Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

[Feel It]

man this game game is dead.

[Generic]

Screw it, I'm not happy with the hand waving away if the claim at L-2, but I am feeling like its time to trust the gut.

vote nachomamma

[Feel It]

Screw it, I'm not happy with the hand waving away if the claim at L-2, but I am feeling like its time to trust the gut.

vote nachomamma

How come exactly? I'm not convinced he's town but there's others around i find more suspicious.

[Feel It]

Oh btw could the mods give Gen_wolf and James May a prod?

[champinoman]

Screw it, I'm not happy with the hand waving away if the claim at L-2, but I am feeling like its time to trust the gut.

vote nachomamma

Can you outline your reasons for choosing Nachomamma over Antagon?

I currently think they are as useless as each other and am having trouble deciding which one deserves it more. I'm not even worried if they aren't scum because they are useless townies anyway. So much for having IC and SE players to teach us all how to play and guide us.

Oh btw could the mods give Gen_wolf and James May a prod?

James May hasn't logged in since the crash so maybe just hasn't realised we are back.

On the other hand, Nachomamma has posted numerous times on other threads and is just ignoring this one. Prod the hell outa him.

[Feel It]

Hmmm, well neither of them are voting on a bandwagon, Antagon is voting James May alone and Nacho is still voting Gen_wolf. I can't tell if they're busy or just not interested in the game. Not to put on panic mode, but time is getting short now and we'll have to make a decision on who to lynch pretty soon.

[Generic]

Screw it, I'm not happy with the hand waving away if the claim at L-2, but I am feeling like its time to trust the gut.

vote nachomamma

Can you outline your reasons for choosing Nachomamma over Antagon?

I currently think they are as useless as each other and am having trouble deciding which one deserves it more. I'm not even worried if they aren't scum because they are useless townies anyway. So much for having IC and SE players to teach us all how to play and guide us.

Oh btw could the mods give Gen_wolf and James May a prod?

James May hasn't logged in since the crash so maybe just hasn't realised we are back.

On the other hand, Nachomamma has posted numerous times on other threads and is just ignoring this one. Prod the hell outa him.

Maybe it's a bit of a cop out, but I pointed out it was head vs gut.
Head was antagon because I found the summary case against him quite compelling, but my gut read on him had been town to begin with.
Nachomamma is pure gut call, because I have recently had the privilege to see the man open with a far superior analytical approach into a game, and it bears zero reflection on this. And the moment I hinted that he returned with analysis... Something smelt fishy.

And the cop out was that the head vote puts a tag on at L-1 which is not a safe territory if I'm wrong. Nacho I think is put at L-2 so it applies pressure but with not as much chance of a fast mislynch. If anyone is fast lynched at L-2 both the final voters should be scrutinised to hell, but at L-1 accidents can happen, especially if there hasn't been a vote count for a while.

That's what it was. Not particularly positive I'm afraid, but st least its the honest answer.

[Antagon]

Yes, I'm here.
VOTE: Nacho
It's clearly obvious that James May won't be lynched today.
This is partially because I want to save myself and partially because Nacho also seems scummy to me.

Warning: Nacho is at L-1.

[Feel It]

Okay then, giving intent to hammer Nacho, I want to see what he has to say.

[Generic]

Not happy with antagons antics there. Depending on the nachomamma response I'm tempted to switch over.

That was opportunistic.

[Generic]

In fact I'm so annoyed by that play,

unvote, vote antagon

antagon is now at L-1

[Feel It]

In fact I'm so annoyed by that play,

unvote, vote antagon

antagon is now at L-1

What are you doing? You've changed your vote a hundred times we had enough pressure to get a real response out of nacho.

[champinoman]

Not happy with antagons antics there. Depending on the nachomamma response I'm tempted to switch over.

That was opportunistic.

What would you have preferred he do though? Whether he is town or not he is going to try and survive. At least he didn't lie about his reasoning.

I'm keeping my vote where it is though.

[Antagon]

Not happy with antagons antics there. Depending on the nachomamma response I'm tempted to switch over.

That was opportunistic.

What would you have preferred he do though? Whether he is town or not he is going to try and survive. At least he didn't lie about his reasoning.

I'm keeping my vote where it is though.

Would you have preferred it if I had kept my vote on James May then?

[Gen_Wolf]

I shall hold off my vote on antagon since he is at L-2. Does he want to claim at this stage cos my vote is currently earmarked for him.

Quite early at this stage to claim. But I see since then you have put him at L-1

Hmmm, well neither of them are voting on a bandwagon, Antagon is voting James May alone and Nacho is still voting Gen_wolf. I can't tell if they're busy or just not interested in the game. Not to put on panic mode, but time is getting short now and we'll have to make a decision on who to lynch pretty soon.

I am just busy and then when I had time the site had crashed so I am managing to get my post in now. My quote function isn't working properly so will have to do it manually. Will just make reference to the post.

Post #173:

OK, Feel It is leaning Town atm, I like his case against Gen_Wolf, although his tone fluctuates from slightly callous to cheery and merry, which is a little inconsistent. His motives are pretty Towny too,

backseat scumhunting a little now, but justifiable by the fact that he has a solid scumread on Gen_Wolf.

The bolded part - this is an issue though seeing as I am not scum, thus it is not justified.

I feel Antagon is town, I do not see the case on him being valid. Thus if I had to hammer it would not be him. I also see Nacho is at L-1 and I would hammer him over Anta, I do however think fegelin is scum, I don't like his play and considering we have 5 days left there is no need to rush.

Unvote

Vote: Fegelin

[Fegelein]

I need to pay more attention to the game.

Gen_Wolf, your logic on the bolded part seems to suggest that Feel It must be scum for thinking you are scum.

And the rest of your case is "I don't like your play!". I'll be honest, Stranger's walls were kind of annoying, and I didn't really like them, but that doesn't mean she is auto-scum. That term can be applied to everyone, in almost anyway. It's a cop-out.

Try again.

Also, why does everyone on the Nacho wagon only have the case of active lurking. There's more than that. (I may have missed something as I'm looking on the most recent page here)

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Vote Count 1.6

Fegelein - 1 (Gen_Wolf)
Gen_Wolf - 1(Nachomamma8)
Nachomamma8 - 3 (Fegelein, champinoman, Antagon)
Antagon - 4 (Miss Stranger, James May, Feel It, Generic)

Not Voting - 0 ()

5 to Lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-06-30 08:00:00)

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[Feel It]

See Gen_Wolf this is why I think you're scummy you make odd posts and accusations. I've done at least as much scumhunting as you and probably a lot more? Why is the case against Antagon not valid? Because he's your scum partner and you're desperate to save him? How is Fegelein more likely to be scum than nacho and Antagon?

[Miss Stranger]

Oh look, hating on my walls of text again... I'll try to keep this brief then.

What Antagon just did correlates extremely well with what Honest Abel did in Newbie 1344 (I read that to get a grasp of Nacho's scum meta, as Fegelein pointed out on page 2). Anyway, this is Abel's post:

Town doesn't sheep to L-1. The pressure excuse is nonsense. This is the dumbest, most obvious scumtell all game.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shisou

That's L-2, I believe.

TL;DR: I'm sheeping on the guy with most votes because I suddenly think he's scummy althought not previously suspected by me, and because otherwise I'm getting lynched.
And yes, you guessed it, Abel was scum.

@Feel It:

What's that obsession with "changing votes"? Generic isn't hopping on opportunistic wagons, he's explaining his reasons.

@Generic:

My gut says Antagon is still town, despite everything. Maybe he's just not as glaringly scummy or... no, I don't know. But if he's town, he isn't contributing, so is this a good lynch in either case? Gaaah, decisions X_X Can I have a bit more elaboration on your "head vs gut" theory?

[Fegelein]

Problem is, Antagon is not Honest Abel. I can draw some parallels with their behaviour I guess, but you have to understand that you are comparing two different people here.

[Generic]

In fact I'm so annoyed by that play,

unvote, vote antagon

antagon is now at L-1

What are you doing? You've changed your vote a hundred times we had enough pressure to get a real response out of nacho.

Feel it, here's an idea. You play your game, I will play mine. I do not like that antagon opportunistically waits to put nachomamma, the other md in wagon, at L-1 straight after my vote.

I already said L-1 allows for a mislynch much easier than L-2. Antagon could have voted anytime before me, chose to wait.

[Generic]

Also feel it. How much of a hypocrite are you?

Move your vote if you want to put the pressure on, why make it me responsible for it?

fos feel it

[Generic]

Problem is, Antagon is not Honest Abel. I can draw some parallels with their behaviour I guess, but you have to understand that you are comparing two different people here.

It's comparing the tactical mindset though. She was simply drawing comparisons to the thought process and the alignment behind that, and I applaud it. May end up irrelevant, but it's showing placement of logic to what she sees.

That kid will go far

Miss stranger, we can discuss mafia theory and such post game if you like, but I am not wanting to spend game time coaching or teaching, no offence.

[Feel It]

What are you going on about? I did put pressure on him, then you moved your vote because Antagon voted his main opponent in the lynch, which honestly I can't see anything wrong with whether he's town or scum he's got good reason to do it. And now you're pointing fingers at me because?

[Generic]

You have just gone off at the deep end because I chose to me my vote from nacho (taking him from L-1) to antagon (putting him at L-1). Your reason for the issue is you wanted nacho under the pressure of L-1.

Now look where your vote is.

That's right, it's on antagon. So I stead of bitching at me, how about you move your vote and apply the pressure yourself?

Hence why the suspicion, don't want to get your own hands dirty.