But, despite his stance in that game, which does ring all sorts of objective-scum bells, I got a sense of town motivation out of it all eventually.

This game has more noise and he's being attacked from more directions, which makes it a little harder to tease out the motivation from his posts, so my town read is tentative.


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28496

[BulbaFenix]

On a scale of Stevie to Nero, what end is the towncred I get for voting Stevie at?

None .

What do you think of Shadi?

I like that you responded to that post with a tangent that leads directly to one of the big questions currently on the table.

Leaning town.

Could be some residual guilt involved. I replaced out of a game over an issue with the mod. Was so pissed I didn't post an update on my reads, and left him to the tender mercies of kuribo who eventually replaced into my slot.

But, despite his stance in that game, which does ring all sorts of objective-scum bells, I got a sense of town motivation out of it all eventually.

This game has more noise and he's being attacked from more directions, which makes it a little harder to tease out the motivation from his posts, so my town read is tentative.


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28496

For me, it's his (Shadi) want to form his reads with other reads. Not in a "buddying" sort of manner, but in a sheep like manner.

-Fenix

[Rift Adrift]

You're reading Shadi as town because of a sheeplike manner wrt forming reads?

You're reading Shadi as town because of a sheeplike manner wrt forming reads?

[BulbaFenix]

You're reading Shadi as town because of a sheeplike manner wrt forming reads?

You're reading Shadi as town because of a sheeplike manner wrt forming reads?

Specify query.

[Rift Adrift]

For me, it's his (Shadi) want to form his reads with other reads. Not in a "buddying" sort of manner, but in a sheep like manner.

I was trying to quote this, and reflect it back to see if i understood it.

Are you reading Shadi as town?

[KingCrabd]

On my way home from the bar. Nacho/Calcifer/people who care, if you're on we can talk shadi when I get to a computer.

[BulbaFenix]

For me, it's his (Shadi) want to form his reads with other reads. Not in a "buddying" sort of manner, but in a sheep like manner.

I was trying to quote this, and reflect it back to see if i understood it.

Are you reading Shadi as town?

No. I am seeing him null/scum right now.

-Fenix

[Rift Adrift]

@Mod

Sorry. Posted from my OTHER profile by mistake.

@Shadi

Dramonic
ProHawk
Serene
The Goat (or this slot since it will soon be replaced)
Ankamis
Domo

-Fenix

What is this?

[BulbaFenix]

@Mod

Sorry. Posted from my OTHER profile by mistake.

@Shadi

Dramonic
ProHawk
Serene
The Goat (or this slot since it will soon be replaced)
Ankamis
Domo

-Fenix

What is this?

^^ This is a response to this vv

Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.

I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.

you're not getting it.

You say you don't give reads-I prove you wrong by quoting your "more or less " town read on kingcrabd
Then you say the reason why you did post that read is because kingcrabd was "extremely towny" at that time.

That does not make sense because you posted "more or less". If you thought he was "extremely towny", you wouldn't have posted "more or less" towny. You telling him it was built up does not make sense either, because I'm talking about 1 post. Sure, it's possible your town read on him improved later, but you never mentioned that again.

I'm not saying people can't be wrong. But you're trying to defend yourself using a false argument.

You're piling up the contradictions and you keep defending them too.

Read my post again pls, not gonna repeat.
You say it's not possible that I got a stronger town read of him later, yet you say it is??

I'm not defending myself on a wrong argument, I told you I'm guilty as charged for forgetting that one read.

What I'm defending is that my read became different later, if you're gonna keep on your vote for that. Be an idiot, and be my guest being an idiot.

Whether or not your read became different later on is irrelevant, because we're talking about the time of the post.
Call me an idiot all you want, you're just not getting my point.

I'm tired of trying to explain and no-one is backing me up. No point in continuing a lost cause, I suppose

It is not, and yes you're an being an idiot.
And maybe noone's backing you up as it's not that strong, and/or have stronger reads. Also a human act you don't seem to accept.

Dear Orci: Your read on Shadi is wrong

Sincerely, Cabd

No but seriously, this is his town meta, my goodness. It’s blindingly obvious. Go metadive him.

My goodness, why don't you actually SHOW us the game you're referencing instead of wasting your time making a pretty box?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28000 (my first game on site btw) I don't really see why Cabd thinks I'm that strong of a town, but then again he read my ass pretty fucking well in this game and with that I don't mean alignment as Cab was scum but my thoughts and future actions. He hasn't yet seen me as a confirmed scum to say what my town meta is and not, although I guess it's a similar feeling I have with him now but this time I'm reading town.

Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.

I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.

you're not getting it.

You say you don't give reads-I prove you wrong by quoting your "more or less " town read on kingcrabd
Then you say the reason why you did post that read is because kingcrabd was "extremely towny" at that time.

That does not make sense because you posted "more or less". If you thought he was "extremely towny", you wouldn't have posted "more or less" towny. You telling him it was built up does not make sense either, because I'm talking about 1 post. Sure, it's possible your town read on him improved later, but you never mentioned that again.

I'm not saying people can't be wrong. But you're trying to defend yourself using a false argument.

You're piling up the contradictions and you keep defending them too.

Read my post again pls, not gonna repeat.
You say it's not possible that I got a stronger town read of him later, yet you say it is??

I'm not defending myself on a wrong argument, I told you I'm guilty as charged for forgetting that one read.

What I'm defending is that my read became different later, if you're gonna keep on your vote for that. Be an idiot, and be my guest being an idiot.

Whether or not your read became different later on is irrelevant, because we're talking about the time of the post.

Now hold on. Someone changing their mind or getting a different vibe from a player is quite common. I noticed what Shadi has done and he's not getting off the hook that easy.

Call me an idiot all you want, you're just not getting my point. I'm tired of trying to explain and no-one is backing me up. No point in continuing a lost cause, I suppose

But, neither are you. For me, you sitting here trying to make a case from the timing of his posts is a terrible argument to try and make a stand on. Complaining about no one backing you up on it doesn't help your case against Shadi either.

Shadi

, your case is a very piss poor one too. Firstly, how does you not giving reads and forming them through other reads help any case you're trying to make right now? I'm willing to accept the fact that you are human and therefor are susceptible to error as far as your posting issue goes. But, from a player stand point, you trying to use other reads to form your own reads REEKS of something scum would do.

As of now, besides Crab, who do YOU

Shadi

have where in your reads? And don't give me this "I don't have reads" bullcrap either.

@MetalSonic

Why the vote on Orc?

-Fenix

As I said earlier pls give me names then I will give a few reads. I don't really understand why reading other people's reads and form your own out of actions and possible groups is scum, I can see why scum would do it but I really don't see why it's a stupid villager move. Isn't that how most wagons and such start?

He said give him names and he will give a few reads. I'm now waiting to hear his response.

[Shadi1337]

Granted, I kinda forgot I gave a read on Krab and therefore stated I didn't give any reads so I'm guilty as charged there and contradicted myself. Reason for the read in case anybody cares; He stood out extremely town to me in this game

Your reason for the "more or less towny" read is he stood out extremely town.

That's exactly what it says.

That is not exactly what it says. I meant reason for the current read.

@Shadi

Dramonic
ProHawk
Serene
The Goat (or this slot since it will soon be replaced)
Ankamis
Domo

Woopsie wrong account

@Mod

Sorry. Posted from my OTHER profile by mistake.

@Shadi

Dramonic
ProHawk
Serene
The Goat (or this slot since it will soon be replaced)
Ankamis
Domo

-Fenix

That's better, now let's get at it.

Dramonic

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Voting history:

Calcifer #49
unvote to vote on Mac #105

Posting history:

#49 votes on Calc with no explanation why, could be some proddodge and or kind of rvs but it's a bit late as post #49.
#105 again a vote without any explained reason
#139 "ofc crab, ofc" as in a way of defence to Krabd's vote which was based on him just doing nothing
#149 same as #139
#169 States he's starting to get town reads
#236 Asking if people are serious in this type of game (normal).
#318 Trying to say he won't change his (condescneding) behaviour.
#323 A joke regarding his not contributing behaviour
#458 I dno wtf this was an answer to, cba looking but doesn't look interesting
#734 Says what Serene meant by her (imma say her as iirc it's what the profile says) post saying we should prioritise lynching the mafia rather than counting them as we won't really get an answer.
#736 see 734

Conclusion:

Now on one hand the dodging situations and crappy town performance might lead to him being scum. It could also mean he's very uninterested town. He seems to be generally uninterested in the game so it could very well be the case. All in all I think he's leaning

scum

, he hasn't placed a vote since ever and all his posts haven't contributed to the game one bit. At least as it stands he's completely useless for the townies.

Prohawk

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Voting history:

#176 Shadi
#317 unvotes Shadi to vote KingCrabd
#393 Unvotes KingCrabd to vote BROsideon

Posting history:

#7 Requests that RVS stops
#8 Announces he has a better plan than RVS
#10 4 people idea vote commenced, a bit scummy but not as strong as I saw it. It is a bad idea in a way because scum can always somehow pick the same name.
#18 Questions why the idea is bad.
#21 Defends his plan and says it's a WIFOM based game so plans have to be like that as well.
#176 Goes a bit fuckall and says he receives a shielding scumvibe from me and therefore places his vote on me
#184 still argues for his plans and explains the shieldvibe on me
#317 Unvotes on me for agreeing that I was wrong, votes on Krabd for having a vote on a null read over a scum read and being more silent than he was at first. States his full agreement with #262 and therefore wouldn't oppose a BROseidon lynch.
#384 States that he wants more votes on Krab because of his vote
#393 Bases his vote due to meta with BROseidon on him due to that not being his response not being his meta-town-like-him.
#662 Doesn't feel like catching him and states his inability to get a feeling with the players as he hasn't had any experience with him and keeps his vote.
#667 Explains his vote is due to Bro's unusual amount of fear for scum manipulation
#671 States that he's not in harmony with Denek's opinion
#673 Shows his loath on the hate on his aforementioned 4-people-idea.
#763 States he doesn't want a lynch on me, says that Bro's wagon is dying due to his absence and questions Cabd whether he should be judged from his meta or not.

Conclusion:

I think he's

town

as it seems like he retracts opinions if there are good arguments against and stays with his votes if he has good arguments for or disagrees. It shows general town behaviour due to the possibility of influencing. The only thing that takes him down a bit was his "RVS idea" but it's far from enough from going
on his ass

Serene

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Voting history:

Calcifier #666 666 what a evil vote

Posting history:

#638 Announce arrival and commencement of analysis.
#646 Saying that revealing the heads would say too much about them and they'd get lynched (implying that those 2 are players we should fear)
#649 Announces fear of death and reason for not disclosing hydra heads.
#652 read list but no reasons
#664 gives reasons for read because "she's" good at it?
#666 Claims to vote on him to restore harmony, yet no real reason why the vote would bring that result.
#672 Says she's sure Irish is town and is basing her vote on Calc for voting on Irish whose alignment is town. In addition to that he supported the 4-man policy lynch and called it insane. Therefore sees Calc as scum
#677 States she's happy with Dramonic's starting behaviour, or rather votes, but it was less pleasing when he began targeting her own town reads.
#678 Vaguely says that Zdenek's reads are accurate and scum are disagreeing. I didn't get the last part.
#710 #2 Hydra head announces arrival and comes to my rescue but also states she hasn't read the entire thread, yet.
#728 A comment about motherly love(?) in response to #727.
#730 Sets a priority to lynch rather than calculating mafia member amounts.
766 Announces that one head sees Mac as scum due to his meta behaviour and being tired of being scum and also asks if Bulba replaced Mac.
#767 One head reads me as townie but the other doesn't, calls me an village idiot and therefore townie.
#768 Disclaimer that it's the head that hasn't caught up and promises a united read tonight.

Conclusion:

It's difficult as they both have totally different reads. It seems like the entire hydra is good at setting priorities and going on decent leads. She interacts and reads a lot, for now she's

leaning townie

to me but I'll have to see with the united read which should hopefully be around the corner. Although as a side note she seems to stay concise and gets straight to the point although this might come out a bit vague. She is very steadfast that Calc is scum.

The Goat

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Voting history:

Stevie #366

Posting history:

#254 Announces his acknowledgement of the thread's location and/or the game start. Saying he's busy and will catch up later but that Steve already caught his attention with his pushing and omgus vote. And questions Nero's scum kills
#366 He mentions TSO and Metal bicker a lot and that it's difficult to get reads because of that. His initial read on Steve withstands and thefore he places his first vote on him and hasn't removed it as of the time I'm typing this post.
#461 Seems confused because of Brian's behaviour on his claim.
#655 Mentions a lot of minor problems coming in his way and thus his reason for inactivity.
#764 Looking to be replaced

Conclusion:

His unawareness of the game start and vote on Steve weren't too shabby if he had continued to play I'd probably be leaning town on him. But because he got off so cheaply my read is still a

null

on that slot.

Ankamius

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Voting history:

Nero #14
Unvote Nero to vote BROseidon #108

Posting history:

#14 RVS vote on Nero and claims to not wanting to follow the 4-man plan
#28 Explains why he thinks the idea is dumb
#41 Says he might see what Zdenek is seeing in Irish but it's not enough for a scumtell
#108 Gives a small readslist and votes on Bro who is the only he sees as town and Irish seems to stand out of his town list as "bad town"
#135 Explains that he thinks TIP is town but if he lives for long he needs to be lynched due to being a distraction
#145 Check #41
#147 Comments on the self-vote but not sure what it is due to the situation being unlike the time he did it himself
#148 Disclaimer that #147 was directed to calc
#225 New reads list with a few reads but this time they are somewhat explained
#249 Check #41
#250 Announces Stevie is scum but FoS
#259 Wants more votes on Bro
#262 Explains why he thinks the 4-man-idea is very bad and why he thinks Bro's posts are terrible.
#277 Says Bro should die first followed by T S O or Stevie
#279 lols at Rift saying he's bussing his buddies
#282 Speaks his opinion of the slot that tunneled him and explains why that vote was retarded.
#288 Saying that if you haven't noticed that things are thrown at him you haven't read the thread
#294 Stating he's annoyed.
#328 States he's the only one who has a justified vote on Bro and if not then at least the most recent one. And why T S O's reason to see him a scum is awful and gives a situation where he was proactively thinking of LyLo and now TIP could bring harm at that point and that "Mastin" can confirm it. He says he'll come back to Calcifier later.
#329 Says it might not have happened anyway but that he should still be null on it
#333 Disclaimer for #329
#338 Argues why Stevie is scum
#341 Says thanks to a hbd greeting
#375 States he doesn't like Domo's full read posts but that he's town
#379 States why he doesn't like full reads posts
#381 Strengthening #379
#462 States his reaction on Brian's scum claim
#501 Claims the scumclaim gave him a townvibe
#685 Speaking of a past game that I cannot be bothered to check for.
#746 Check #685

Conclusion:

Town

, his votes, arguments and reasons are often backed up and he uses arguments forth and back and explains why he does the actions he's doing. He is not too easy to influence and is very determined about his votes which made me wonder but there's the aforementioned point with that he always explains his situation very well. He seems to be very steadfast about lynching Bro and sees Bro as strong scum and that part of him never wavers.

DOMO

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Voting history:

TMMT #211
Unvote #368
BRP #480
BRO #481
zdenek #654

Posting history:

Hokay these guys have a fuckton of posts so imma keep the comments/analysis even shorter...

#167 Claims to request replacement if his second hydra head doesn't pop up and that he has no one really standing out that much yet.
#186 Questions Prohaw's intention ebhind voting me and why me and not the rest as well
#211 Saying TMMT's posts are starting to look more "fluff" although his intention is that they look less Fluff and votes on him as well
#310 Claiming to have had family problems and is now catching up.
#311 Signs the post above
#312 Calcifier and zdenek town, scumread on bro and weaker scum reads on stevie and tip
#313 Signs the above post
#360 Claims to be in agreement with his other head and apologises for his absence and says he'll stay from now on
#368 Unvotes and gives a large null/scum list and says he prefers a doc or bro lynch the most but needs to talk with his other head so keeps a non vote until then.
#370 Says Nero feels good except for one of his posts he questions MS's no claims and therefore has an alarm on him
#376 Unfunny comment
#377 Questions why anka doesn't like full posts
#378 Signs his above post
#380 Starts to see how full list reads may help scum
#387 Notes his gut feelings on Bro
#400 Explains his read on Calc and Ank to be town.
#401 signs his above post
#421 Explains his notes nad reasons why he stated his notes
#422 signs the above post
#480 Tries to vote bro and agrees with MS's read
#481 Successfully votes bro
#487 Defines "good" and asks if anything is compelling
#496 Argues against the average chance and asks Metal Sonic for some read(s)
#516 Meta question...
#518 lol
#519 meta talk
#521 more meta talk
#549 Starts seeing Zd more as scum than before or rather less town, sees Orc as town
#552 Explains of his cautiousness of voting on people he reads as town
#554 Explains which wagons he'd be ok with (bro doc and zdne) and says he gave up on his other head and doesn't mind "random" voting patterns too much.
#564 Explains his view on that ragequit
#577 Heavily makes a barrage of attack questions to Zdenek. Also blames possible terrible gameplay on weed and old meta which I don't really like too much.
#578 Asks Stubbs why he votes nero
#581 Doesn't like the Nero wagon
#583 He can see why people are voding zde
#584 Sticks to bro but can shift to doc if that's where the votes go
#590 Elaborates his reads in a good way and shows doubt and is honest and saying the reason why he might think something although it doesn't seem like the case. Sticks with his preferred lynch targets
#592 Question's ff'as meta
#594 Joke about hydra and avatar
#597 Response to an above post
#599 Talking about an ongoing game so tries to end the convo
#601 Town read because of activity due to him being hyper-active as scum
#605 Feels like people on the nero wagon could very well be scum due to that being an attempt to divert attention from the wagons he sees as town-motivated wagons
#609 Claims that they could be orking together (bro, doc, stevie and stubbs) then he says fuck it they are actually all scum.
#613 BRO = doc > stubbs > stevie is his list from strongest left to right weakest
#615 Says orc dropped a couple of towncred points
#619 Explains he cannot read dram yet
#621Thinks MS is more interested in the game than he usually are in other game(s) and TSO's hydra questions feel like they are just reasons to post
#626 Possible lynch but weak for now.
#632 Thinks Stubbs is scummy for focusing on the nero wagon while only giving 2 town reads or so.
#633 Question's why orc sees Irish as scum
#639 Sees a good post and agree to some arguments Stubbs used in the post and asks for Serene's hydra heads.
#654 Thinks Zdenek is oblivious because he thinks that he hasn't explained the vote on bro throughout the game.
#702 Comments on some of the events that happened (while having a hangover) says he doesn't hate the wagon on me but he's satisfied with his vote so keeps it there. Reads both Calc and Serene as town despite one voting the other. Wants to note that people are forgetting bro and doc and therefore votes are splitting.
#703 Comments that Stubb is looking more town recently
#704 Typo fix
#738 Rev going v/la

Conclusion:

Probably one of the most genuine

town

reads I have. The people he sees scum are very likely to be scum and he holds his cases and gives in in case it's needed or people argue why they shouldn't be voted on (you can clearly see that when he retracts his vote from Stubbs) What I saw a bit weird was him asking who Serene was the heads of, does that imply you know everyone else? It seems a bit like a plot to get Serene to say what she said so Serene had a reason to stay she feared revealing for getting killed. Am I being too paranoid and crazy right now?


I spent quite long on this post, much more than I anticipated to use... oh well I hope it doesn't go to a waste.

[Metal Sonic]

^this is good shit


please do a read on Stevie, your counterwagon



and dramonic seems scummy too, just to put my vote somewhere useful


VOTE: Dramonic

[TheIrishPope]

So, when we lynch Shadi, we can use that list to find his partners
And people, don't quote fucking walls