Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Nobody Special]

JKM -- you've stated intent to hammer how long ago?

What are/were you waiting for?

[Titus]

NS, we have many days left in the scum chat available to get information. Only scum are in a rush to hammer IMO. There's literally no harm in having your vote sit on someone. Scum who withdraw their vote because the hammer is taking too long identify themselves as scum.

You're all hurry up and hammer. The day didn't end within 24 hours of that point, so you change your vote to a less likely (in my opinion) to be successful lynch by the numbers. This seems more like a panicked scum play.

[Nobody Special]

No, I'm just frustrated.

[Titus]

Then if you think Yessiree is scum, you should have no problem putting your vote back if your goal is to truly end the day as fast as possible. If you don't think he's scum, I'd like to hear your reasons as to him being town.

[JKMatthews]

NS - I already said I was waiting for a few more people to check in. At the time I stated intent it was only me, Titus and yessiree talking. What are your frustrated about? Can you tell us why you think Titus is a better lynch than NS?

Titus - seems like you're putting a lot of words in NS's mouth. "if you think Yessiree is scum, you should have no problem putting your vote back if your goal is to truly end the day as fast as possible"? Isn't it possible he thinks yessiree is scum without necessarily wanting to end the day as fast as possible?

[Titus]

@JKM, I don't believe so. I'll grab the posts that make me believe that NS wanted the day over as fast as possible.

[Nobody Special]

I'm primarily frustrated that the yessiree wagon is taking so long to get to lynch especially with him being as scummy

and

anti-town as he is.

I guess I basically want to know his alignment. Really badly.

[Titus]

Somebody please hammer.

Anybody.

I could go for a Titus lynch, especially with the yessirree wagon going absolutely

nowhere.

unvote

Vote: [He voted for Me]

JKM -- you've stated intent to hammer how long ago?

What are/were you waiting for?

These three posts together form the nearly unmistakable conclusion that NS is wanting to hammer fast. First, he's begging for anyone to hammer Yessiree. Second, his stated rationale was that he was changing because he perceived the Yessiree lynch to be a failure. Third, he's wanting to know if someone was willing to hammer what took so long. I cannot come up with any rationale for these three posts that is NOT a desire to hammer quickly.

As you said, there are people outstanding. We have time before jumping onto any lynch right now. My question to NS was putting his feet to the fire. Does he believe that Yessiree is scum, or like in 12 Angry Men, is he only changing his vote because he has baseball tickets burning a hole in his pocket (meaning that he wants a fast lynch due to reasons other than finding scum, V/LA or the possibility he's scum come to mind)?

[Titus]

My husband is calling me back to bed. I guess I woke him. I really have to go... blah. Probably good to sleep anyway. I will see y'all tomorrow.

[JKMatthews]

NS, I'm in the same mindset about yessiree. Let's do it.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: yessiree

Note: I made this vote expecting it to lead to a hammer, so take equal responsibility for the hammer vote as the actual hammerer

[Nobody Special]

unvote

Vote: yessiree

[DoctorPepper]

Well whatever, I really think its Titus, but I guess no one listens.
I am willing to be proven wrong about yessirree, but I really, really think its Titus and Bob.

Also Titus's 553 is opportunistic as fuck. She says she doesnt want people to be lynched before the deadline (this is really not a scum tell), yet tells NS "If you think he is scum, hammer"
What was the purpose of explicitly stating he voted for you, like altering the quote? In 557.

[DoctorPepper]

Is no one going to comment before the thread gets locked up??

[Titus]

Also Titus's 553 is opportunistic as fuck. She says she doesnt want people to be lynched before the deadline (this is really not a scum tell), yet tells NS "If you think he is scum, hammer"
What was the purpose of explicitly stating he voted for you, like altering the quote? In 557.

Ok, this is several layers of wrong and deception.

1) Yessiree was at L-2 when I was telling NS to put his vote back if he thought Yessiree was scum.
2) If, at that time, NS puts his vote back, the hammer spot is back in the hands of town.
3) My post was clearly about telling NS that he should have his vote on his scum targets and calling him out for his sudden flop.
4) I altered the quote because I am used to playing with automated vote counters that sometimes count quoted posts as votes. However, it is not in the interests of anyone for me to change the message NS sent. So I edited it to say NS voted for me.

Also, NS by his stunt, got a game day that was several days shorter than it had to be. I haven't even seen CB. I would have liked his feedback on what was going on. If you look at NS, he is all about the pressure to shorten the days. Because everyone is required to post every 48 hours, days shouldn't end with 4 or 5 days still the deadline. Organized towns lead to scum losses.

As for Dr. Pepper, his behavior and relation to NS is consistent with him being the other scum. There is an outside chance Dr. Pepper is suffering frim major confirmation bias causing him to rapidly twist my posts.

JKM is the most protown of the remaining players. If anyone starts accusing him, I will suspect you as scum. He's painfully town.

Bacde is also town. He is running little risk gambits to try figure out who is scum. That is pro town.

Bob is scum if Yessiree flips scum. He was opportunistic and hypocritical in changing his vote to Dr. Pepper. When I call him on it, he vanishes. However, he would never vote Yessiree which suggests to me he is town if Yessiree is town, scum if Yes us scum. Given the fact I think Yessiree got railroaded, this puts Bob as town for now.

Let's try to organize tomorrow and keep the day long enough so all contribute.

[DoctorPepper]

Why is JKM most protown when he barely posted?

What gambits has Bacde pulled off? Why are you speaking for him.

Im not twisting your words and anyone with half a brain can see that. And ENDING THE DAY EARLY IS NOT A FRICKIN SCUM TELL

[yessiree]

I made myself a bait

and NS jumped on it

[Bicephalous Bob]

Bob is scum if Yessiree flips scum. He was opportunistic and hypocritical in changing his vote to Dr. Pepper.

Assuming you're talking about this:

Its ironic you call me out for faulty reasoning when your reasoning is illogical

as well

.

DP admits his reasoning is illogical.

I thought it'd be interesting to see how DoctorPepper reacts to his own type of accusations. (He doesn't.)

[DoctorPepper]

Well its because the accusation is bull.
Anyway yes, your dead now. Any last words, like who you think is scum?

[yessiree]

umm rope NS tomorrow

[DoctorPepper]

Titus, Im going to explain this for the last time. Ending the day early is not a scum tell if everyone agrees to it. Everyone agreeing to a hammer intent (like what I did a few days ago) is basically the town saying "Im fine with the day ending early". Now hammering without declaring intent AND cutting the day short is the scummy part.

Im saying this because you constantly mentioning this really, really, really looks like statements for town cred because I had to explain numerous times why this isnt scummy yet you stubbornly held on to your "ideology" that ending the day early is automatically bad.

But I want Titus first

[DoctorPepper]

I find it weird that you say that you were sure that I am scum before, but now you say its possible I just have confirmation bias.
Its opportunistic because while you claim (numerous times) that you dont want the day to end early, you also tell NS to put his vote back, when he intends to end the day early, hoping someone hammers. So youre subtly looking for the mislynch you pretty much confirmed while incriminating the people involved with the wagon. Sneaky

[Titus]

It is not always about quantity but quality. JKM's post have focused on finding scum and analyzing. While I don't agree with his refusal to share scum reads, his reason made sense. If his reason was bad, I would have reconsidered my opinion that JKM was town. I would hope he would step up and lead the town if I die tonight.

Bacde's gambit was putting Yessiree at L-1 and then seeing our reaction. I am not sure what his opinions are now that this has happened but I would love to hear his results.

Now you've just claimed anyone who disagrees with you is dumb without refuting any of my true points. You are playing to people's fear of looking dumb. Knock it off. I would say you need reassurance but your ego appears to be bigger than the thread.

I will always feel ending the day early is a scum tell.

[Titus]

As for the possible confirmation bias, I came to that after reflecting over orange juice this morning.

After all, you seem to have unconscious doubts about JKM's play not being worthy of town status. Yt, if Bob and I are scum together, then JKM must be town. Is JKM town solely through process of elimination Dr. Pepper?

Bob, I would like to see your scum reads and your timezone. The timing of your return is suspicious.

[DoctorPepper]

You just called him suspicious in post 522 for not posting his reads and all of a sudden he's town for posting his reads.
Also how sure are you thats what Bacde's "gambit" was? Why not let Bacde explain what he is doing. This is coming from a player who regularly accuses people of posting for the sake of others.

Thats it, Im done. Town, if you dont see it now, I may have to literally scream it. TITUS IS SCUM AND ITS REALLY OBVIOUS HER ONLY ATTACK ON ME IS THAT IM BEING ARROGANT, NOT THAT IM WRONG, BUT IM BEING ARROGANT. SHE NEVER SAID I WAS WRONG, SHE ONLY SAID "I AM REALLY OVERCONFIDENT", WHICH MEANS SHE KNOWS IM RIGHT CAUSE SHE NEVER DIRECTLY REFUTES ME, OR TELLS ME IM WRONG ABOUT HER.ALSO ITS IRONIC SHE TELLS ME I NEVER REFUTE ANY OF HER TRUE POINTS WHEN A. IVE DONE THAT THOUSANDS OF TIMES AND B. SHE NEVER ANSWERS MY POINTS. DONT MESS WITH THE TUNNELSNAKES. (Lol sorry Bacde, I hope you get the joke)

I am legitimately pissed

And now you suspect Bob after constantly saying he's town? Or null? Or scum with yes? What is it really?

Thats a dumb question, if two people are scum together, of course people are town by process of elimination. Also why specify you and Bob? Confirming scum status?

[Titus]

You just called him suspicious in post 522 for not posting his reads and all of a sudden he's town for posting his reads.
Also how sure are you thats what Bacde's "gambit" was? Why not let Bacde explain what he is doing. This is coming from a player who regularly accuses people of posting for the sake of others.

Thats it, Im done. Town, if you dont see it now, I may have to literally scream it. TITUS IS SCUM AND ITS REALLY OBVIOUS HER ONLY ATTACK ON ME IS THAT IM BEING ARROGANT, NOT THAT IM WRONG, BUT IM BEING ARROGANT. SHE NEVER SAID I WAS WRONG, SHE ONLY SAID "I AM REALLY OVERCONFIDENT", WHICH MEANS SHE KNOWS IM RIGHT CAUSE SHE NEVER DIRECTLY REFUTES ME, OR TELLS ME IM WRONG ABOUT HER.ALSO ITS IRONIC SHE TELLS ME I NEVER REFUTE ANY OF HER TRUE POINTS WHEN A. IVE DONE THAT THOUSANDS OF TIMES AND B. SHE NEVER ANSWERS MY POINTS. DONT MESS WITH THE TUNNELSNAKES. (Lol sorry Bacde, I hope you get the joke)

I am legitimately pissed

And now you suspect Bob after constantly saying he's town? Or null? Or scum with yes? What is it really?

Thats a dumb question, if two people are scum together, of course people are town by process of elimination. Also why specify you and Bob? Confirming scum status?

Paragraph 1 ) I was stating that JKM is cooperating. He refused to give his reads in a manner I suggested because he thought scum might shoot his town aligned targets. I'm not sure I agree with that, but the reasoning is principled. He's been open with what he thought but for that point. That's what my posts have said. He seems to be open with his thoughts but concerned with the welfare of others.

Paragraph 1b) Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the intent on his post. I quoted it and explained what I felt his intent was. I'm allowed to interpret posts of others to gain my own opinion on who is town and scum.

Paragraph 2) So basically, I don't talk like you I am scum. I've said your posts have been deceptive, illogical and a slew of other synonyms for wrong. Apparently, I am missing the magic wand of correct scum accusations. I quote and answer your points, in freaking line if I can. Unfortunately, your scum partner objects due to headaches (read being too clear).

Paragraph 3) I am confused about Bob's status. I always figured the Yessiree lynch would reveal Bob's town status. Yessiree appears to be town, and by extension, Bob did. Yet, Bob was doing some things that appeared suspicious and I called him out on that. I've never been clear on him, that's why he was a true neutral read.

Paragraph 4) I combined myself and Bob because you've constantly been on us as hypothetical scum. I wanted to see if you were even analyzing other players. Once you determined that I was your target, you totally ignored the other players. Town by process of elimination is BAD this early in the game. I feel JKM has earned a town label. There are others who have not.