Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[Varsoon]

@Desperado: I've already explained the town motivation and my thought-process. Please actually read my case and my posts explaining why I believe Zoidberg's info on multi-ball is scum-influenced. Also, please actually -read my entire case built against Zoidberg-. You know, the one that Zoidberg dismissed as useless and everyone ignored. I've laid out more than a few reasons for him to be scum, but if you continue to selectively ignore information, it's not like I can stop you--and it's not worth talking to you anymore.

[EddieFenix]

@Zoisberg
You claimed JOAT, did you do anything tonight?

I thought Zoidberg claimed the tracer bullet with 7 shots of something...

[Rubicon]

I believe Varsoon's claim. He's town.

Why would TIPscum feel like he needed to claim for false leverage this early in the day? It's not like you've been a paragon of towniness. You tunneled a claimed town PR (that caught scum) based on role PM knowledge because...he slipped in a way that revealed he had role PM knowledge. Your justification above is extremely lacking.

Look at the facts man.

You claim to be a miller neighborizer whose N1 target died. The level of convenience here is far past bordering on reasonable.
Another person has claimed town PR who tracked you to the kill.
You made an ill fated push on another claimed town PR and continue to champion his lynch even though he must eventually confirm himself or die.

If it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck...it's probably scum.

PEdit: soft claimed miller. Give me a fucking break.

Let's talk about how bad this post is instead.

VOTE: Desperado

[Varsoon]

@Rubicon: You can start by showcasing what you feel is bad about it?

[Desperado]

@Desperado: I've already explained the town motivation and my thought-process. Please actually read my case and my posts explaining why I believe Zoidberg's info on multi-ball is scum-influenced.

Also, please actually -read my entire case built against Zoidberg-. You know, the one that Zoidberg dismissed as useless and everyone ignored. I've laid out more than a few reasons for him to be scum, but if you continue to selectively ignore information, it's not like I can stop you--and it's not worth talking to you anymore.

Reading Varsoon's case in full, I have no problem seeing Zoid bussing rofl here. The case is good.

Zoid's "I'm trying to be like Nacho" line and then complaining about Varsoon's AtE right before calling us all sheep for believing his case are amazingly miscalculated.

Also, seeing that case and then just claiming without even bothering to address anything Varsoon said is super scummy.

Varsoon not being capable of expressing the scum motivation in your posts doesn't negate the case.

Sometimes IIOA is good. I know I certainly wouldn't have taken the time to do that. But putting everything in one place (with relevant links) for those players that CAN understand and express scum motivation is pro-town.

Basically...there's a certain point where something goes from mere IIOA to a catalog of information. If he had just picked out a couple quotes for each point and said "look, this is this thing, that's that thing, and there's that thing over there" then you would have a point...but he linked every single post you've made and had a relevant comment for every single one.

The dedication is genuinely town.

Go fuck yourself bro.

[Varsoon]

Cool,

So, why are you riding my ass instead of Zoidberg's?

[Psyche]

I believe Varsoon's claim. He's town.

Why would TIPscum feel like he needed to claim for false leverage this early in the day? It's not like you've been a paragon of towniness. You tunneled a claimed town PR (that caught scum) based on role PM knowledge because...he slipped in a way that revealed he had role PM knowledge. Your justification above is extremely lacking.

Look at the facts man.

You claim to be a miller neighborizer whose N1 target died. The level of convenience here is far past bordering on reasonable.
Another person has claimed town PR who tracked you to the kill.
You made an ill fated push on another claimed town PR and continue to champion his lynch even though he must eventually confirm himself or die.

If it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck...it's probably scum.

PEdit: soft claimed miller. Give me a fucking break.

Let's talk about how bad this post is instead.

VOTE: Desperado

ok then get to it :/

[Psyche]

Wait? You're a Snowman?

[Varsoon]

Yeah, the one that Calvin builds.

[Desperado]

Cool,

So, why are you riding my ass instead of Zoidberg's?

Because a lot has changed since you made that case.

[Psyche]

Yeah, the one that Calvin builds.

Neighborizer? Miller? What?

[Varsoon]

@Desperado: If you believed that Zoid was using a convenient-cop/JOAT claim in order to bus his partner, and when rofl flipped scum and confirmed multiball, then what has changed that makes my case any less compelling?

Also, sorry for saying that you didn't read my case. I was getting frustrated because, multiple times, I reiterated that I couldn't see any town motivation behind how Zoid handled his multi-ball slip and that it wasn't in-line with how quick he was to quote his PM for his own convenience. Despite me writing this a few times so far today, you've pushed forward explaining how he could be town and know of the multiball setup given that I'm town and figured it out as well.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, the one that Calvin builds.

Neighborizer? Miller? What?

Flavor doesn't always match up with abilities or in-game power.
Regardless, I speculate miller is due to the grotesque nature of Calvin's snowmen,
And I figure the two-shot neighborizer abilities reflect the melting nature of the snowmen (two-shot), their capacity to bring in onlookers, and how most of the more heart-warming stories in C&H are told during winter.

[Psyche]

It's also indeed quite weird that Varsoon got new information about who his redirected target was.

Varsoon, that's pretty dubious, given how clearly linked the available flips' flavor are to their roles and the profound availability of good roles in a C&H theme game.

[Rubicon]

@Rubicon: You can start by showcasing what you feel is bad about it?

He repeatedly emphasizes that you were tracked to the kill in almost every post he's made since your claim, tries to suggest that this is "pretty damning evidence" even after Psyche correctly pointed out that if you were redirected as you say, the result would be the same. He's determined to get you mislynched. If this is multiball, he's acting exactly like I'd expect him to act as scum.

[Skullduggery]

UNVOTE:

Who's your flavor character, Pope?

Desperado, are you going to believe anything people say? His 'tracking' me is absolute bullshit. You're sheeping the aplenty-of-votes on me while regurgitating flimsy logic.

What would TIP claim from fake-trackering a guilty on me? Oh, I don't know, false leverage used to move my wagon.

Let's say that Pope lied about tracking you. If you flip Town like you say you will, then we'll know that him tracking you is bullcrap and we lynch him next. He won't even be able to use the "Well, maybe I was redirected" defense since the alleged Redirector supposedly targeted

you

last night.

I will tentatively believe Pope here even though I'm still suspicious of him.

If you're Scum and I'm as obvious-Town as you say I am, it would make sense for you to try to kill me last night only to have it get redirected to Radioactive Wolf.

Why did you want to neighborize Skull?

Because I'm awesome, obviously. Don't ask such silly questions.

I thought Zoidberg claimed the tracer bullet with 7 shots of something...

Zoidberg mentioned having eight slugs in him, which is just flavor shenanigans. I don't think he's said how many different abilities he has aside from the Daycop.

[Zoidberg]

Because, like I said, my ability--neighborizer--was redirected from Skullduggery to Radioactive Wolf.

Desperado, are you going to believe anything people say? His 'tracking' me is absolute bullshit. You're sheeping the aplenty-of-votes on me while regurgitating flimsy logic.

If you ISO me, it's fairly obvious that I already breadcrumbed my entire role PM and hinted strongly at either neighboring Skullduggery or Psyche.

Wow I didn't know that it was impossible to fake breadcrumb. Tell me more about this concept; I'm eager to learn.

[TheIrishPope]

Tracer Bullet, Calvin's alter-ego

[Psyche]

Tracer Bullet, Calvin's alter-ego

That's...Zoidberg's rolename.

[Skullduggery]

Yeah that's hilarious. Who's your flavor character?

[Zoidberg]

TIP, you're full of it.

Regardless, my full claim, since people want to hear it so badly, is Snowman. I'm a miller/two-shot neighborizer. I tried to Neighbor Skullduggery last night, but the message that the mod sent back to me was "You successfully neighborized radioactive wolf but he died."

I assume this wasted one of my shots.

As to why I know Zoidberg is scum, and the evidence I have towards it, my role-pm also included info confirming a multiball setup. Based on that, Zoidberg's slip about the multiball setup and the flip of 'Slimy Girls mafia' confirms that there is a multiball and Zoidberg knew about it beforehand.

Speculate all you want, but I've been tunneling Zoidberg hard because there's a heavy chance he is scum. His response to my immediate pressure today was slander and question-dodging. You know who does that shit? Scum.

Now, please, do some actual hunting of your own, or give me actual proof that Zoidberg isn't scum. Anything else is a waste of time.

So you're claiming that

a) you're a role which conveniently gives you an out from any cops
b) you were "redirected" to the dead guy, who is conveniently dead and can't corroborate
c) your multiball knowledge is "concrete proof" that I'm scum

This is, without question, hilarious.

[TheIrishPope]

We lynch Zoidberg
NOW

We lynch Zoidberg
NOW

Hold that thought for a sec. Just hush. I know what I'm doing.

It's the reasoning behind this string of posts.

[Varsoon]

Either way, I was in a game with a Miller recently and he claimed D1 and it caused a lot of headache for everyone. I've been pretty hesitant due to that--and the fact that he was killed pretty quickly in the game, too.

@Psyche: What new info did I get? Like I said, all I know is that I targeted Skull at night to be my neighbor for today, and instead, I got a PM back saying that I tried to neighbor Radioactive Wolf and he died.
As far as linkage of Power to PR, I was simply reiterating the facts. I think my powers fit pretty closely to the role, moreso in the case of miller than two-shot-neighborizer.

@Rubicon: That makes sense, but what bugs me is that he was pretty anti-Zoidberg and could follow my case, but now he's turned around on me. I could see scum motivation in bussing Zoidberg, if Zoidberg was scum, and then a turnabout now that everyone believes Zoidberg is a strong town PR and since so many people put a quick vote on me today. The juxtaposition is a little staggering, but I don't think I could build a case on that alone.

[Desperado]

@Rubicon: You can start by showcasing what you feel is bad about it?

He repeatedly emphasizes that you were tracked to the kill in almost every post he's made since your claim, tries to suggest that this is "pretty damning evidence"

even after Psyche correctly pointed out that if you were redirected as you say, the result would be the same.

He's determined to get you mislynched. If this is multiball, he's acting exactly like I'd expect him to act as scum.

This doesn't make any sense, particularly the bolded

Varsoon targeted Radioactive
He is now dead
Someone tracked him to the kill

Why shouldn't I be mentioning this?

[Desperado]

@Rubicon: You can start by showcasing what you feel is bad about it?

He repeatedly emphasizes that you were tracked to the kill in almost every post he's made since your claim, tries to suggest that this is "pretty damning evidence"

even after Psyche correctly pointed out that if you were redirected as you say, the result would be the same.

He's determined to get you mislynched. If this is multiball, he's acting exactly like I'd expect him to act as scum.

This doesn't make any sense, particularly the bolded

Varsoon targeted Radioactive
He is now dead
Someone tracked him to the kill

Why shouldn't I be mentioning this?