Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Titus]

Do you have the page before that Yessiree? Yes I replaced Rika.

I had posted all my scum notes. I don't want to recreate them but I will if necessary. Short version...

Nobody's Special, Dr. Pepper and Yesirree all seem scummy on one level or another. However, Yes and NS seem to be on different teams. Bob is a null read, which scares me. Is Yes flips scum, Bob is likely his scum ally. If Yes flips scum, then NS and DR. P are likely scum IMO.

[DoctorPepper]

Comments: I find it ironic that Bacde says Pebro is fence sitting when he himself does this ("I dont like a yessiree lynch", "Ahh im coming around to the idea of a yessiree lynch"
Pebro, look into PIRATE MAFIA, Mafia on the Shore for my town losses and The Half Baked Curse to see if there is any difference in my town games

[DoctorPepper]

Welcome Titus, thanks for reading me as town when I was scum and scum when I am town. I dont get your state,ent. If yes is scum, then Bob is his ally but if hes is scum then its also me and NS?

[Titus]

This was in my notes but got lost. Also, I made a typo. If Yes is town, then you and NS are likely scum. Obviously, there are not three scums, and context should have alerted that there was a typo.

I'm starting from the position that Yes and NS are on opposing factions. Given the degree the pair have tunnelled each other, this is likely true.

Therefore, if Yes is scum (probably true), then NS is likely town. Bob then is likely Yessiree's ally halting the lynch and the pair are generally sheeping each other. The last vote count I saw had both Yessiree and Bob as the only two voting someone... but I cannot remember who that was.

If Yes turns up town, then NS is likely scum. Your posts at the end seemed sheepish. Also, I cannot see why you made a big deal over a question. The whole reason the group wanted to lynch me at the start was asking questions about site meta. You jumping on that train seems more opportunistic than reasoned. A few of your posts seemed to try to send the implicit message NS is town, without directly stating such, almost as if you're trying to subtly manipulate the group.

[Titus]

The whole reason the group wanted to lynch me at the start of our first game was me asking questions about site meta. I find it odd you jump on a single question and call it a scum slip, Dr. P.

[Titus]

Comments: I find it ironic that Bacde says Pebro is fence sitting when he himself does this ("I dont like a yessiree lynch", "Ahh im coming around to the idea of a yessiree lynch"
Pebro, look into PIRATE MAFIA, Mafia on the Shore for my town losses and The Half Baked Curse to see if there is any difference in my town games

At the time Bacde posted he was coming around, I made the case that whatever Yessiree was we'd gain significant information on who was scum. That's not sheeping but changing one's mind.

Unvote

(I think Rika had a vote and I want to make sure it's off because it wasn't on Yes).

[DoctorPepper]

I never said it was sheeping, I said it was weird he called someone out for Fence sitting. Anyway, had I jumped on the train? There was 1 vote (yours) before I had voted, if I was as opportunistic as you say I am, I would have hammered the L-1 wagon right now, but I havent now, have I?

Was it not a scum slip when someone says they dont know the exact win condition of the town???

[DoctorPepper]

I havent given a statement on NS, yet I also havent given a statement on Rika, CDB, JKM, and Pebro. Your associative tell doesnt make sense. Also, what makes you so sure that NS and yes are going to flip differently, this implies that at least one of them is scum, when it could actually be possible that a town vs town is happening.

[Titus]

Dr. Pepper, a scum with one game underneath knows that hammering opportunistically and cutting the day short is a fast route to a lynch. Again, look what happened to James May in our game.

Bob seems to be new here. He didn't know whether he had to live or not. It seems to me, upon reading this, that Bob was wanting to know if he'd win even if dead or just the living town members would win. This type of question is the exact reason we have ICs and SEs. It is also why we discourages the self-voting Yessiree did. I'm not saying that the statement wasn't a scum slip, but I wouldn't call it one yet either. I'm 75/25 against that being a scum slip.

Fence sitting + sudden vote changes pretty much is the definition of sheeping. Yeah, you didn't use the word sheeping but you pretty much called Bacde a sheeper.

I'll grab and bold the posts that I felt were manipulative coming from you. I would recommend you put together a statement though.

[Titus]

Not knowing the exact win condition still feels like a slip to me. Even as scum, you know the town win if you lose. Simple as that, my vote stays.

I should make a catch-up post since evryone here posts while I am asleep. Fuck the no walls thing, I have school in a few hours.

JKM, you said that everyone suspecting could be scum latching on to him in 302 but its probably not the case, by virtue of saying that youre calling everyonre suspecting yes as being town? Then aside from yes, who is his partner, if you think yes scum = bob town, which I have no idea how that association was made. Also, by you stating that what you said was said by everyone else, is the parroting I was talking about.

I just loooove how yes calls JKM's above post laughable because its full of attentional and interpretive bias when his posts have been the same damn thing

"Lynch NS for being a bad player"

"Bacde, you seem to be good at hunting" - buddying
"Yo Bacde, how you gonna respond to that?"

Also yes, cockiness isnt a scum tell but cut it out and earn it.
And why self -vote? Because the suspicion of gene wore off when he did it? Now granted, you diodnt have as many votes for you at that time compared to gene, so it maybe isnt one of those tactics, but self voting is only valid if youre scum and only if its a self hammer to devoid town of information. SO why self vote?

"NS will win the game for me?" - I find no town motivation in this post, the fact that you had to say me instead of us, kinda shows a self interest which is anti-town in itself. Are you playing for town or are you playing to survive?

JKM, why would you think they are bussing?

CDB's vote is weird, JKM asks why isnt everyone voting for yessirree, then one post later he votes for yessirree, and after yes's self vote. Does the self vote make him scum? But anyway, do you think Bob is town now?

323 "I say we found a whole in your logic." I could see this as newb scum saying "Me and my partner found a whole in your logic"

Its ironic you called NS for tunneling

Bacde, a lot of people say NS is scum. You think he is town, but you've doubted it because you've never thought of him as town? So whats different? Also by saying this are you saying he is "too towny to be town"?

I've never played with NS and I think he's town in this game.

So Bacde expresses suspicion of yes's self vote, then says you dont like the wagon. What?

NS's reasons for why yes is scum and yes's reasons for why NS is scum are both playstyle tells. SMH.

Pebro: "I dont think jumping wagons is necessarily scummy" while voting for someone who jumped a band wagon after asking yes why he suspected that person. Fishy.

I highly doubt NS and yes are scum together, nobody busses day 1 in newbies unless one is at L-1.

Bolded the parts that made me think... wait a minute, this post is a subtle defense of NS.

Also, it is POSSIBLE that Yessiree and NS are both town. I find it very remote. A) The tunnelling, B) Yessiree's self vote C)The inability of both of them to work with the group at large.

[Titus]

I'm out for my night. I'm in the US. I will be back tomorrow. If anyone has any questions, or wants me to recreate my longform post, let me know and I will when I have the opportunity to do so.

[yessiree]

Also, it is POSSIBLE that Yessiree and NS are both town. The inability of both of them to work with the group at large.

LOL this made me laugh, I was planning on a avatar bet with NS so he can have himself a manly man avatar.

But I know NS will chicken out anyways so...

[Pebro]

I got the last few pages in the browser cache, I know there's a service where you can upload plain html, but can't find it. Can anyone give a link and I'll upload it later today.

Gotta go now.

[Nexus]

Also, it is POSSIBLE that Yessiree and NS are both town. The inability of both of them to work with the group at large.

LOL this made me laugh, I was planning on a avatar bet with NS so he can have himself a manly man avatar.

But I know NS will chicken out anyways so...

Avatar bets are against the site (and probably my) rules. This is your one and only warning.

[yessiree]

@Pebro post the html of OLD page 17 here and I will upload an image of the entire page

p-edit:

[ChannelDelibird]

Just posting to check in after the tigers attacked the site - more later today.

[JKMatthews]

Ok, so Titus is clearly town.
And makes a good case against Dr Pepper, who I've been a little bit unsure about...

While yessiree still just seems insane to me, I can possibly believe that he's just that - insane. Mayyyyyy not be scum. And either way, if he's not getting lynched today, my vote is just sitting stagnant and wasted if I leave it on him.
So, let's see where this goes

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DoctorPepper

[Pebro]

Old page 17

[Pebro]

Oops, I intended to have it in spoiler tags.

[DoctorPepper]

Titus, you claim that I made no stance on NS, yet in your bolded part, one sentence says " I've never played with NS and I think he's town in this game." So one, how is that a subtle defense of NS when I clearly stated I think he is town. Thats a misrep. So, I get where youre getting at that me saying (or "subtly implying" like you have been saying) that NS is town could make you think Im scum if you think he is scum. In fact, this statement is in itself ironic because while you call me out for defending NS "without officially giving a stance on him" (lies, BTW), you pretty much attack everyone on Bob, "subtly defending him" while you call him neutral. If youre intent on calling people jumping on Bob scummy, then Bob isn't neutral to you at all.

You're wrong about me.

Why?
1. You say I'm opportunistic, yet if I was truly opportunistic, I would have hammered yessirree by now. But you say that "Dr. Pepper, a scum with one game underneath knows that hammering opportunistically and cutting the day short is a fast route to a lynch. Again, look what happened to James May in our game." See, the difference is, I've already asked for a claim and declared intent to hammer whereas James May pretty much hammered without a claim. (for those of you interested Newbie 1372 is here, I was scum with Titus as town). The thing is, I already had approval to hammer, but I didnt because I was more confident of Bob scum than yes scum. So if I was really that opportunistic scum, I would have hammered and likely not have faced consequences for it (the only exception being if he was scum, then I'd get shit for not hammering him). But im not scum this game.
2. Im not being anal over someone asking a question, I truly believed he slipped. Here's the thing, if someone says "they dont know the exact win condition as town", its possible that as new scum who received his first role PM, he wouldn't really know the win condition of the other side now, would he? Unless he read the sample role PM. Now, yes its possible for him to have really thought that people can win even with death, but im not leaving out the very real possibility that he slipped. The difference between you in our game and Bob this game is that 1) your "scum tells" were literally meta tells that I wouldn't lynch you for as twon where as what Bob said felt like a slip. 2) This might be self-meta but I defend lynch bait players as scum to gain their trust (which is what I tried with you that game). Different scenarios, dont match similar conclusions.
3. I already explained the opportunistic part
4. I did reveal a read on NS, and you say that this alone makes me scum, however Bacde also stated NS is town and also wants Bob lynch and is also willing to compromise with a yes lynch, yet he reads town to you even if you say that you think his jump on Bob is either opportunistic or that he labels him as scummy. So how am I not labeling him as scummy and you only consider that I could be really opportunistic?

So I think this is carry over from 1372 and you really dont trust me cause I manipulated you all as scumzzies. Also fence sitting is not sheeping. Sheeping is literally acting like sheep and following people around with no rhyme or reason.

So Titus, care to explain why you defend Bob even if you dont call him town? And you say a yessirree lynch is most beneficial yet dont vote him? (or at least state intent to or anything?)

[DoctorPepper]

Also, it is POSSIBLE that Yessiree and NS are both town. The inability of both of them to work with the group at large.

LOL this made me laugh, I was planning on a avatar bet with NS so he can have himself a manly man avatar.

But I know NS will chicken out anyways so...

Avatar bets are against the site (and probably my) rules. This is your one and only warning.

Out of context but Majiffy and Nachomamma made an avatar bet, I dont think its illegal actually

[Nobody Special]

It is actually against Site Rules, now stop arguing with the Mod.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Titus, you claim that I made no stance on NS, yet in your bolded part, one sentence says " I've never played with NS and I think he's town in this game." So one, how is that a subtle defense of NS when I clearly stated I think he is town. Thats a misrep. So, I get where youre getting at that me saying (or "subtly implying" like you have been saying) that NS is town could make you think Im scum if you think he is scum. In fact, this statement is in itself ironic because while you call me out for defending NS "without officially giving a stance on him" (lies, BTW), you pretty much attack everyone on Bob, "subtly defending him" while you call him neutral. If youre intent on calling people jumping on Bob scummy, then Bob isn't neutral to you at all.

"You can't think I'm attacking Bob for stupid reasons because you don't have a town read on Bob."

[DoctorPepper]

Not what Im saying, thanks for the misrep scum.

[Titus]

@JKR, I think Yessiree is at L-2 now and that we can hammer if we want. If the day is close is close to ending.

My issue is that being the hammer on a mislynch isn't the problem. It was that James May cut off days of conversation. You would be doing the same and pretty much announcing your scum status. You would hammer but closer to the dead line.

I am not attacking everyone on Bob, in fact my former account was on Bob. Saying there's not enough info for me to vote someone is not attacking everyone who did. I also don't have to know Bob's status to see a scummy vote on Bob.

Grabbing the post where you refuse to give an official stance on NS.