Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[Psyche]

Yea, pretty dubious breadcrumbing. >.>

IF THERE IS A VIG AMONG US, A PERFECT STORM OF CONSEQUENTIAL SCUMMINESS LIKE THIS GUY IS THE SORT OF PERSON YOU USE SAVE YOUR ROLE FOR.

[Varsoon]

@Rubicon: Here are my two completed scum-games on-site;

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27133: I won here.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28111: I won here, too.


@Dante: I don't advise keeping me into a Lylo situation, because keeping a miller that long is pointless. I do recommend investigating the Zoidberg/TIP counterclaim.

@Zoidberg: Full claim. Although, I'm sure you'll lie again this time.

Vote: Zoidberg

I can not reiterate this enough. Zoidberg is scum.


P-EDIT: @Desperado: No, I wouldn't mention being redirected if I wasn't redirected. I'm not that clever, and I'm pretty new to the site, so I'm wasn't even aware such a power existed until today. I spent a good minute or two looking at the PM that said my neighbor ability hit Radiowolf instead of Skull and wondered if there was a typo or the mod was fucking with me.
There's more breadcrumbs to my miller status other than that one.

@Psyche: You're good at this.

[Rubicon]

Yes. Lying is scummy.

[Varsoon]

Yes. Lying is scummy.

http://youtu.be/W5a_fEzpDik

[Desperado]

It's a lot more plausible that one of the scum-teams that made the radio-wolf NK also had my actions redirected to radio, so that in the case of a tracker following me, the case could be levied against me for a mislynch.

hahahahahahahahahaha "it's a lot more plausible" you have got to be kidding me.

Either you're town and the target of an elaborate frame job that includes two scum PRs and a town PR

Or you're scum and you killed Radioactive.

Occam's Razor.

[Psyche]

Question to everyone reading:

Are Varsoon's posts, absent his claims, scummy?

Yes. Lying is scummy.

said Calvin the Tiger.

[TheIrishPope]

Zoidberg wat

[Desperado]

@Desperado: I already explained why a trace on me would turn up that way. I did before traces were even mentioned. I did not know I was traced until TIP said he traced me.

That's great, but as scum you have no choice BUT to explain why the track would turn up that way. If you hadn't been redirected, and Skull had died instead, and TIP still tracked you, you'd just be saying the same thing.

"I tried to neighborize Skull but he's dead now so if you tracked me to him that's why, and btw if you got a guilty on me it's because I'm a miller."

And claiming scum and then later saying that that was a breadcrumb to you being a miller is just...it's out there, man.

Why would Varsoon assume he'd been tracked? If he thought he was going to be tracked, why would he have done the kill in the first place?

Maybe he doesn't have a choice.

I don't have access to a scum role PM so I can't tell you how their nightkill works, but I can imagine several scenarios that would force him to perform the kill.

[Varsoon]

^^ Zoidberg being the kid falling.


I expected you guys to mention that anyone can breadcrumb. It's true, anyone can. Why would scum breadcrumb a weak role and limit themselves to a single fake-claim?

[Rubicon]

@Desperado: I already explained why a trace on me would turn up that way. I did before traces were even mentioned. I did not know I was traced until TIP said he traced me.

That's great, but as scum you have no choice BUT to explain why the track would turn up that way. If you hadn't been redirected, and Skull had died instead, and TIP still tracked you, you'd just be saying the same thing.

"I tried to neighborize Skull but he's dead now so if you tracked me to him that's why, and btw if you got a guilty on me it's because I'm a miller."

And claiming scum and then later saying that that was a breadcrumb to you being a miller is just...it's out there, man.

Why would Varsoon assume he'd been tracked? If he thought he was going to be tracked, why would he have done the kill in the first place?

Maybe he doesn't have a choice.

I don't have access to a scum role PM so I can't tell you how their nightkill works, but I can imagine several scenarios that would force him to perform the kill.

Okay, but why would he think someone was going to track him?

[Rubicon]

Varsoon, why did you mention that you were redirected and why did you do it

before

claiming your role?

[Psyche]

If the last player of the girl's team were a scum PR and not allowed to simultaneously use his power plus do the NK while a bud lived, then Varsoons would be compelled to do the NK.

Aware that this would be a risky but necessary endeavor, he would plan to claim redirection at the start of the following Day...

pedit: @Varsoons: the real point is that your breadcrumbs don't really count as breadcrumbs besides the snowman bit.

[Mr E Roll]

Until I see some sound justification for the fake claim

VOTE: Zoidberg

[Zoidberg]

So...I need you to explain why you did that, and then fullclaim again.

rofl was so incredibly obvscum, but the wagon was slipping away from me. It's one of those situations that happens all too often where town was going to talk itself out of a good thing, and we weren't anywhere close to a MYLO/LYLO situation. I also wanted to draw the nightkill away from a power role if possible.

My plan was to claim hider so that any docs would stay away from me, but the thread was locked before I could submit that post.

Also, it was just really entertaining.

[Psyche]

Yeaaaaa let's

vote zoidberg

[Rubicon]

So...I need you to explain why you did that, and then fullclaim again.

rofl was so incredibly obvscum, but the wagon was slipping away from me. It's one of those situations that happens all too often where town was going to talk itself out of a good thing, and we weren't anywhere close to a MYLO/LYLO situation. I also wanted to draw the nightkill away from a power role if possible.

My plan was to claim hider so that any docs would stay away from me, but the thread was locked before I could submit that post.

Also, it was just really entertaining.

You're claiming VT?

[Desperado]

Vote: Zoidberg

[Varsoon]

Desperado, I did not kill Radioactive Wolf.
My only night action was a use of my Neighborizer power on Skullduggery.
I wrote, "I'd like to Neighborize Skullduggery."
I got back, today, "You successfully neighborized radioactive wolf but he died."
I wasn't even aware redirects existed until today, when I was the target of one.

Also, given that Zoidberg fake-claimed the tracer-role, and that he instantly realized TIP was that role, it's not so elaborate. Zoid probably figured TIP would track me, given the end of the day. Zoid redirected my night action (or had his ally redirect my night action) so that it'd hit their team's NK. In fact, the fact Zoid bussed roflcopter was likely so that this plan could happen. After all, a redirect is a lot more powerful than a jailer in a game with a confirmed Dayvig. They might have even thought I was the dayvig and redirected my actions because of that. In fact, Zoid might have even had my actions redirected, since I saw through his lies, and if he thought I was a vig of some kind, he might want to avoid me shooting him at night, if possible.

If you choose to not believe me, do so.
I'm not lying.


P-EDIT:
@Rubicon: I didn't want to claim my role until I had to. I don't have much experience with the game, but roleclaiming usually gives scum info, and helps them guide their night-kills--this is, at least, what I've learned so far. I didn't want to out myself as such a weak role, because then scum wouldn't NK me, and instead set me up as a lynch, and use their NKs to try to hit other, more powerful PRs. The reason why I mentioned the redirect? I didn't know what to make of it, and I figured that immediately sharing that info with town was way better than not sharing it until I needed to.

@Psyche: Okay, then.

[Zoidberg]

@Zoidberg: You're absolutely lying. You've been caught again and now you're squirming very hard. I don't buy it for a minute. Why would town lie about their role?

I've outlined the reasons.

What do you have to gain?

a scum lynch

Also, how could you possibly know there was another tracer bullet in the game before you claimed?

Go back and re-read what I wrote, because I'm not sure you fully understood it.

[Psyche]

And then he advocates lynching Varsoon for lying *grumble grumble*

[Zoidberg]

Yes. Lying is scummy.

Yeah I maybe typed that before I thought it through.

[Zoidberg]

Either way, he still said he has 100% concrete proof I am scum. That is patently false.

[Psyche]

he said 90% and had an overconfidence bias

[Zoidberg]

You're claiming VT?

Yes.

[Zoidberg]

he said 90% and had an overconfidence bias

Later on he said he had concrete proof. I asked him point blank yes or no and he said yes.