In post 476, Bacde wrote:I actually thought rikablu was town, and I had a pretty good townread there, so I'm surprised by DrP's attack on titus and vice versa.
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VOTE: Yessiree
Let's see what happens here
IDK, at first I thought you were like "I'm confused why person A is arguing with person B, so I'll vote for person C instead", but then I had an AHA moment.In post 479, Bacde wrote:What doesn't make sense about it?
What is your aha moment?In post 481, yessiree wrote:IDK, at first I thought you were like "I'm confused why person A is arguing with person B, so I'll vote for person C instead", but then I had an AHA moment.In post 479, Bacde wrote:What doesn't make sense about it?
Scum wants their partner to be perceived as town. Yet they cannot be so wedded to the idea that their partner is town to where they cannot bus them. Subtle pre emptive defenses work best especially if their partner is suspected.In post 483, Pebro wrote:@Titus[deleted post 444], I don't have strong reads on you, minor towny on Bacde. Bacde is asking questions and showing thoughts. Rika made some sound logical posts, but nothing that makes me get a strong town/scum feeling. On your part I'm a bit confused by the subtle defense of NS from Pepper. I wonder if scum subconsciously calls their partner town. I would think they want to avoid that.
JKM, could you try to explain your weird feeling with Pepper?
Bicephalous Bob, what's your top 3 scumlist?
Exactly how is it clear, especially when Bacde has expressed an intent to want a yes lynch before? And Titus, ending the day early is not scummy. I dont know how many times I have to say that.In post 480, Titus wrote:Seems pretty clear that Bacde is trying to change his vote to see who will hammer or push for one.
NS pushed for a fast lynch which shuts off additional scum hunting, in my previously stated opinion, that's scummy. I am willing to hammer if a better target doesn't emerge but I have my reserva tions given Dr. Pepper's explosions and faulty reasoning.
Titus, look at the duration I've been at L-1 before JKM unvoted.In post 482, Titus wrote:What is your aha moment?In post 481, yessiree wrote:IDK, at first I thought you were like "I'm confused why person A is arguing with person B, so I'll vote for person C instead", but then I had an AHA moment.In post 479, Bacde wrote:What doesn't make sense about it?
Can you post your reads in case Dr. Pepper or someone else hammers to early?
If we are all smart, we can have the equivalent of last wills.
What is the duration of the length you (Yessiree) are at L-1 supposed to show me? (Non-aggressive tone) I think if the group decides on a target fast then having them sit at L-1 with a hammer person is a good manuever.In post 487, yessiree wrote:Titus, look at the duration I've been at L-1 before JKM unvoted.In post 482, Titus wrote:What is your aha moment?In post 481, yessiree wrote:IDK, at first I thought you were like "I'm confused why person A is arguing with person B, so I'll vote for person C instead", but then I had an AHA moment.In post 479, Bacde wrote:What doesn't make sense about it?
Can you post your reads in case Dr. Pepper or someone else hammers to early?
If we are all smart, we can have the equivalent of last wills.
I certainly think DoctorPepper has been over-reacting from the exchanges between him and you. Whether or not that's a scum-tell or over-confidence - I can't come to a conclusion yet because all them fucks sitting on my wagon are lurking.
And DoctorPepper, can you do a wall on your case on Titus/Bob team because the exchanges are scattered all over the place, would be good if you can organize it.
DP admits his reasoning is illogical.DoctorPepper wrote:Its ironic you call me out for faulty reasoning when your reasoning is illogicalas well.
In post 491, DoctorPepper wrote:Certainly. I have class in a few hours so it wint be long and it doesnt need to be
Rikalbu was a town read of mine until Titus replaced him.This, in and of itself is not evidence of scumminess. This is someone ELSE roleplaying the account.
Rikalbu voted for Bob when Bob slipped, Im thinking this was to gain town cred, for being the first person to notice the slip. (yeah, I know I said I dont think scum busses this early)You kinda said this one yourself.
Bob's answers to the slip are subjective. At one point he in 360 he responds to my query by saying "Are you saying that the mafioso knows the town win condition? This is the exact opposite of what youre accusing me off" when its pretty fucking obvious that scum knows town wins if they lose, which is exactly what I said. The question answering from him was dodgy, it indicates he doesnt know how to properly answer the questions because he was caught. In 447 he misreps me.
Another Bob tell aside from the slip and the dodgy question answering is interactions with attackers. He barely goes for Rika and actually supports Totus. But who was the first person who voted for Bob for slipping? Rikalbu. So why not attack him? Bcause youre scummzies.Nothing Bob's said so far looks like a scum slip to me. I just happen to disagree with the guy who had the account previously. I'm not going to argue for a position I don't believe in solely because the guy previously playing had that position.
Titus on the other hand made me rethink my read on the town Rikalbu slot. Titus enters the game attacking the biggest attacker of Bob, me.No, I merely put out a theory stating what I thought was the right scenario. It wasn't an attack at all. This is precisely why I think you are overreacting and exploding.
S[h]e then says Im opportunistic, failing to realize that if I was playing as scum I could have hammered by now with minimal consequences because I had approval from some townies (CDB, Bacde) to hammer. She then claims that ending the day early is the scummy part when this isnt true and I can attest that if there people agree to a hammer. Then Im pretty sure they agree its okay to cut the day early. She accuses me of being opportunistic because Im willing to hammer you when I have Bob as my top read, only to say a few posts later "I have a strong scum read on Dr.P but Im willing to vote for yes" hypocrisy.I wasn't certain you were scum at the time. Plus, I don't really care about how much perceived approval you have for ending the day early. Cutting the day short = less time to scum hunt = a pro scum manuever. Pretty clear here. I'll be consistent with that in EVERY game I play because it is innately obvious that the more organized the town and the more time we are given, the more likely it is we will succeed.
Titus then points out that you are a mislynch. 449 she says that her issue with the hammer on the mislynch isnt the problem, again going to her silly point of "ending the day is scummy". What is the underlying conclusion of this statement? Titus bring an example of a game we both had where I was scum and someone hammered with 10 freaking days left on the deadline without stating intent to hammer. Uses this to compare to me when the context is different. Then later says that the hammer on the mislynch isnt the problem, underlying conclusion is that Titus knows you are a mislynch. She compares the two situations, I said I wasnt opportunistic because I could have hammered you.She responds by saying the hammer on a.mislynchisnt the problem
The last voter, in and of itself, is not a reason to guilty someone. THAT is the point of that paragraph and you damn well know it by now. I will highlight that the amount of time is argument relevant as to how scummy the individual looks. Even in the case of the guy hammering with ten days left, he was town (game's over so we know that). He was just making a newbie mistake. However, SE's know cutting the day short is bad and gives the town less time to organize. That's bad.
Another slip? Yes it happened. Titus claims me being saying Im right all the time means Im scum. Scum. Is. Never. Ever. Right. Unless. They. Bus. Why? Scum has no need to be right, they know who everyone else is, they know who town is and who scum is. Me being overconfident of my scum reads? Why say Im over confident? Why backtrack later on and claim scum are only fixated with being right to convince people? Why say I think Im right and not say "I know youre wrong" or something to that extent. The difference is subtlety. Saying You think your right, indicates a scum knowing that someone is town. Saying I know youre wrong indicates someone knows he is town and is being pressured as scum by someone. The underlying premise is, Titus knows Im town and knows I caught up with them
This Titus is different from the town Titus in the first game, town Titus is less aggressive and a little sheepy. It seems like Titus got her first scum Role PM and dedcided to "make her buddy seem as town without directly saying so" when she clearly defends Bob as if he was town, while saying he is completely null. What is that?
I'm not getting this. In the other game, I was pressured right from the gate for my word choice (again is it a big shock that I'm defending people's word choice here?). I had to be focused more on avoiding a mislynch rather than scumhunting at first. Once I got that monkey off my back, I began being more aggressive in suggesting scum. I even said that I usually prefer a town leader strategy but I was trying to avoid it there. Here, I've again been forced into a town leader role.
My argument on Bob is that the reasoning on his vote train was bad. One question and people were raking him over the coals. The fact he asked it doesn't make him town or scum. It just is. I wanted to see more thoughts from him before I put him into a category. In fact, I had him as possible scum if Yessiree was scum (which I'm inclined to disbelieve now). I am beginning to think Bob is town but it's a very weak thing. I'm not going to do some illogical play because the guy I'm replacing thought that. I'm my own woman with my own thoughts.
Thats all I have to say (aside from "Im right, can we please just lynch one today and go after the other tomorrow")
Telling Bob not to be a hypocrite and judgmental is scum coaching? Wow.In post 492, DoctorPepper wrote:Hey look. Scum coaching
In post 496, DoctorPepper wrote:1. The only thing I said was I read the slot as town until you came in, because you have been scummy. Pointless point.I am confused by points one and two.
2. Yes I said it, I even pointed it out. Pointless point.
3. I pointed out that Bob doesnt attack the first person who said he slipped, I never said anything in that statement directed at you. Why answer a statement meant for Bob? Scum defense.You moan at me for stating that I defended Bob illogically. When I lay out my logic for the Nth time, you claim I'm doing a scum defense. That's kinda a catch 22.
4. Oh dear God, stop with this whole fake towny looking "I dont want to end the day early" BS. Now youre just doing it for town cred because its not scummy to end the day with people's approval. The context between the scenario your comparing it with is different.I'm doing something I view as townish solely for the town credit...that's your argument?I'm apparently majorly helping guide the town because Ribaku was in desperate need of town cred when I replaced him. [/sarcasm] I don't need cred. I need scum dead.
5. My point was you said the hammer on a mislynch wasnt the problem when youre problem was ending the day early. Stop dodging this. You clearly stated the hammer on a mislynch wasnt the problem when we were reffering to yessirree and I states intent to hammer him. This implies you know he was a mislynch. Stop. Dodging. That.Not. Dodging. Anything. Grab the entire posts so the group can have the context. They'll see that I'm arguing about point 4 and talking about the abstract rather than the specific.
6. Your a town leader? You've pretty much slipped all over the place. That other game you were so concerned with looking town and you were even less active Day 2. And the fact here is these "points" you addressed towards me do not answer my case against you at all.This is a ball of discredit right here. Oh you're all over the place, not responsive, and more meta that I twist. You can think I shouldn't be a town leader, that's fine. Yet, my behavior... encouraging analysis, getting information, and directing conversation is that of a town leader.
You should just better stop talking. Or no, keep talking, it incriminates you more for the scum you are.
Telling Bob to be careful about using someone else's language as an argument. Yes, that is coaching.Again, this is clearly out of context. I was warning Bob not to be a god damn hypocrit in very polite language. He was jumping on you what people had just jumped on him for. I wanted him to see how you felt and see if he stood by his opinion that what you said was a slip or not.
I missed the Bacde question but I always said that the Yessiree lynch would gain us valuable information. He changes his vote with a quote of "Let's see what happens". He's voting and then would study the behavior of those coming afterwards for its scumminess value. If someone immediately hammered or began pushing for a hammer, it should indicate scumminess. Obviously, he cannot change his vote to be on the hammerer, unlike what your post implies. Votes are fixed once hammering occurs. Again, you know this.
