Newbie 1393 Game Over

[notscience]

Yo DDP, loving that avatar of yours

Lets get some RQS going (Random Question Stage)

1)(To those who haven't stated so) What is your time zone?
2) Have you ever played Mafia before? If so, on what medium and how many games? (irl, another forum, etc)
3) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
4) What would your feelings be on a no-lynch?


My Answers
EST
Yes, I have 4 finished games on this site
Town :>
I don't like no-lynching

[Feel It]

1)(To those who haven't stated so) What is your time zone?

GMT.

2) Have you ever played Mafia before? If so, on what medium and how many games? (irl, another forum, etc)

This is my second game on here.

3) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?

Scum seems more fun, no luck this game though.

4) What would your feelings be on a no-lynch?

Depends on the circumstances, but would usually be against it.

[Smudger]

My time zone GMT +4
Have played about 7 games of mafia before and am currently in 5 games, 4 on this site and 1 on another site which is where I picked up the bug.
I like playing both as town and scum really, have no real preference.
Against it when town for it in certain circumstances when scum, but not near game end - mylo/lylo

[Dessew]

Yo DDP, loving that avatar of yours

Lets get some RQS going (Random Question Stage)

1)(To those who haven't stated so) What is your time zone?
2) Have you ever played Mafia before? If so, on what medium and how many games? (irl, another forum, etc)
3) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
4) What would your feelings be on a no-lynch?

2) I have played irl but those games have been decided at night, most of them haven't even had VTs.
3) In my rl games I prefer scum.
4) No no-lynch first day, that's all what I'm sure about.

[HopefullyCynical]

Yo DDP, loving that avatar of yours

Lets get some RQS going (Random Question Stage)

1)(To those who haven't stated so) What is your time zone?
2) Have you ever played Mafia before? If so, on what medium and how many games? (irl, another forum, etc)
3) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
4) What would your feelings be on a no-lynch?

1) Pacific time zone!
2) I have never played Mafia on a forum before, just started playing some Werewolf recently. Only two or three games.
3) I like both, I think doing well as scum is much trickier but more rewarding.
4) I don't really like no-lynch, I feel like it's wasting a day phase. Even if we whiff a lynch we still get information.

I'm looking forward to playing with you guys! I see some bandwagons but I'm going to be monitoring the thread and will post later tonight.

[Dessew]

I thought there would be new posts when I woke up.
Anyway, all we have are some RQS and a wagon on Smudger he doesn't really care about.
notscience voted for DDDP because he's the IC. His vote might be random but maybe he's just afraid of the IC, either because he's scum and DDDP isn't or because he's town and thinks that it's better to have a dead IC than to have scum IC.
FuDuzn joined the wagon, or he's also editing every one-line post for three minutes and his vote is random or the IC-thing. At leat he didn't write that voting for the IC is the best.
FI made a random vote.
mvm joined the Smudger-wagon.
notscience hopped in the Smudger-wagon.
Smudger hardly react to the wagon and places his vote on FI, because he started the wagon, I guess, although it was just a random vote.
I wanted to vote for Smudger but then he would've been on L-1 so I choose notscience because his first vote wasn't sympathetic to me. This vote is not doing anything here so
VOTE: UNVOTE
Z7-numbers hasn't done anything yet, I hope he will contribute a lot to the game but now he has nothing to comment on. He voted for DDDP.
DDDP explained what IC's do and then voted for FuDuzn, random or an answer to the wagon on him.
notscience started some RQS, I have nothing to say about it, yet.

VOTE: VOTE:DDDP, maybe we get some interesting results.

[notscience]

So you have a runthrough there.

Okay, tell us who is scum and who is town based off of that.

[Dessew]

There hasn't been enough activity to have complete reads. Your actions have been the most pro-town so far because you wanted to start discussions a few times (it's the third attempt). Smudger hasn't given a decent answer to his wagon, it really annoys me. But so far there have been no scummy nor townish behaviour. (Or I'm just lame)

[notscience]

Why did you say I've been the most pro-town yet then say there's been no scummy nor townish behaviour?

[Dessew]

Because you have been the most active player and it is pro-town imho. Yet, this is the first real discussion of the game, all we have had are random votes, random questions and a wgon with a very stupid outcome.

[notscience]

1)Activity=towniness, Content>Activity
2)My issue was you said I was the most pro-town player yet then said there was no scummy nor townie behaviour, which kinda contradicts itself. How can I be protown if there has been no townie behaviour?

[Dessew]

1) If we don't have activity, there won't be any content. Even if your post didn't have any content, it does tell a lot about you, give information to us thus it's pro-town.
2) I think you may be scum but your actions are helping us so your behaviour is pro-town right now. We have only 35 posts so posting IS pro-town, although it's not a towntell.

[Dessew]

It's something like the one-eyed among the blind.

[notscience]

You think I may be scum but I'm the most pro-town person atm

Wat

[Dessew]

It just means that there haven't really been pro-town behaviour in this game.

[notscience]

But you called me pro-town, and then say there hasn't been that behaviour. If I'm pro-town for any reason, there has to be behaviour to back it. You said I was the most pro-town, yet you think I could be scum.

It's like when you're asked if a dress looks nice on a woman. You don't say "Yeah, only it's kinda ugly"

[Dessew]

I think I see the problem. I used these words in these meanings:
pro-town: somewhat useful for the town. For example when there is low activity, posting helps town ergo it's pro-town.
townish: seems to be townie (not scum).
I agree that mostly they mean the same but with so few posts it's different now imo. If you're scum there can be several reasons why you want to post while there's no activity but you are helping town because we get some information.

[notscience]

If I'm being useful for the town that means I'm trying to help town :L

I'm curious to hear other responses to this debate.

[FuDuzn]

I had this post ready to go literally just as the site crashed, thank God I copied it before it crashed:

Veg, your reason isn't random but you didn't really give a reason why you voted me.......and then asked me why I wasn't commenting on your vote......which gave no reasoning.

And know you are basically making up things.

VOTE: Veg

[FuDuzn]

Actually, oops!

That post was supposed to be for another game.......

Mod plese remove post 43

Sorry, just so excited to post again!

[notscience]

God damnit we lost a lot of responses. People, post opinions on mine and dessew's debates.

[Feel It]

Woah, got pretty scared at the site crash!

God damnit we lost a lot of responses. People, post opinions on mine and dessew's debates.

I think what FuDuzn means is that any posting activity at this point is helpful, but just because you do so it doesn't make you town?

[notscience]

Is helpful to who?

[Dessew]

Since mafiosi already know about one another and only they and PRs have any 'extra' information, high activity is useful to town. (You know, uninformed majority - informed minority)

[Smudger]

There hasn't been enough activity to have complete reads. Your actions have been the most pro-town so far because you wanted to start discussions a few times (it's the third attempt). Smudger hasn't given a decent answer to his wagon, it really annoys me. But so far there have been no scummy nor townish behaviour. (Or I'm just lame)

Really what more would you like me to say, please don't lynch me, how scummy is that?

No my response is as I said how could you all, and notscience has not answered my question I see. maybe there was an answer but it got lost in the crash, so if you did could you answer again please?


with regard to the question from notscience and this debate with Desew, while the comment is strange and there is a contradiction in terms with the statement made by Desew. I would hazard that it could quite possibly be a mistake, but the squirming by Desew that then ensues is questionable. Activity levels should not be used just to gauge a players' alignment as there are some very confident players who can be either town or scum and maintain very a very active presence in a thread. That said though, it would is again have to be judge against each of you and your experience, therefore IMO Desew looks the more suspicious primarily because of the backtracking, but this could be attributed to a lack of experience?