NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

ffullisade · Post Post #4050 (ISO) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:40 pm

what are reads now desp?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4051 (ISO) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:48 pm

Mollie fails <3

I trusted you as you were/are my highest town read. I figured we were in a similar boat to you and Fery. I was mistaken and it hurts when a strong town read just turns on someone like that. Yes, but see this is a lot different because you have meta on both Mara and I and we play a lot together. This game isn't one of my scum-games, but as I said you just flipped. It wasn't really you flipping that bothered me as so much what happened before you did it. You stated okay we are a weak town read (fair enough - I understand that) and that you wanted to talk to us to get a better read. Before we could even speak to you - you accused us both of lurking while bringing up Skype against us both. You woke me up the following morning and I said I was sleeping so it was most likely I was still sleeping, but as I said you didn't put that into perspective. Once I posted and made the '>.>' you flipped hardcore. I get really, really annoyed at people in general when they nitpick over my personal habits. This is exactly what you did. You said my personal habit is a relative-scum tell (which it's not). I can't change something if I do it all the time in random online conversation. Don't expect me to change either.

These are the tells you keep brining up against us:

•'>.>'
•lurking
•being calm
•aTe

All of which are done regardless of our alignment.

I never had that and I don't go to cold stone so probably will never have it.

The ATE meltdowns weren't a joke and they weren't a trick to get all the votes off of us. I was frustrated at everyone. I was frustrated at Mara too and I wanted out of the game. I wasn't happy with you and it affected my mood overall. Yes I wanted to replace out and yes Mara talked me out of it, but yes I still want to replace out, but I don't want to leave Mara alone to clean up after a mess I helped create.

You said you wanted to talk. Lets talk before I go to bed. You got 10 minutes since I might sleep once this episode is over. If you reply then ill watch another one and you'll have my attention for an hour.

Desperado · Post Post #4052 (ISO) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:52 pm

Everyone I listed in that town block is town for me + Rena if her claim bears out

AK, Thad, Seanald, cephrir, peregrine are scum reads

Hd and slandaar lean town, penguin leans scum, and I'm still working Nero out. Just finished a game with town Nero that was going concurrently so I will probably lean on that.

ISO · Post Post #4053 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:30 am

The thing about that case is that Seanald can't be bluescum because Rena or penguin is already bluescum. Aside from that though, it's solid and I will consider pursuing that avenue tomorrow/if this wagon falls apart.

Desperado · Post Post #4054 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:39 am

And if the blue team is 5/6 with an SK?

And I'm but at all convinced at Rena/penguin over Seanald fur last blue anyway. Link me to those cases

mastin2 · Post Post #4055 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:29 am

Ninety-First Votecount

:

(Twenty-Fourth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "New day, new page." votecount.

)

Amethyst Kitty - 4 (Kublai Khan, Cephrir, Seanald, ffullisade)

Nachomamma8 - 4 (Nero Cain, Bacde, PeregrineV, ThAdmiral)

Nero Cain - 3 (Nachomamma8, Bulbazak, CrashTextDummie)
PeregrineV - 2 (Slandaar, penguin_alien)
ThAdmiral - 1 (Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Seanald - 1 (Desperado)

All votes are in play.

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
ArcAngel9 is V/LA until Wednesday, Jun 19th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 162, post 4025.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

PeregrineV · Post Post #4056 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:23 am

In post 4052, Desperado wrote:Everyone I listed in that town block is town for me + Rena if her claim bears out

AK, Thad, Seanald, cephrir, peregrine are scum reads

Hd and slandaar lean town, penguin leans scum, and I'm still working Nero out. Just finished a game with town Nero that was going concurrently so I will probably lean on that.

See, I like the seanald vote.

Vote: Seanald

However, you think your own neighbor is scum, and both me and ThAd are also scum?

And thoguhts about CTD, neighbor to Slandaar?

<<< What's with you people and double-posting? All the same, deleted. >>>

Bacde · Post Post #4057 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:23 am

That would be funny if bluescum was our only scumteam

Desperado · Post Post #4058 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:39 am

In post 4056, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4052, Desperado wrote:Everyone I listed in that town block is town for me + Rena if her claim bears out

AK, Thad, Seanald, cephrir, peregrine are scum reads

Hd and slandaar lean town, penguin leans scum, and I'm still working Nero out. Just finished a game with town Nero that was going concurrently so I will probably lean on that.
See, I like the seanald vote.

Vote: Seanald

However, you think your own neighbor is scum, and both me and ThAd are also scum?

And thoguhts about CTD, neighbor to Slandaar?

I don't really care about the neighborhoods. For all I know you and Thad are scum together and are just claiming that you're a neighborhood.

Being in a neighborhood, as far as I know, is not alignment indicative whatsoever, so yes, I think my neighbor and both of you are scum at the moment.

And CTD is firmly in the town block.

Seanald · Post Post #4059 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:14 am

UNVOTE: AK

the vote wasn't personal AK, i just have a self-made zero tolerance rule for people freaking out, its just unnecessary, but you've explained your self well and back in mah town reads.

Desp I understand your case on me, but I honestly thinking your reaching for connections, you could probably go through the whole player list and do exactly what you did on me to everyone else, or even make the arguement that those without any interactions with bluescum what so ever are most likely blue scum, its all just not very concrete.

I was also surprised to see this case just randomly pop up from you, after you were saying I was likely town. maybe saying that spurred you to Iso me and take a second look which I can see, but considering your my neighbor I'd rather us work together on things,

so what questions do you want answered from me? or how can we work this out together because your a pretty concrete town read for me and I don't want to see the extra communication we get go to waste, even though we've probably been wasting it up to this point lol.

mastin2 · Post Post #4060 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:13 pm

There's plenty to load, but not nearly as much as there is to

Lock

. (Be back in a bit.)

mastin2 · Post Post #4061 (ISO) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:07 pm

The issue has been resolved, game continues.

I'll push deadline back a day to compensate.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #4062 (ISO) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:18 pm

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4063 (ISO) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:50 pm

In post 4062, Kublai Khan wrote:So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

No.

mastin2 · Post Post #4064 (ISO) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:00 pm

Thanks to the time locked, deadline was pushed back a day, to July 2nd.
Thanks to site downtime, deadline was pushed back two days, to July 4th.
Thanks to that being a primary American holiday, deadline's pushed back to July 5th.

That should be plenty of time.

Also, obviously, no prods will be going out for at least three days, potentially longer until the inbox issue is resolved. (For that matter, don't expect me to be using PMs any time soon--if the issue has to be resolved manually, that's over 2,000 PMs I have to delete, and that takes time I currently do not have.)

ThAdmiral · Post Post #4065 (ISO) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:54 pm

In post 4058, Desperado wrote:I don't really care about the neighborhoods. For all I know you and Thad are scum together and are just claiming that you're a neighborhood.

That would be the best scum play of all time.

--~~--

Ok Imma try and sort out my reads.

Will not lynch:
pere
cephrir
kk
bacde
bulb
ffulisade

Happy to lynch:
seanald
slandaar
desperado
nacho
penguin

Will look in to:
haylen
aa9
ak

killing at night:
crashtextdummy

Slandaar · Post Post #4066 (ISO) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:45 pm

In post 4053, Cephrir wrote:The thing about that case is that Seanald can't be bluescum because Rena or penguin is already bluescum. Aside from that though, it's solid and I will consider pursuing that avenue tomorrow/if this wagon falls apart.

How is Rena Bluescum again?

anyways

VOTE: ThAd

Lets lynch this guy hes not town.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4067 (ISO) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:32 pm

In post 4039, Desperado wrote:
In post 4034, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 4032, Cephrir wrote:I don't know why you would be surprised that wagons aren't taking off when they're on players most of us consider town.
It was a general thought. The faster the wagon I have seen earlier in days are normally on town unless there's a huge town block (not seeing a town block this game)
In response to this, as long as you're willing to accept individual members of the block to suspect one another (and you should, because that's healthy), then bacde/nacho/fullisade/bulbazak/CTD/kublai khan/arcangel is a damn formidable town block. I personally have no problem with any of them right now.

No. town reads =/= town block. you can have town reads, but if none of them work with you, and work with your other town reads then...

right now, I see Nacho, mollie/Ffery, and CTD as the town block ATM

I personally want to work with Nacho, Mollie/Ffery, and Bacde. Nero and Angel both work out well

those 5, along with CTD are the town reads that I'm happiest about and will probably not change but I would be hesitant to call them a block.

Khan is my favorite scum-read ATM

Mollie, I apologize for calling you stupid, though I don't like having what I think to be my two worst scum games (popcorn and Hard-boiled) and my worst town game on site (Polygamist) being used as a meta-point against me.
that, combined with the fact that you flipped from weak-town to full out scum before we could even speak to you and when we promised that we will talk to you when given the time to irritated me and not being able to do much about it sucked.

what do you think of the points I stated about Khan?

specifically, the setting up mis-lynches, his response to that, how he tries to deflect from that being used against him, and how the battle between us started?

I would like answer to the above from Nacho as well.

and Nero.

In post 4062, Kublai Khan wrote:So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

lol.

~Mara

Slandaar · Post Post #4068 (ISO) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:00 am

Why would Khan be setting up mislynches in multiball?

Doesn't make a lot of sense.

ISO · Post Post #4069 (ISO) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:37 am

Since apparently no one reads my posts. Now every time someone asks me why I suspect Rena and PA I am just going to link this post unless something new comes up. It has been a while since some of these things have been said but I see no reason they should be any less valid.

In post 2956, Cephrir wrote:De ja vous. Here you go, AK.
In post 1799, Cephrir wrote:It's hardly just a lurker lynch. Have you read his posts? Mindless bandwagon hops, total uselessness, and even manages to contradict himself despite never saying anything useful. (One post he's not sure what he thinks about me, a couple posts later he votes me with no explanation). I don't actually understand why he's been allowed to get away with making posts of "Vote: x" and nothing else, and if I recall correctly both times were sheeps not of the largest wagon but of the most recent vote above his. How can you sound more like you just want to lynch anyone but you than that?

In post 1410, thezmon221 wrote:Alright, so now I'm going to wrap up this post with this:
VOTE: fuzzy

I don't like your overall mentality with the game at this point. You've been really dodgy this game. I don't find any value in any of your posts. Your reads are safer than OS's information was. Gut read? Really. Develop something. Try. Have AP Exams? Cool story bro, so do I. In fact, I have an exam on Thursday. You don't see me dodging the game and making useless third-party comments.

I feel fuzzy's gone unnoticed, and you should all notice him through my post. Cephrir's confrontation with him was a start. Oh, and I want a reads list from him too.

In post 2842, Cephrir wrote:
In post 144, fuzzybutternut wrote:Tbh: I have a hard time reading Ceph.
It's not that he's not likely as scum. It's that I don't see him as scum.

Ryu, hmm. Now THERE is a likely scum if I ever saw one.

Don't want to vote him just yet though. Ryu, what do you have to say to this?

In post 153, fuzzybutternut wrote:.....................damn it, Ryu.

That's just too cute.

In post 185, fuzzybutternut wrote:What?
I don't want to lynch Ryu.
Haven't looked into every possibility yet but for now,

VOTE: Haylen

In post 3446, Cephrir wrote:Buddy analysis, part I: thez posts

In post 1410, thezmon221 wrote: MAFIA:
[fuzzybutternut,
Oversoul
,
EddieFenix
,
Thor665
, Om The Destroyer, Baby Spice, Hanzo_5]

Oh, and I felt I should address this:
In post 1371, Hanzo_5 wrote:
@Thezmon

Your reasonless list is nothing but filler. To paraphrase you, you said "Hey im here and im doing stuff, Im not done yet so it looks like im not doing anything".

Im bringing this to light because I see it as fluff and everyone else should too.

I dont know why your fluffy. But I dont care for it. Your life no linger matters to me. Plz fix that.
It's too bad I don't care. Maybe you should try putting something non-fluff yourself instead of calling out other fluff. My post had more content than yours. Your recent posts don't do much justice for you IME either.

Alright, so now I'm going to wrap up this post with this:
VOTE: fuzzy

I don't like your overall mentality with the game at this point. You've been really dodgy this game. I don't find any value in any of your posts. Your reads are safer than OS's information was. Gut read? Really. Develop something. Try. Have AP Exams? Cool story bro, so do I. In fact, I have an exam on Thursday. You don't see me dodging the game and making useless third-party comments.

I feel fuzzy's gone unnoticed, and you should all notice him through my post. Cephrir's confrontation with him was a start. Oh, and I want a reads list from him too.
Fuzzy isn't in much danger at this point, so entering the game with a vote on him isn't too dangerous if they're buddies. I've been voting him for some time at this point and it's evident that's going nowhere fast. Also, it's not like fuzzy is worth keeping around as a scumbuddy anyway. This scumlist is interesting, and we'll compare it to his final one (after he's clearly getting lynched) later.

In post 1435, thezmon221 wrote: PEDIT:
Cephrir wrote:Are you seriously suggesting this is a bus of Nacho before Nacho has even flipped? Not to mention that anyone would ever bus this hard? =/
The Nacho wagon does have a lot of townreads on it, and the RR wagon really has the opposite. That's the most important point in its favor for me, but I'm still not convinced. What I am convinced of is that most of the voters on that wagon believe what they're saying, and maybe that should be enough reason for me to get on it as an admittedly bad scumhunter, but it still isn't. That's just not how I vote.
Who is bussing Nacho? If you're saying that the RR wagon is a bus, then we have greatly differing definitions.
He claims the RR wagon isn't a bus... would he do that if he knew it was? I don't know. Though this was a misunderstanding, it's worth noting nonetheless.

In post 1611, thezmon221 wrote:
In post 1602, CrashTextDummie wrote:Thezmon also rubs me the wrong way. He's all "your points are good, but I need just
a little bit
more to get me to vote him". It feels forced. He hasn't expressed a town read on Nacho, so I don't see why the existing arguments shouldn't be enough to turn him into a scumread. Nor why he's not rereading Nacho himself to figure out if he's a good lynch. Right now it looks like he's just hedging his bets, hesitant to join the major wagon in the game. I did have a scum read on his predecessor which probably makes me biased when it comes to reading his posts, but this looks plainly scummy to me.
One-two viable points and an ass load of meta is not good enough for me. I don't need a "little bit" more, I need a decent amount more.

Sure, I haven't expressed Nacho as a town read, but he isn't necessarily a scum read either. I like my vote where it is right now, and nobody's been able to provide a solid case for me. Bacde has just sputtered out a point periodically among the "VOTE NACHO VOTE NACHO HE'S NOT TOWN HE'S SCUM META META META" crap.
Stand-in for a bunch of posts like this one. thez does a lot of soft-chainsawing of Nacho, like a *lot*. I think this is white-knighting, as the connections between them are too damn easy to draw. But the opposite isn't entirely out of the question.

In post 2231, thezmon221 wrote:
In post 2181, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:But a Nero lynch is better. C'mon Nacho.
Have you shown why you think Nero is scum? If so, could you redirect me? If not, could you tell me? It seems like a novel, and maybe slightly random, read.

You know, I was about to really be on board with the Baby Spice lynch. Her post #2197 was truly terrible, as pointed out by Syry. Like, I had written out my vote as well as my reasons for the vote, only to then see her rage-replace vote. However, the frustration she inhibited and her replace out makes me want to wait for penguin to post some stuff for us since we still have a bit under a week.
Now, *this* is how you don't vote for a scumbuddy.

In post 2931, thezmon221 wrote:
CrashTextDummie wrote:You were a scumread yesterday.
Your Red Ryu interaction analysis feels extremely surface to me
(for example, you have thezmon as null when his one interaction with Ryu, an opportunistic vote on him by Mac, pretty clearly indicates they're not scum together) so I went looking for mentions of Red Ryu in your ISO and you look like a good bet for being his buddy yourself. You started out wavering on him and having him as null, then moved him to "officially scummy" when he started emerging as a counterwagon to Nacho's without contributing your vote (you were sitting alone on B&tB pretty much for the duration). You then gradually shifted him back down your list of suspects (he was a "question mark" among players on Nacho's wagon) for no discernible reason other than he wasn't posting much. In hindsight, you singling him out for "mindless Nacho pushing" bugs even more, because his attack against Nacho was more confusing than anything else in my opinion and only really obvious as a scum play to his scumbuddies.
Exactly what I thought. It sounds like an easy attempt by Cephrir to get some cheap towncred for something that is actually not very beneficial and shows very little ACTUAL depth of analysis.

Bacde just shot up in scumminess with me. His recent push on Nacho is so terrible. Not really sure what the point of him claiming vig is to me. It sounds like a panic and perhaps a cover-up for a tracker seeing him kill someone. It also sounds like another terrible way to frame Nacho in a bad light. Like, seriously. Even if he really is a vigilante, why is he mad at Nacho for the roleblock?
My analysis of RR was pretty surface, but it's interesting nonetheless that his scumbuddy tried to dismiss it and make the idea that my analysis sucked more of a town-wide opinion rather than just CTD's. Perhaps I was onto something after all?

In post 2939, thezmon221 wrote:
In post 2938, thezmon221 wrote:
Cephrir wrote:@thez: Do you really think bluescum would bus today? they lost one already and it's multiball.
True, I forgot about that. However Haylen's
death and flip as bluescum
wouldn't clear you as town, mind you.
Oops, that's what it should say.
I've already pointed this out but I may as well point it out again. If you make this slip-up and Haylen isn't your scumbuddy you probably don't care enough to correct it.

In post 2965, thezmon221 wrote:
Kublai Khan wrote:Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?

CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???
Reminds me:
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.
Oh? Are they?

thez wrote:
And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.
He claimed to be RBed by Nacho's party.
Who uses this phrasing if they are a member of Nacho's party?

In post 3247, thezmon221 wrote: SCUM:
Haylen
ThAdmiral
Om the Destroyer
Desperado
Cephrir
Amethyst Kitty
At this point thez is pretty clearly going down. penguin_alien has disappeared compared to the original scumlist for no discernible reason. Desp, AK and myself have appeared on it, also for little discernible reason.

And now to comb through everyone else's posts.

In post 3739, Cephrir wrote:Buddy analysis, part deux

Again I'll be ignoring my overall town/scumreads to what extent I can.

CTD- Light suspicion of thezmon early D1 and (lol) said he was "clearly not scum with RR". No conclusion.
Nacho- has thez as 'strong town' early on, later votes him. Could be blue.
PV- nothing
Nero- not much interaction, but among the earliest thez voters. With RR dead, I don't think there's any chance blue would have voted him until his death became inevitable. So I'm giving Nero a free pass.
Bacde- ahahahaha no
Bulb- not much interaction
Desp- big argument with thez + myself about essentially nothing. I don't think thez would have gone this far attacking his scumbuddy.
PA- defended thez after his claim; end of 3279 sounds potentially like someone who helped thez craft his claim (doesn't see the glaring issues with it, possibly wasn't paying attention when thez botched it). Likely partner, because if you're PA, who is widely suspected and grade A useless, if you're scum with only thez, your only play is to try to save him.
Sland- Light scumread on thez eventually, suggests lynching him long before anyone else does, which I would think was possibly safe bussing except he then presents a somewhat compelling if brief argument. Good point wrt those who were on the wagon and got off, I'll keep that in mind.
Sean- nothing, shocker
ThAd- Maybe-fake rage about thez's continued survival (this is after his death is inevitable). Also that one Hanzo post. Analysis today based on the premise that scum must have bussed thezmon is kind of bluey.
Rena- fuzzy and thez has a small but pissy argument about his activity level (frustrated scumbuddy?). Rena asked someone why they were voting thez at one point and then never mentioned him again.
KK- initially hesitant about Bacde's case but ultimately becomes an early voter.
AK- has thez listed as town, but doesn't know why. Not sure I see the scum motivation is jumping on thez then immediately jumping off because they apparently needed to ask me a question.
ffull- effectively an early voter
Om- Defended thez after claim with suggestion that he should live for now. Don't like it.
AA9- suspected thez early; his explosive reaction = not scumbuddies.

Likely thezmon buddies

p_a
ThAd
Om
Nacho
Rena

Unlikely

Bacde
Desperado
KK
AA9
ffull
Nero

No conclusion

CTD
PV
Bulb
Sland
Sean
AK

Considering thezmon's posts and both of my blue lists, I conclude that the most likely blue scum are Rena, Penguin, Om, ThAd and Slandaar.
Bacde, Nero, Kublai and AA9 are pretty much clear of being blue in my book.

But I'm not completely closed to considering other possible bluescum connections if they're actually persuasive. I recognize that I can be wrong seeing as I usually am. But this also means that I'm more open to hunting redscum (which, again, I didn't really want to bend my personal efforts to yet because I'm more confident in my ability to scumhunt by association, even though I have never actually caught scum either way) as long as these two are alive and unlynched, since there doesn't seem to be anything I can do about it.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #4070 (ISO) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:24 am

VOTE: Seanald

for poor reasonings..

penguin_alien · Post Post #4071 (ISO) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:31 am

ArcAngel9, which poor reasonings?

Slandaar · Post Post #4072 (ISO) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:33 am

Ceph you think bluescum have a watcher with their ninja?

ISO · Post Post #4073 (ISO) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:40 am

I think it's very possible.

She could also be lying, though the no result on Bacde would be incredibly ballsy.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #4074 (ISO) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:51 am

I don't know if a lynch is warranted on Rena just yet. Just because there was a ninja and she was a watcher doesn't mean she's on the other side of multiball. She could be town because town has to have PRs to counter scum PRs. We also don't know if there's a red scum team or if its just a SK. We are going on assumptions and assumptions are bad for the town.

(Ps Mastin can you delete my post above. My phone flipped a shit and posted when I wasn't ready)

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