Newbie 1393 Game Over

[Dessew]

Thank you, that's all what I wanted from you. You finally made a post that can be discussed, not just a grayish 'how could you all?'.

That said though, it would is again have to be judge against each of you and your experience, therefore IMO Desew looks the more suspicious primarily because of the backtracking, but this could be attributed to a lack of experience?

What backtracking?

Have you even read every post on page 2, Smudger?

[Smudger]

this I see as backtracking

I think I see the problem. I used these words in these meanings:
pro-town: somewhat useful for the town. For example when there is low activity, posting helps town ergo it's pro-town.
townish: seems to be townie (not scum).
I agree that mostly they mean the same but with so few posts it's different now imo. If you're scum there can be several reasons why you want to post while there's no activity but you are helping town because we get some information.

[Z7-852]

It's intresting that

notscience

asked what people think about no-lynch (#25). No-lynch always bad for town execpt in very specific situations like mylo. So anyone wanting to go for no-lynch is either poor player or scum. This was a weird move to ask peoples opinion on thing like this.

Scummy move from

Feel It

to ask (#46) why we don't want to put people to L-1 in random voting phase. Might not be dangerous in other games but in newbie games a new player might hammer recardless of aliagment. This could mess up the whole game.

There isn't really anything to be said about discussion between notscience and Dessew. There was just a simple misunderstanding about terminology.

Scummometer (tm)
HopefullyCynical = Smudger = Feel It = Dessew = mvmafia = FuDuzn = Z7-852 = notscience = Debonair Danny DiPietro

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

1)(To those who haven't stated so) What is your time zone?
2) Have you ever played Mafia before? If so, on what medium and how many games? (irl, another forum, etc)
3) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
4) What would your feelings be on a no-lynch?

1) Not
2) Answering
3) Silly
4) Questions

VOTE: VOTE:DDDP, maybe we get some interesting results.

Unless me saying you won't is an interesting result... you won't.

It's intresting that

notscience

asked what people think about no-lynch (#25). No-lynch always bad for town execpt in very specific situations like mylo. So anyone wanting to go for no-lynch is either poor player or scum. This was a weird move to ask peoples opinion on thing like this.

Take a stand, is it interesting scum or interesing poor play?

[Z7-852]

Asking it is interesting. Answering yes to it is either poor or scummy. Just felt like he was sizing up the competition. Again nothing to do with alignment.

[Feel It]

Asking it is interesting. Answering yes to it is either poor or scummy. Just felt like he was sizing up the competition. Again nothing to do with alignment.

You can size me up any day, baby.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.1:

Debonair Danny DiPietro (3)-

FuDuzn, Z7-852, Dessew

Smudger (3)-

Feel-It, mvmafia, notscience

Feel-It (1)-

Smudger

FuDuzn (1)-

Debonair Danny DiPietro

Not Voting (1)-

HopefullyCynical

mvmafia and HopefullyCynical have been prodded.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline will be 10pm BST on Thursday 4th July 2013.

[notscience]

The question of the wagon? I'm thinking itlooks townspeed, trying to force the way out of RVS.

Danny-

1)Why
2)Are
3)You
4)Avoiding?

As for the reasons I asked about no lynch, we always get either EM people who believe the standard is to no-lynch, as well as it allows a better understanding about the thought process. It also can account for certain quirks in behaviour based on the games they have. I suppose you could call it "sizing up" however.

Nothing else interested you thus far danny?

[FuDuzn]

Tbf Notscience, a lot of players refuse to do rvq. I wouldn't go nuts trying to get people to do it.

[HopefullyCynical]

I had posted earlier, but it looks like it got ate in the site crash sorry guys.

I think that the exchange between notscience and Dessew comes mostly down to a misunderstanding in terminology, but I also think that Dessew backtracking looks pretty sketch. It may have been a slip of the tongue, but his word choice was very interesting to me.

In regards to activity correlating to alignment, just because someone posts frequently doesn't make them good or bad. In fact, someone who is town could post a lot of bad information and have that be potentially more dangerous to us in the long run.

There are rare occasions where no lynch is acceptable, but I feel 98% of the time no lynch is a very poor play. It's also a pretty basic ploy to get newer players to mess up.

[Feel It]

I just realized we've actually already eaten into a fair chunk of our time (some was lost due to the site being down) not much has really been done on said but I'll look at what I can.

Z7-852 has been fairly active and been making good observations, already trying to assess and pick up early scum tells, seems the most townie to me so far. Not sure what to make of the wagon on DDDP I don't think his refusal to answer questions is scummy as such. Smudger doesn't seem to care. The debate between notscience and Dessew was eh, seemed nulled to me.

VOTE: notscience You've made a lot of posts without saying anything. While I can see this is your play style you haven't actually said anything useful and it just feels like you're trying to hard to appear town by making yourself look very active.

[FuDuzn]

Cynical, why do you still not have a vote down?

[mvmafia]

sorry mod. i didnt post because site crashed monday!!!

now i might go vla soon.

still keeping my vote on smudget because people on dubai cant sleep together if they arent married!!!

[HopefullyCynical]

I am very new to forum posting stuff, so hopefully this turns out all right...

Vote: notscience

I agree he has been posting frequently while saying very little. For now, I am going to vote for him. I was just waiting to see what developed bandwagon-wise, etc.

DDP, can I get a clarification on a facet of your role as IC? If you die, are you no longer able to help the newbie players out?

I feel like those trying to bandwagon DDP have targeted him as an experienced player. Removing him under the guise of a bandwagon could be a convenient early play.

[FuDuzn]

My voting of DDDP was initially a rvs vote, but I am keeping it on him until he posts some actual content.

But to answer some questions about the IC, he is a regular player just like anyone else. He is here to give general advice, but if he dies he is gone like anyone else.

[notscience]

Okay, you want me to do stuff?

VOTE: Cynical

He essentially just sheeped Feel it's reasoning and placed that vote in an attempt to blend into town. Atm, he's also trying to say a wagon that was established in RVS is a ruse to eliminate the IC, and yet does not elaborate on the people on the wagon, and choses to vote someone else. Admittedly, I was on the Danny wagon, but I was the FIRST on the wagon. Note how that's not in his reasoning for voting me, only reasoning brought up be Feel it is. Not to mention, they say they targetted him as an "experienced player" when the people who were on his wagon were primarily the SEs.

Feel it, I'm taking that as an insult and will ask you not to make comments such as that more please. You're riding my ass for not posting content when other people are doing the exact same thing and not getting called out for it.

Exhibit A) Danny
Exhibit B) MVM
Exhibit C) You yourself up until that post had no content whatsoever

[notscience]

Also in addendum to that blending into the town bit, he only placed a vote

after

being called out for it. Scum realizing they're out in the open and scared about it?

[Feel It]

What are you talking about? If you added up mine, Danny's and MVM's posts up together it's only about half of the posts you've made, and in ours we've actually done some votes. There's a difference between not posting content and pretending to be active. If you're that desperate to shirt the blame onto a similar player try Dessew or something.

[notscience]

Shirting the blame? Provide proof.

I'm not pretending to be active, I'm doing what I can amidst this. I'm used to having at least one person active to bounce thoughts around with, which I don't have. I've had votes, I've been on wagons during RVS because imo that's the best way to get us out of RVS.

You're essentially giving people credit for voting. ALL of MVMs votes have been RVS-esq. Danny hasn't really had content or a decent vote. You're BSing and buddying. Congratz, you're my new #2 scumread.

For the record, I post a lot because the more I post, the more there is for people to use to develop a read on me.

[FuDuzn]

Notscience, what exactly did feel it do to make it feel like a personal insult? The game of mafia is people accusing each other of things, some things are true and some things are false, but that's the game. You basically are mad at feel it for playing the game, so man up a bit.

And actually, with you sheeping my call out of Cynical(and omgus'ing him at the same time), I think you are being fake more then needing to man up.

So which is it?
VOTE: notscience

[Feel It]

Shirting the blame? Provide proof.

I'm not pretending to be active, I'm doing what I can amidst this. I'm used to having at least one person active to bounce thoughts around with, which I don't have. I've had votes, I've been on wagons during RVS because imo that's the best way to get us out of RVS.

You're essentially giving people credit for voting. ALL of MVMs votes have been RVS-esq. Danny hasn't really had content or a decent vote. You're BSing and buddying. Congratz, you're my new #2 scumread.

For the record, I post a lot because the more I post, the more there is for people to use to develop a read on me.

Who have I been buddying with? How am I BSing? Why are you OMGUSing me for a valid concern?

[notscience]

What valid concern?

You're buddying Danny, giving him way more credit than he deserves, likewise with mvm.

I'm not omgusing, I'm pissed off.

[Feel It]

The valid concern that you seemed to be making frequent posts with nothing of real substance in them in order to appear pro-town. How is that buddying? You accused us of not providing content and I'm saying I did what you managed to do in your twenty votes in much less, the same applies to them. Stop trying to group us together because the same accusation warrant the same defense.

[notscience]

Fu, what call am I sheeping? The fact that I used something you did and his reaction in my case=sheeping?

You want to say I'm scum feel it? Go ahead. Don't care. I'll be over here trying to catch actual scum.

I find it insulting when he depicts the entirety of my play as posting a lot without actual content.

Tell me Feel It, because you seem to be a

professional

on my meta, do I post like this as town or scum, and provide proof of it to back your claim up.

I haven't had content based on everyone else posting so little and essentially RVS, so it must be I'm sucm, the two must not correlate.

Here, I'll ISO so You get that content that you say I'm lacking

DDDP has done jack and yet I'm apparently worse than him

Dessew has posted a crapton and hasn't done much of anything other than debate with me and ask if someone read every post on page 2

Feel it, as much as he pisses me off is looking town thus far. He's asking questions and getting involved in stuff. Still hasn't had a lot of content pre-this debate.

Fu- he says I sheep'd him and I don't see any sheeping whatosever, misrepping to the max as well as quick to jump on the wagon outside of RVS makes him possible scum. I'd bet it more if Cynical wasn't on this wagon, as scum like to have 1 on 1 off every wagon, but I'll come back to that later.

Cynical hasn't done anything but according to Feel it neither have I so I can't say anything

mvm hasn't done anything and see above for the rest of this line

Smudger looks logical, nothing indicative of either alignment

Z7 is town just for calling out Feel it's bit about L-1 and the derphammers.

Happy, or is this just another low content post that doesn't appease you?

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.2:

notscience (3)-

Feel-It, HopefullyCynical, FuDuzn

Debonair Danny DiPietro (2)-

Z7-852, Dessew

Smudger (1)-

mvmafia

Feel-It (1)-

Smudger

FuDuzn (1)-

Debonair Danny DiPietro

HopefullyCynical (1)-

notscience

Not Voting (0)-

Yesterdays prods aren't being counted against activity.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline will be 10pm BST on Thursday 4th July 2013.