Newbie 1393 Game Over

[Dessew]

Yay, discussion!

Smudger:

Whatever, I don't get it.

FI:

It's true that my 'debate' with notscience didn't have much content, otoh you've made a case based on it so it wasn't entirely pointless. I'm leaning town on you but I don't agree with yout case.

mvm

hasn't done anything yet, FI had already made a serious vote before he posted that he wasn't going to change his random vote because lol. He's on V/LA unfortunetaly but

FoS:mvm

because of lurking.

HC:

Your vote does seem to be sheeping. Please post your reads on the others because right now I have no idea about your alignment.

Z7-852:

You have been on V/LA on the weekend, I don't have any read on you yet.

notscience:

In #68 you call FI scum then #73 you give him town credit. Explain yourself! I'm not voting you because I can think of a validish answer but until then

IGMEOY

DDDP:

Oookay... Then my vote doesn't doing anywhere right now and you are going to do something funny anyway, I hope. But until then

IGMEOY

UNVOTE

Fu:

I don't really get this sheeping thing, notscience's reasons seem valid. What did you expect, anyway? You make HC place his vote and then if somebody makes a comment about it then he's sheeping? It's just strange.
VOTE: FuDuzn

[HopefullyCynical]

I didn't see that as FuDuzn calling me out for not placing a vote, I saw it as asking who I planned on voting for. Early on in the game I said I wasn't going to vote until I had a clearer idea of who I wanted to vote for. I felt I answered him by casting a vote for you.

You started the wagon on Danny (as you stated in your post) and since he is an IC, with little to no other information to go on other than he is an experienced player, that is a pretty good play in my eyes. But it also shows experience or at least some game theory under your belt. If anything, being the first on the DDP wagon further highlights that. Knowing those things and then asking about a no lynch day 1, which is traditionally a bad play, and you have my suspicions.

What do you define as "getting involved in stuff?" I'd say FuDuzn was posting content for asking why I hadn't placed a vote yet, and I feel I have posted content by speculating that the bandwagon on DDP could be a ruse to off him. Dessew was trying to get the ball rolling. Smudger weighed in on your and Dessew's debate and accused him of backtracking. What do you define as active?

I wasn't cemented in my vote by any means, but seeing you lash out and retaliate by voting for me definitely makes me suspicious.

Also, sorry for the noob questions, but what is SE, RVS and omgus'ing? Thank you for the clarifications!

[HopefullyCynical]

What is the difference between agreeing with someone and sheeping? I am legitimately curious.

Dessew, I feel like I can't give you an accurate read because I don't really have a lot at the moment. I feel like a lot of us are reaching for any reason, be it bad or good, to be able to claim that so-and-so is town or this person is scum, etc. This is only Day 1, we don't have much of anything to go on. The only real information we will be able to obtain outside of an obvious scum slip up is from a lynch. That is why notscience asking about a no lynch makes him suspicious to me.

If you really want reads, I like Feel It and Z7.

[Smudger]

still keeping my vote on smudget because people on dubai cant sleep together if they arent married!!!

they do though

[Smudger]

I am going to catch up and will post later today, yes my post above seems random, but it made me laugh that someone could be naive about what humans do here in Dubai. anyway I have quickly skimmed and have seen some points that I will definitely comment on. I will leave this one hanging though

Dessew, why so dismissive of my backtracking comment?

[notscience]

Okay so here I go

Dessew, I initially had him as scum because I was pissed off and it felt like chainsawing, but I went back and it was pretty pro-town.

SE- Idr what the acronym is but it's experienced people who are playing basically, kinda like the IC

RVS- Random Vote Stage, it was that initial part with all the wagons and such that you were reading into

OMGUS- Oh my god you suck, basically a reactionary vote either to a comment or a vote placed by another person

WIFOM- (ik you didnt ask but I have a feeling this will come up) Wine in front of me, basically circular logic. If you've ever seen the Princess Bride, remember when the guy was going on about which wine glass to chose and coming up with all these different things that effect location.

I've already explained my no-lynch question. We always have that handful from EM that believe NL'ing to be the meta, and when they answer with their approval of it, it helps to create discussion which ultimately was the goal of that question.

[HopefullyCynical]

notscience, thank you very much for the explanation of the acronyms! I was trying to puzzle them out in my head but they weren't really making much sense. I do love me some Princess Bride

Why the question format? Why not just say something like "no lynch sucks, so lets toss that right out the window?" If they protest, cue discussion which enlightens them. If not, carry on as usual. It seemed like you were hinting for a no lynch with the way you worded it. Is EM another mafia site or something?

[Smudger]

If you really want reads, I like Feel It and Z7.

you like , meaning you think they are town or scum?

[HopefullyCynical]

We almost fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: Never go for a no lynch on the first day! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[HopefullyCynical]

Sorry I was unclear Smudger, I feel like they are both town at the moment.

[Smudger]

In regards to activity correlating to alignment, just because someone posts frequently doesn't make them good or bad. In fact, someone who is town could post a lot of bad information and have that be potentially more dangerous to us in the long run.

in many respects what you are saying is true, but in my limited experience town players are less inhibited about what they post and how frequently as they have nothing to hide. where as scum do have something to hide and any slip would be jumped on mercilessly by more experienced players, and so they tend to keep their inputs low. IMO, which again is limited, A town player who posts badly is generally lynched because of that play and so the danger you speak of is limited but the impact is the loss of a town player.

I find it interesting that you would bring this up though?

[HopefullyCynical]

I only brought it up because many of the players were commenting that the more frequently you post or participate in discussions makes you more town. I just wanted to point that out is all.

Also notscience, in reviewing the posts I saw in your own answers to your questions you posted that you did not like a no lynch, so that is my bad on accusing you of going for the no lynch.

[HopefullyCynical]

To add on to my previous post, I agree Smudger. Scum have much more on the line when the post, so they need to consider that when they do post, and I definitely agree that their input will be more concise and they will post less. However, relying on generalities opens us up to mind games, since an experienced scumbag would see our discussion and post more frequently in an attempt to blend in.

Both of our lines of thought are valid, and it's up to us to figure out when the scumbags slip up.

[Dessew]

Smudger:

I said the same thing all the time, that posting helps town but it's not a towntell a) because scum has to post, too, not so as to be an obvious scumtell b) because of the wifom HC's last post is about. I have nothing else to say about it.

Btw, HC is probably town, he's too carefree to be scum. (Just look at the last two posts)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

1)Why
2)Are
3)You
4)Avoiding?

I’m terrified that telling you my time zone will out me as scum.

Z7-852 has been fairly active and been making good observations, already trying to assess and pick up early scum tells, seems the most townie to me so far.

Disagree, his posting has looked more like fluff than useful content.

DDP, can I get a clarification on a facet of your role as IC? If you die, are you no longer able to help the newbie players out?

If I’m dead the only people I’ll be speaking to are players in a Dead QT if we have one. However, RVS wagons almost never reach lynch so I doubt there was serious targeting of me by the players on my wagon.

What is the difference between agreeing with someone and sheeping? I am legitimately curious.

When your views align with mine you’re agreeing when they align with someone I disagree with you’re sheeping.

~~

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Z7-852
I feel the worst about him, he gets my vote.

[Feel It]

Sorry I fell asleep last night, if I missed any questions just ask me again.

[Smudger]

UNVOTE:

my RVS is still there, Feel It - your reappearence reminded me

[notscience]

I like questions more than just stating it.

Smudger, who is scum?

[HopefullyCynical]

When your views align with mine you’re agreeing when they align with someone I disagree with you’re sheeping.

I like that definition a lot

I hope Z7 comes back in here soon, I'd like to see his response to the DDP vote.

[HopefullyCynical]

I suck at forums, this won't be the first time I mess that up it's quoted from DDP if it was unclear.

[Dessew]

Disagree, his posting has looked more like fluff than useful content.

Last time Z7-852 posted, there wasn't much going so he couldn't provide much content.

Scummy move from

Feel It

to ask (#46) why we don't want to put people to L-1 in random voting phase. Might not be dangerous in other games but in newbie games a new player might hammer recardless of aliagment. This could mess up the whole game.

Scummometer (tm)
HopefullyCynical = Smudger = Feel It = Dessew = mvmafia = FuDuzn = Z7-852 = notscience = Debonair Danny DiPietro

This whole scummometer-thing seems to have a malfunction. He says that IF made a scummy move, yet he is just as scummy as everyone else. Maybe it's a typo or he just copy/pasted but it still bothers me a bit.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I hope Z7 comes back in here soon, I'd like to see his response to the DDP vote.

We'd probably get an even better response if you voted him as well.

Last time Z7-852 posted, there wasn't much going so he couldn't provide much content.

Very reasonable, you should probably vote for him as well for being so reasonable.

[Z7-852]

Early games are hard on me. It's difficult at least to find any scumslips and people don't really reach strongly unless wagon is L-1. And there is really little information to be get before flip but it is good to find interaction patterns.

I like how

HopefullyCynical

is looking risks (#63) in DDDP wagon. This at least tells that he is focusing in came and is useful for town. His logic have been quite solid and currently trust him as a town.

notsciences

case (#65) against HopefullyCynical seems little slim and far fetched. Nothing that would call for a vote so I would have say that this was a OMGUS-type of case. I don't see Feel it accusations (#67) about notscience not posting content. This game is just starting and any content could be useful. But i find the discussion about this quite illuminating and now I can picture better your individual play styles. Somehow his reactions (even if little extreme) were little town-like.

I don't really have any answer to

DDDP

vote (#89) on me. It's based on my play style and I don't really see it as a real reason for vote. But I have to agree that I have been little quite for a while. Will try to post more in the future. But the way he want's other to join (#96) on these bases is odd.

These past few pages have really gave me quite a bit of information and I have better reads on most of you people. mvmafia and DDDP are still little blurry due low activity but slowly I'am getting to the big picture.

Scummometer (tm)
HopefullyCynical < Smudger < Dessew < mvmafia < FuDuzn < notscience < Debonair Danny DiPietro < Feel It

[notscience]

Which side is the scum side

[Z7-852]

There really isn't clear line to be drawn where scum part begins in scumometer (tm) because there is no way of telling peoples alignments before slip. It just ranks people based on how scummy they seem to me. Notscience is a hard case for me because on the other hand he have shown some scumtells but on the other he have been acting like town.